Hillary will be a competent SoS and loyal team player

[cali]

that's my best guess. And the constant fretting and near hysteria about her by some here will continue unabated no matter what.

She's smart, organized and most decidedly a team player.

[lonestarnot]

1. Yes she will.

[Zombie2]

2. I hope you're right...

:nuke:

:cry:

[Zavulon]

3. I'm not sold and I don't approve of the appointment, but

I will wait to see how it plays out. Unless she goes on a campaign of stabbing Obama in the back, she can't be worse than what we've currently got.

[wyldwolf]

4. no sane person doubts she'll be competent and loyal..

... it's the prospect of a Clinton gaining power that induces the hysteria about her.

[Zombie2]

6. Why is she so hungry for POWER? n/t

[cali]

7. why is Obama so hungry for power?

He started running for prez after less than 2 years in the Senate?

[Beacool]

68. Yeah, she is just evil. Don't you know it?

I guess Obama with a resume as thin as a wafer was not ambitious when he thought that he was ready to be president. Oh, the delusions of his supporters...........

:7

[musicblind]

112. The people who are bashing Hillary as SOS are NOT Obama supporters and never were

they fooled themselves with their phone banking and donations to Obama... when really they were never supporters at all. They only support their obsessions against the Clintons and not Obama's platform.

[sufrommich]

11. Evil ambitious woman syndrome. nt

[PeaceNikki]

78. Oh, do tell us about this "Evil ambitious woman syndrome"

[sufrommich]

80. It's when one attributes "ambition" in a woman

as being evil.

[PeaceNikki]

81. Ah, sad how often that happens.

[sufrommich]

91. Yep, it sure is. nt

[mountainvue]

109. Kinda like the Salem witch trials...n/t

[Starry Messenger]

56. What? That doesn't even make sense.

She is not my favorite Dem, but I'm sure she is serious about wanting to serve her country. I doubt it has anything to do with her personal aggrandizement. Don't be silly.

[PeaceNikki]

88. A politician with ambition!??!

I'm shocked! :o

[Grateful for Hope]

8. Power?

Serving as she will "at the pleasure of the President", she will be in a subservient role. She will have the opportunity to advise, but, it is up to the President as to whether or not her advice is heeded.

If anything, while not synonymous with power, she would have more autonomy remaining in the Senate.

[wyldwolf]

9. um... yeah... power

In the United States federal government, "Secretary of State" uniquely refers to the official responsible for foreign policy.

[Grateful for Hope]

10. She is first and foremost

responsible to the President. She will be the spokesperson for HIS foreign policy.

[wyldwolf]

12. which is still more powerful than, oh.. say... one vote out of 100 in the Senate...

:)

Sorry. You may not like it, but she will be powerful.

[Grateful for Hope]

25. I have not indicated how I feel about it in this thread

Her power as SoS has nothing to do with it. As a NY'er, I would much prefer to see her remain in the Senate. We need her there fighting for our state. Decisions that may not seem powerful to you might indeed seem very powerful to the citizens of the State of NY.

That said, I, of course, would honor any decision our PE makes in regard to the SoS position.

However, I don't see that position as being as powerful as some would like to think -- at least in this new administration. In listening to Obama, what I hear from him is that he is striving to staff his administration with knowledge and expertise. In addition, I also hear from him that, while his cabinet will be a very strong and powerful one, in the end, he will be the true decision maker. In other words, just how influential any one cabinet member will be will depend on Obama.

Since Obama seems to be selecting a very diverse group of people, each important decision will, in all likelihood, be made as a result of listening to input from a variety of viewpoints, and, I doubt that any one individual will be granted the authority to shape policy without this input and consideration.

This will be a refreshing change from the last eight years, where Bush appeared to only superficially involve himself with day-to-day decisions, preferring instead to leave the real decision making to his subordinates (Cheney, anyone?).

In contrast, Obama will, I believe, "micro manage", and, considering the shape our country is in, this, IMO, is a very, very good thing.

