If Caroline had endorsed Hillary, would you still be up for her being appointed as Senator of NY?

[mtnsnake]

For the people who are mostly supporters of one, but not the other (Barack or Hillary), if Caroline had endorsed Hillary in the Primaries, would your feelings change about her seeking the Senatorial appointment or would your feelings remain the same as they are now?

[yourguide]

1. Yes, either way I like caroline.

[mtnsnake]

10. Same here. My feelings would remain the same aobut her as far as the senatorial appt

and I supported Hillary over Barack, but just in the primaries. I always liked both Hillary and Barack, so for me it wouldn't have made a difference.

[Jennicut]

26. Always liked her, would not change a thing

[sandnsea]

2. I supported Barack

I LOVE Carolina. She's definitely in the top 5 of people I'd like to meet.

I do not see any reason she should be appointed Senator over people who have dedicated their lives to public service and are adept at the legislative process.

The ONLY asset she has that I might consider if I were governor is that I believe she is honest to the core and that would be quite refreshing to have in the Senate.

[Marrah_G]

3. Exactly the same

[Warren Stupidity]

4. yes of course

[elocs]

5. I'll be honest. As long as it's a Democrat I really do not care who is appointed Senator of NY. n/t

[onenote]

6. I supported Obama and I support Caroline getting the appointment

but I'd support her even if she had endorsed Hillary. My support is based on the fact that she is more likely to have an impact as an appointed senator in two years than anyone else. Most new senators have little political capital with which to horsetrade and get support for their agenda. Caroline has it because other senators will want to cultivate a relationship with her because her endorsement and support will mean something more than that of any other potential new senator.

[mtnsnake]

8. but you didn't answer the question

If Caroline had endorsed Hillary in the primaries isntead of Obama, would you still endorse her getting the senatorial appointment?

[onenote]

9. see my edited response. hit send sooner than I intended

[mtnsnake]

11. Cool

thanks

[mod mom]

7. I would like her, BUT as she stayed out of the endorsing business, she would have NEVER

endorsed a corporatist politician. She definitely saw something special in President Obama!

[Captain Hilts]

16. She endoresed Clinton, Gore and also campaigned for Kerry alongside ChelseaC and the Kerry girls. nt

[karynnj]

19. She also endorsed Kerry and appeared with him at a rally

where in addition to more serious comments - she spoke of having bicycled to volunteer for his 1972 campaign when she was 15. Both she and her brother supported him.

[Captain Hilts]

21. She, Chelsea and the Kerry daughters traipsed all through Florida in '04. nt

[karynnj]

32. I know that ,and didn't contradict it - just added what I thought

was an interesting fact, because it did show some involvement in a non-Kennedy campaign decades ago. one similarity was that 1972 with McGovern and Kerry in the congressional race was similar in some ways to the times we are in now.

[mod mom]

20. WaPo begs to differ with you:

Caroline Kennedy has endorsed Sen. Barack Obama in a Sunday op-ed in the New York Times, the first time she has weighed in on a presidential race since her uncle, Sen. Edward Kennedy, sought the White House in 1980.

-snip
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/26/caroline_kennedy_endorses_obam.html

[bottomtheweaver]

25. I remember reading that, but she clearly endorsed Kerry and Gore

(if I recall correctly) when she spoke at their nominating conventions in '04 and '00, so I don't think it's completely accurate.

[karynnj]

37. They may have meant in a primary - or the writer is simply wrong

She was at this rally with Kerry- http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/10/22/women.voters/index.html (Better yet, here is an, at the time DU post - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1140176&mesg_id=1148867 )

[Mass]

29. She never endorsed somebody in the primary. I think this is the point.\nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

12. Honestly, I thought Bobby Jr was going to be the Kennedy getting this Senate seat

which is why I figured he endorsed Hillary in the primary (unlike the rest of the family)

And I would have been fine with Bobby as a Senator, even though I'm not crazy about Hillary as SOS.

[HeraldSquare212]

13. I supported Obama, and I'm opposed to her appointment.

[Lucky 13]

14. Well I'm ok with Hillary as SoS. Does that tell you where I'm coming from?

Look, it wasn't Obama supporters that turned vitriolic on politicians endorsing other candidates. When people endorsed Hillary over Barack, we were disappointed, but recognized they were still good Democrats and respected them. They weren't attacked or shunned.

When people endorsed Barack over Hillary, those poor people were slandered mercilessly! Can you name one person that was torn apart by Obama supporters for endorsing Hillary? I can't. Can you name one person that was torn apart by Hillary supporters for endorsing Obama? I can name MANY: Richardson, Edwards, Ted Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy, John Kerry, Jimmy Carter, and on and on and on. It was merciless and childish and hurt the party.

