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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:08 AM Original message |
Why Don't You Just Admit Gays Are the Most Expendable Group In Obama's Coalition? |
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terrya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. I agree. |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
68. Coalition? You mean Obama doesn't have core values? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. Because religious nonbelievers are the most expendable. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. What is a religious nonbeliever? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I am assuming it means non-believers in religion, which echoes my point. NT |
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AtomTan (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Atheists. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Thank you for the explanation. I'm a gay atheist. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #9 |
57. is that a Gaythiest? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
25. I voted for Jim Neal in the primary too |
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HillWilliam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
64. For the same reason I voted for Neal |
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AtomTan (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #64 |
81. His positions were the best. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
83. Yeah, we're right up there as well. nt |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. One you doesn't believe in religion. |
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alwysdrunk (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Yeah, athesits are the bottom of the totem pole - the part in the ground |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
4. At least the GLBT part of me is IN the coalition. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
79. While simultaneously freaking out |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Yes, it really is a marvel. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. As a big gay atheist, I'm not at a loss for civil rights because of my atheism. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. As a big bi atheist (literally) are you sure? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I'm certain. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Yeah because atheists have won so many cases on constitutionality |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Those aren't ATHEIST cases. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. so a gay marriage case on 10th/14th amendment grounds |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Because "in god we trust" isn't about equal treatment for atheists. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
84. >>And I am certain that I have not one lesser civil right as an atheist. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 01:27 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. As I said above, that is a societal, not legal, problem, therefore not a civil rights matter. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I dunno. Here's how I see it - |
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JohnnieGordon (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Gay rights is about a helluva lot more than gay marriage |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I know, but it's the biggest DIFFERENCE |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:00 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Tough shit junior |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #33 |
59. wow, +2 internet points for owning. |
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alwysdrunk (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Who's the one? |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Pete Stark. NT |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
12. Oh come on! |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Let's stop the rationalizations please. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. What you call rationalization I call reality. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Then be honest about it and stop pretending we're not expendable to Obama. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
36. Please don't dismiss my opinion. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Which specific opinion of yours do you think I dismissed? |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I don't think you've heard my opinion |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. If I haven't heard it how could I dismiss it? |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Now we're playing mind games. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. To the contrary: You seemed to decide I was accusing you of something. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #46 |
56. You did. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I didn't respond to any opinion of yours. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
73. But you responded to this post: |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I didn't read your links and wasn't responding to any particular post of YOURS. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Damn you're fast! lol |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I'm going to suggest there was a miscommunication. |
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Political Tiger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Okay. n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #74 |
86. Actually, you did. It may have been an accident, but you did respond to that exact post. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Why cannot what you call rationalizations |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. They call him a moderate, which is bullshit, and you should know that by now. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. He is NOT a moderate on GLBT issues |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. And, your point? You know, we could find other Pastors or Ministers that aren't... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. That IS a rationalization. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. So to NOT have rationalizations |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. No. To not have rationalizations you need to be honest. |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
55. These are straw men, you set 'em up then you knock 'em down. |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
17. Realistically, any group not in sufficient numbers to sway electoral votes - |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Thank you. I appreciate it. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
44. It's a stupid calculation |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Well there's the thing - the DNC lovs gay $ and gay votes, but doesn't love to |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Yeah well |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
41. Actually there are probably 6 million voting gays in this country |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
24. The most expendable group are clearly the Inuit |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
48. He wasn't elected to be our proxy in theological discourse with fundys |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #48 |
62. actually, Hillary was the fighter |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
50. Flamebait. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. What on earth about it is flamebait? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Pointing out truth cannot be flamebait, unless you don't like the truth exposed. n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
53. This topic reminds me of an old joke about life in the Soviet Union |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
54. To a Democratic presidential candidate, GLBT are expendable - but that does not make it right |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #54 |
67. "Obama seeks gay help in battleground states " That was then |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
58. Noo.. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:38 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. And you think, by finding "Common ground" they will stop fighting against equal rights? |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. its exactly what i think |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Whats ridiculous is not admitting that asking a bigot to come and honor the PE |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. i guess youll just have to be mad about it |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. We will continue to fight for civil rights - with or without so called friends. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #72 |
78. i imagine they will continue to "fight" as well |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. The election is never over. NT |
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bluedawg12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #58 |
71. Civil rights laws are not passed by honoring bigots. |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
82. Ahh.. |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
66. I like Obama |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-19-08 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
85. That's exactly how it seems, eh? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-20-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
87. Warren also says you are a sick fuck that needs to be "cured" of your homosexuality |
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