[wyldwolf]

26. "I don't see that position as being as powerful as some would like to think "

The power the office has isn't subjective and it isn't open to interpretation. It's the most powerful cabinet-level position, the one person in the world representing the most powerful country in the world on a global stage. 4th in line to the Presidency.

The attempt by some here, at Kos, and other places to somehow downplay the power and importance of the position is funny.

[Grateful for Hope]

31. All this talk of power

It appears that some are attempting to inflate what the SoS position will mean for her.

In the end, she is serving at the "Pleasure of the President". Remember this.

Funny, but, when I think back on the last eight years, Condi Rice does not stand out to me as one of the most powerful and influential in that administration, despite her latest tenure as SoS.

Conversely, Cheney has served in what has traditionally been largely a figure-head position as perhaps the most powerful person in that administration.

What this says is that it is the president who sets the tone for the relative importance of the postions of his or her subordinates.

And, I maintain that Obama will not permit any one person to have an inordinate amount of power in his administration regardless of the wishes of those who wanted Hillary as president.

[sufrommich]

37. For weeks,those of us who have defended Clinton from

attacks that she would "go rogue" in the White House and work to undermine Obama have argued that that theory was pure bunk.That came from her detractors,not her supporters.Most of us argued that she would obviously carry out the policies of the president.Now the argument is that we "wished" for more? When?

[Grateful for Hope]

44. I have never been a "detractor"

and I never gotten involved in any of the "wars" here or elsewhere in regard to Hillary.

I am simply stating what I believe I am seeing and responding to it.

I do see that for whatever reason, response to Hillary tends to be polarized. I don't know why this is so. And, unfortunately, the feelings here tend to be either extremely negative or extremely postive -- with no middle ground. I get the impression that both sides tend to project what they believe about her onto the person named "Hillary Clinton".

What I see is that she is a highly competent woman, who has done an excellent job in the Senate and who has raised a wonderful daughter, and, I am sure she will (if chosen) make an excellent SoS. As I mentioned, however, I would like to see her remain in the Senate for selfish reasons.

Now the argument is that we "wished" for more? When?

.

It is the emphasis on "power" that I see in many of the reactions to the potential of Hillary as SoS that suggests to me that perhaps some would like her to have a great deal of power in Obama's administration -- possibly commensurate with his own. In fact, this is why I initially responded to your post. I think emphasis should be placed on her competency and ability to be a team player -- and not on how much power she will have.

Perhaps the emphasis should also be placed on the potential power of the administration as a whole with not only the addition of Hillary, but also with the addition of the other highly competent people Obama is selecting.

Unfortunately, what I see is the tendency to emphasize the perceived power of one individual within what I think will be an awesome administration.

I think this tendency does nothing but invite negativity given the polarized reactions to Hillary.

[stillcool]

33. The Secretary of State can be..

completely shut out of the loop... have a title with no significance...like George Schultz. The power of the position comes from the President.

[wyldwolf]

41. it can be... but so can ANY cabinet level office... there's really no relevance in your point unless

...you think Obama will do that, which there is no indication he will.

:shrug:

[stillcool]

47. I think to presume..

that any cabinet member will have extraordinary power has no relevance either.

[wyldwolf]

51. the office of SOS DOES have extraordinary power

NO ONE here is claiming Clinton will have more than normal, but plenty here are trying to diminish the office simply because Clinton will hold it.

[stillcool]

119. I think the problem is..

that many have posted that Hillary Clinton, as the Secretary of State, will somehow have extraordinary power and overshadow, or influence the Presidency. There is lots of animosity following this election, and rather than see the position for what it is, no more/no less.. people on both sides of the Clinton/Obama fence are exasperating the appointment. No other cabinet position has created so much nonsense.

[Zombie2]

13. Scary!

She supported the bombing and occupation of innocent Iraqis.

[cali]

14. So did John Edwards and John Kerry

It was not a good vote whoever cast it, but important as it was, it's not the only thing that defines her.

[Zombie2]

20. It's important to know when thinking about her being....

SoS.

That's why I didn't vote for Edwards... and I've lost much respect for Kerry after his uber early concession speech in '04.