I make up my own mind about things and don't let others tell me what to think. I recognize that people can have a difference of opinion but still be on the same team. I like Caroline Kennedy. Always have. I support her for the Senate seat and would have no matter who she supported.

The fact that she supported Barack openly from the start certainly endears her to me a little more, but any Democrat that supported Hillary would receive my support in any future races or potential appointments. A few of my absolute favorites:

Sen. Barbara Mikulski and Gov. Martin O'Malley. LOVE THEM.
Gen. Wes Clark
Mayor Gavin Newsome

I can't think of a single person who I WOULDN'T support simply by virtue of them previously supporting Hillary Clinton. All that is over now! If I don't like someone, there's typically a number of reasons why - none of them having anything to do with Hillary.

[Captain Hilts]

15. Either way, I like her and hope she gets the seat - fair and square through a primary election. nt

[bottomtheweaver]

17. Oh sure. If Bobby was up for it I'd be rooting for him too.

In fact I'm hoping Caroline can help Bobby get into government because he's facing a lot of very stiff opposition, even stiffer than hers.

[paulk]

18. no.

and I wasn't too keen on the idea of Hillary running for the NY Senate seat in 2000, either.

She did well, however, proving me wrong - and her knowledge of and willingness to learn about upstate issues, a rarity among NY Senators, is one of the main reasons I supported her in her run for the White House.

Kennedy is different - if she wants to run for the seat - more power to her - but to give this person priority because of her last name (and that is what is going on, imo) is galling to me. It smacks of dynasty and privilage - two things I have always believed our country was founded to be free of.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. If Hillary had been elected President and picked Rick Warren to do the invocation

Would your feelings about that issue be any different than they are now?

[mtnsnake]

24. My feelings about ANYONE praying at a political function remain the same as always

There is no place for it, and there is ESPECIALLY no place for a bigoted fuckwad like Warren within a hundred miles of any Democratic inauguration, period.

Having said that, Hillary did NOT pick Warren. Obama did, so enough with your hyperbole or strawman or whatever. Obviously, you were too afraid to answer the question truthfully, so you decided to attempt that age-old feeble ploy of turning the tables. Next time, either stick to the subject or start your own thread if you want to ask different questions. Was I of any help? :)

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. Your whole OP was a hypothetical strawman.

With a very obvious assumption as its premise. You don't want an answer to it because you've already made up your mind.

[mtnsnake]

28. Good point!

:evilgrin:

[azmouse]

23. If Caroline had supported Hillary I would be even more in favor

of her getting Hillary's senate seat. It would seem very natural.
The fact that Caroline supported Obama makes her wanting Hillary's seat seem a little... odd?

[Mass]

30. The same. I do not think she should be named (and was an Obama supporter)

Nobody seems to know where she stands on most issues (except she is a Democrat. Between Ben Nelson and her uncle/Feingold/Boxer on the other, there is a wide margin) and she is not in a hurry to answer these questions. Do the people of the state of New York deserve an answer to this question at least before she becomes senator. Now, if she wants to run in 2010 and defend her position, fine, but before that, somebody else should be named.

[kiva]

31. Are you only interested in replies from people who

support Caroline for the seat? Not being snarky, just wondering since some OPs only want feedback from people with a particular point of view.

[mtnsnake]

40. Actually, no

Just wondering if your position about Caroline's appointment would have been different depending on if she had endorsed Hillary instead of Barack. It's entirely a curiosity thing.

[book_worm]

33. Yes, and it seems to me that some of the more vocal opponents supported Hillary in the primary.

[BeyondGeography]

34. I'm not enthusiastic either way, but I am glad Valiquette had a good game the other night

Henrik is only human, you know.

[demokatgurrl]

35. Either way I am NOT up for it

she had no interest in politics, it never occurred to her to see ELECTION but now she sees a chance to bypass the election process. I prefer to see someone who as at least been elected to congress, or state office, or even for chrissakes a NEW YORK CITY office- someone who's been tested a bit.
Because we want the person to win re-election and keep the seat Democratic. She could stink, we have no way of knowing. The only time I've ever heard her speak at ALL was during the Obama campaign.

[Beacool]

36. No. Ditto for Chelsea (if she was of age).

I'm against anyone who never ran for office in their own right being appointed to one of the top elected positions in the country. The US senate is NOT the House of Lords. If Caroline, Chelsea or any other presidential child wants to run for the senate, then let them do it the old fashion way: let them be VOTED into office.

:shrug:

[Egnever]

38. Absolutely

I love her. The woman screams compassion and grounded to me every time I see her. I might have questioned her judgment a bit more had she endorsed Hillary but I doubt I would feel any thing but delight at her being in the senate.

[pot luck]

39. Yes.

My support for her has nothing to do with either Barack or Hillary.