[karynnj]

30. It was the second slowest in history

The Democratic team that told Gore to take back his concession told Kerry there was NO case to be made - and there is still not a case that could have been used now.

[Zombie2]

35. Diebold?

[karynnj]

42. There were no Diebold machines in Ohio

There may some day be genuine evidence that there was machine fraud - even before 2004, there was proof that you could steal an election with the machines - but, it is still not proven it happened.

[MoonRiver]

86. Well, I guess you just can't have everything your little heart desires.

:eyes:

[mountainvue]

110. Someone needs to start a Utopian Party. n/t

[wyldwolf]

16. so did Vice President Biden ... oooh, scary!

[Zombie2]

21. Actually...

it IS scary!

[wyldwolf]

23. ...and, wouldn't ya know it...

... by voting exactly like Hillary on the war after he got to the senate, so did Obama! Ooooh, scary!

[Zombie2]

34. All this seems to make you happy...

:puke:

BTW... Obama had the courage to speak out against the war, very early on.

[wyldwolf]

40. no, what makes me happy...

... is watching people talk themselves into corners.

BTW... Obama spoke out against the war from a state senate seat in a safe blue district and then only to impress a powerful donor. That explains why he later said he didn't know how he would have voted had he been in the Senate, and his line of thinking on the war was close to Bush's.

[Zombie2]

43. What a shame!

I wouldn't go bragging about that too much on here.

Is that why you voted for Obama?

[wyldwolf]

46. It is quite humorous

and I voted for Obama because he is a Democrat.

[mountainvue]

111. But he never had to actually vote on it. n/t

[Beacool]

70. Yeah, they have amnesia when it comes to that.

Obama voted parallel to Hillary dozens of times. Their voting record is very similar.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

39. She also supports obliterating Iran

Kyl Lieberman. Her foreign policy is hawkish and scary. That is why I think she is a piss poor choice for SOS. Not because she is a Clinton or she is a power mad woman etc. Notice that every prominent Republican interviewed thinks she is a great choice. That doesn't worry the shit out of you?

[Beacool]

71. If Iran attacks Israel with nuclear weapons,

then they can expect to be attacked in return. It's very simple.

:shrug:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

107. That wasn't the premise of the question Olbermann asked

He asked if Iran attacks Israel what should be the US response. Nothing was asked about nuclear weapons. Clinton took it upon herself to say they should be obliterated.

[MyNameGoesHere]

122. So no outrage about Biden? Here just a reminder for you. Or the rest of the "SCARY" people

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---77
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Santorum (R-PA)
Schumer (D-NY)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

[watrwefitinfor]

19. And third in the line of succession. n/t

[Shiver]

24. Fifth, actually

1. President
2. Vice-President
3. Speaker of the House
4. President pro tempore of the Senate
5. Secretary of State

.... and so forth

[wyldwolf]

27. FOURTH actually

The president is not in line to become president.

[Shiver]

32. That's right, my mistake

I always make the error of counting the president first for some reason.

[onenote]

60. bit of historical trivia

cabinet posts were added to the presidential succession list in 1886. The order, which put the Secretary of State ahead of all other cabinet posts, was based simply on the order in which the cabinet positions had been created. THere is one exception to that in the current law -- the Secretary of Defense is after the Secretary of the Treasury even though the Defense Department wasn't created until 1947. However, the principle remains the same since the Secy of Defense occupies the spot in the succession line previously occupied by the Secy of War (a position abolished with the creation of the Defense Department).

[onenote]

53. the Secretary of State has limited actual "power"

Under the Constitution, Executive Power is vested in the President. The President can delegate tasks to other officials, such as the Secy of State, but the ultimate "responsibility" rests with the President. It is the President, not the Secretary of State, that constitutionally is authorized to make treaties (with the advice and consent of the Senate) and to appoint ambassadors.

That being said, I have no doubt that Obama will look to Clinton to be an active Secretary of State in the model of Madeline Albright.

[wyldwolf]

61. ok, then, only the president has power, everyone else is just a figure head

[onenote]

62. Not what I said.

Maybe you posted before you saw my edited post. My point is merely that the SofS has only such "power" as the president allows,and even then, the president is constitutionally limited in delegating some power to the SofS. That being said, however, I have every reason to expect (and no reason to fear) that Obama will allow Clinton to function as an active SofS, in the model of Albright.

[bvar22]

76. Hillary will be giving up POWER to become a subordinate in the Obama administration.

I'm surprised that she is giving up the independence and power of her Senate seat to become a messenger for Obama. :shrug:

[leftstreet]

90. It makes no sense. She'll end up on talk shows and writing books

Just like Albright.

I don't get it.

:shrug:

[Mojorabbit]

120. I am sane

and I don't know that she will be competent. She isn't the best choice in my opinion as far as experience in foreign affairs. There are people that are much much more qualified than she is.I hope she will do a good job. Nothing I can do about her pick. I wish she was working on health care where I think she does have some experience. When it has to do with negotiations that can end up making the difference between war and peace I would like the very very best qualified person for the job. But that is in my world not the real political world.

[sufrommich]

5. Of course she will.She'll be a great SOS. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. First bad move by Obama-Gates was 2nd-but now let's give her a chance.

[ginnyinWI]

17. grumble grumble grumble....oh I guess so----

Hopefully her public personna is far worse than the reality of who she really is. But the campaign she waged last Spring really made her look bad, and she didn't need the media to do that for her. The words that came out of her mouth still ring loudly in my mind. Why did she have to be so divisive and say those destructive things? Old Politics at its worst.

Apparently Obama is willing to forgive and forget for the sake of the vision he has for the new administration. I'll try to give her a fair chance. Some sort of apology would be nice, but I'm not expecting any.

[karynnj]

38. I think she will be good - as long as the Clinton interest is the same as the country's or Obama's

The bad side of Hillary showed only when the good of the country and the good of the Clintons went in the opposite decision.

Bill Clinton, in particular, seemed motivated by improving his legacy - the best way they do that now is to work in conjunction with Obama.

There is a difference between the Clintons being both competent and able to do good things and the Clintons being good people. The former is more important here - and they may be competent and able. As people, they have some major character flaws.

[dkf]

18. Her background on foreign policy is still lacking.

I will be disappointed if Obama picks her. It will be my first indication that he is more interested in the political than in picking excellence.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. No.

She will be outstanding.

[babylonsister]

28. Yes, she will. No problems here. nt

[TexasObserver]

29. Agreed.

[atimetocome]

36. Of course she will.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

45. Exactly right. n/t

[ProSense]

48. Interesting:

Bill Clinton's role

[bridgit]

49. Misleading:

At your link provided the tag doesn't say: "Bill Clinton's role", it says: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/lugar-praises-obamas-national-security-team-2008-11-30.html">Lugar praises Obama’s national security team

[ProSense]

50. BS, no one said it was the title of the article. From the article:

Democratic Sen. Jack Reed (R.I.), who also appeared on the program, said Obama is about to name “a superb group of people.”

Lugar said he would vote to confirm Clinton, even though he acknowledged that questions could be raised about the dealings of her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

“I think that the wide-ranging activities of President Clinton are very substantial on this earth. They will continue to be,” Lugar stated, adding, “I don’t know how, given all of our ethics standards now, anyone quite measures up to this who has such cosmic ties. But I think the Obama campaign people have done a good job in trying to pin down the most important elements, and at this point hopefully this team of rivals will work.”

Reed said that he expects both Clintons “will be very judicious in what they take on.”

Both senators agreed that Bill Clinton could still serve as a mediator or U.S. emissary in the international arena.

Reed said that it is “entirely likely” that the former president could be dispatched to India and Pakistan to smooth over tensions there following the terrorist attack in Mumbai. Clinton has garnered a lot of good will in the area after leaving office because of his work there following the devastating tsunami.

Lugar added that Bill Clinton “could do a great job there,” adding, “And for that matter, in lots of places.”

From the transcript of Reed's appearance:

REED: Well, I think this arrangement sets up a framework of transparency and disclosure. And I think that’s a significant and important aspect of the confirmation process for Mrs. Clinton, Senator Clinton.

As it goes forward, I think, though, I think the presumption will be that both the Secretary of State Clinton and president, former President Clinton will be very judicious in what they take on, because there’s a new dimension here. The secretary of state and the former president are married, and I think that’s going to set the standard.

But I think they’ve put up a good framework. This disclosure, this transparency is the right way to go.

STEPHANOPOULOS: How about in the question of the mediation? Does -- if, for example, and President-elect Obama did talk about this in the campaign -- having perhaps President Clinton serve as a mediator between India and Pakistan over Kashmir. There would not necessarily be a conflict there if he chose to have President Clinton do that. But you’re smiling. You don’t thing it is likely anymore?

REED: No, I think it’s entirely likely. And I don’t think there will be a conflict. And I think also, in terms of specific assignment, that, to your question, George, what more can be done? Well, in that context, there might be some arrangements that should be disclosed, some additional self-imposed restrictions that the president would take. But in the context of a specific mission from President Obama, I think that’s where these judgments could be made.

I think he would be a superb addition to our international diplomacy.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you agree with that on India and Pakistan, as a mediator, President Clinton?

LUGAR: Yes, I think he could do a great job there. And for that matter, in lots of places.

But, as I say, this is an unprecedented situation historically.

[bridgit]

54. No, not BS, obfuscation; to read a couple hundred words and only pull from them...

the name and possible-be activities of Bill Clinton is a form of myopia

[ProSense]

57. It was an observation. The link to the article is there so your obfuscation charge is BS.

The information upon which the observation was made comes directly from the article, and the context is specific.

[bridgit]

74. Um hm, I do think it's time to move on. Obama is being said to be edgy and unable...

to deal with the protracted questioning the post primary & election cycle is offering him (you may-should have been switching back & forth between Reliable Sources cause that's where that was). The world is coming undone, the world needs answers. Regardless of who's on his state-team he needs to roll them out and pronto. This world is bleeding out. And the consistent, non-stop wrangling over what the Clinton's do, did, will do, might do, context or no; is healing no wounds.

[Metric System]

52. Thank you for the kind words, Cali. I kind of wish she'd stay in the Senate but at the same time I

think it's cool to see her working for Obama's administration.

[Beacool]

73. Me too, I wanted her to stay in the senate.

I didn't want her to be in his cabinet. In the senate she's her own person and has her own power base. But, the decision is hers to make. I just hope that she made the right decision.

;-)

[IndianaGreen]

55. I'll bet you a cyber beer that she won't last 6 months without a tiff with Obama

and no leaks from her office taking pot shots at Obama's policies.

[JVS]

58. Do you think she will get herself fired?

[Zombie2]

59. OH.... there will be pleanty of leaks

and I give it less than 6 months. I say 2.

[sufrommich]

63. She'll carry out the president's foreign policy professionally

and without rancor.Much to the annoyance of many here.

[IndianaGreen]

64. Do we have a bet?

:beer:

[sufrommich]

67. Sure. nt

[TahitiNut]

66. She'll be Melodrama Central

Without a doubt. The media houseflies will be thick around her.

[Grateful for Hope]

69. What I think

Is that she will have had to agree to be a team player before Obama made his final decision. So, I don't think she would last very long in the administration if she behaved otherwise.

Hopefully, the good of the administration and our country will be what is most important to her. I think this will be the case.

[IndianaGreen]

114. The Clintons are notorious for breaking promises

as LGBT community learned the hard way.

[Beacool]

65. The woman would have been a good president,

of course she can handle the SOS job. Those on the left who are not happy about it will just have to live with it.

:eyes:

[Kdillard]

72. I agree with your assessment and I wish people would actually let

her be confirmed and in the job before all the attacks start in.

[Hanse]

75. I'm sure she'll be SoS as competently as she ran her campaign.

[bridgit]

77. Oh man! I knew we should have kept a bag of super delegates around somewhere...

[bvar22]

98. LOL!

Nominated for a DUzy!

[AtomicKitten]

79. No worries. If she acts up, she's gone. Obama is in charge.

[mtnsnake]

84. If she acts up? How is she going to act up and why would she?

Just wondering what you mean.

[AtomicKitten]

89. she is a conduit for Obama's policy and will follow his directives

If for some reason there is a problem carrying out his directives, she is eminently fire-able.

[PeaceNikki]

92. She's a lady. With ambition and opinions. We have a tendency to "act up", ya know?

:crazy:

[AtomicKitten]

93. Obama doesn't want her going all mavericky on him.

[PeaceNikki]

94. He told you that?

[AtomicKitten]

95. straightforward answer = accuse and deflect, rinse and repeat

you go, girl

[PeaceNikki]

97. I am curious where you got your information. Is this a concern that he voiced to you?

[AtomicKitten]

100. Is common sense too complex to wrap your mind around?

[PeaceNikki]

103. OOo.... snotty, huh?

[sufrommich]

96. Obama wants her as SOS,that's a fact.

Your comment is merely fiction from the inside of your head.

[AtomicKitten]

99. I'm certain Obama doesn't want any cabinet appointee to go mavericky.

common sense straightforward answer ---> deflect and accuse, rinse a repeat

[terrya]

102. How in the world can you possibly know for "certain" what the President-Elect wants or doesn't want?

A REAL close adviser to the next President, are you? :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

104. you keyboard warriors have a great day - I'm taking the dog to the beach

edited to avoid another trip down the rabbit hole ... next you'll be requiring a link to prove it's common sense for Obama to want order in his administration which you will then summarily shoot down .... rinse and repeat

[PeaceNikki]

105. And another snotty reply. Are you trying to win some "snot off" contest?

I think you're winning...

Nice edit. Terry, here was the unedited reply:

" another person that finds common sense too difficult to wrap their head around"

[terrya]

106. Oh, darn!

I missed a chance to be instructed about "common sense" again by people who clearly don't know what they're talking about! That's always a real treat. :eyes:

[MoonRiver]

82. Thank you cali.

It's so nice to see a reasonable and rational post about Hillary.

[dkf]

83. You do realize you are damning her with faint praise right?

Your summary sounds as enthusiastic as Hillary's encomiums for Obama.

[terrya]

85. I absolutely agree. Recommended.

[mtnsnake]

87. Your closing sentence summed it up perfectly

Hillary is competent, and not only is she competent, but she's loyal. If she gets the job, I think she'll be fantastic at it, and I think she's going to do her part in making the world a better place. She'll be working for Obama, for us, and in everyone's best interests.

[AlCzervik]

101. i think it's a good for her, i have no doubt she will be well received.

She also has a legacy to think about and being a successful sos would a great thing for her. As for people that are worried about Bill, i'm not, she's her own person.

[mountainvue]

108. Agreed. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

113. I have to agree. I think it's a smart choice, I think he's assembling a solid cabinet

and I'm really confused by some of the hand-wringing I see here about, for instance, Hillary as SoS.

[JTFrog]

115. Who's team was she playing on when she voted for IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, and said OBLITERATE IRAN?

Just curious.

:shrug:

SHE VOTED NO ON BANNING CLUSTER BOMBS FFS!

So much fucking diplomacy I can hardly stand it.

[leftstreet]

116. Military Industrial Congressional Complex

nuff said

[Radical Activist]

117. I'll believe the "loyal team player" part when I see it.

But I'm sure she'll be reasonably competent in the job.

[CakeGrrl]

118. "Most decidedly a team player"? Not that I've seen, but only time will tell

I hope for Obama's sake that his cabinet decisions pay the dividends this country needs to get back on track.

[wyldwolf]

121. You've been living in a cave, then.

[Zombie2]

123. Did you just call him/her a terrorist???

Why go out of your way to be rude to her/him? He/She was just giving her/his opinion.

[wyldwolf]

124. ha ha.. Not even a nice try

Don't be silly.

[Zombie2]

125. haha... I'm sure it made you smile though.

:hi: