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Fri Dec-19-08 04:04 PM
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Did any of your trashing O note that his labor secretary stated one of her goal is to fight for gay |
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rights in the workplace?????? Gee, what other president in our history has ever added that to his agenda for governance???
My God... its a ONE minute PRAYER!!! Get a grip!!!
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:05 PM
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1. Then maybe she should give the invocation? |
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:07 PM
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4. Most folks never even knew what an invocation was until this drama |
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Not it's more important than Obama's oath of office.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:26 PM
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Thank goodness we've been edumacated ... :eyes:
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:06 PM
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2. I bet she "has a gay friend" too. |
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:09 PM
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8. Better! A lesbian sister who gets to determine which issues matter and which don't! n/t |
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:07 PM
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3. Hilda Solis is AWESOME! |
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The Warren choice is bitterly disappointing to me, but he'll be booed and gone in 2 minutes. Solis will effect real change in the Labor Department. :woohoo:
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:07 PM
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Windy
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:09 PM
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9. The level of hatred and immaturity on DU the last few days is just so disappointing. |
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This is what we are reduced to? focusing on one issue and trashing the first opportunity this country has had for reform in decades?
Some of you are no better than the right wing ideologues on the other side!
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Sat Dec-20-08 03:36 AM
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43. How immature of me to be upset |
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I mean, Rick Warren only helped to destroy my marriage...why should I be upset?
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:08 PM
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6. Yay! More words! I'll sleep better tonight, now. |
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:08 PM
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i am speaking out for equality and justice.
and yes, i know about Hilda Solis. great. but it's still wrong to reward a bigot with a place of honor in the inaugural, only enforcing the idea that bigotry is okay.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:09 PM
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10. Bill Clinton tried to allow openly gay people to serve |
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That was in 1993. It failed, but he did try.
As to your post...Will Obama spend a lot of political capital on this issue if it starts to go south on him?
Gays in the Military (and I was in the service in 1993) was a hot-button issue in the service. Clinton did use a lot of political capital on it and it damaged the early stages of his presidency. But at least he made the effort
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:11 PM
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11. Who is trashing Obama? |
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The strongest post I've seen on the subject said he might be enabling homophobes, which is just a statement of fact. And your post is hardly calculated to settle the tone, if that was your purpose.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:12 PM
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12. It is not just a "one minute prayer" ! It is public recognition and an act of "respect |
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for Warren at a State Occasion! But I guess you are okay with paying him respect "honoring " him, and also okay that he address God in the name of the United States.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:16 PM
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15. Wow we are on the same side on an issue |
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Who would have thought that would ever happened?
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:24 PM
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17. Had to happen. I have always been ardently pro Gay marriage, support civil rights for all |
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and have always been a feminist. Civil Rights are Human Rights. And at the end of the day, I voted for Obama too!:hi:
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:27 PM
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20. I'm finding I have more in common with people I've argued alot on here |
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than some people I've agreed with the past 10 months since I joined these past 3 days. I guess not long till I'm part of the enemy with them.
:hi:
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:12 PM
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13. While that's good to know |
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It's expected that a Labor secretary would uphold Democratic values, as being pro-labor IS a Democratic value.
However, so is supporting sustainable family farming, and growing healthy food, not Frankenstein-mutated crap and high fructose corn poison. Which can we expect from Vilsack?
Ray LaHood has supported the right wing agenda straight down the line. Is he really going to be supportive of 21st century transportation solutions, or will he be content with "hybrid" Escalades driving on highways privatized to Halliburton?
How do Robert Gates and Hillary "Obliteration" Clinton send the message to the rest of the world that we REJECT the neonazi foreign policy of PNAC?
Rick Warren is not THE problem. He's the symptom of a much larger problem.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:16 PM
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14. That is fantastic. And she has the clout to do it. I just love Hilda. |
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It probably won't be good enough, though, to quiet the crowd.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:21 PM
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16. Did you shave a minute off that prayer? |
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Obviously, you don't support those here who feel betrayed. Some day you'll feel the same about an issue and hopefully there will be someone who feels enough compassion to stand with you.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:27 PM
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19. I suspect Obama will work to enact hate crimes legislation protecting GLBT Americans right away |
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and then DOMA and DADT will be put aside until the campaigning for the 2012 election begins in earnest.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:27 PM
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21. Get a grip, its only bigotry and hate, get a grip. I mean at least he's not |
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a racist or anti-semetic.. I mean, really, get a grip.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:27 PM
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22. If it's only an insignificant one-minute prayer |
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then Obama should just cancel it altogether. No one will miss it. Just one minute. Insignificant. No one will mind. Right?
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:28 PM
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23. Thank you! This outrage is insane! |
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Give Obama a chance.
Look at all he has fought against to get to the place he is. His life has been on the line and will be throughout his presidency.
This country is in serious trouble and a short piece spoken by a perceived enemy is small compared to what is ahead of us. Your time will come, but put it in perspective.
Jeez!
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:57 PM
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32. I bet your straight, right? |
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How 'bout we have a straight-hatin' gay minister offer the invocation? Will that be fine with you? You will of course just sit there and shut up, just like a good light straight person, right? No skin off your nose, eh?
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Fri Dec-19-08 05:13 PM
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34. I am straight, yes. I am elderly and have seen a lot in my lifetime. |
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I am also accepting of those around me. I also know this world does not revolve around me. I also believe in live and let live. I also believe that there are many who are wrong to feel the way they do about gays and Lesbians, and I hate it when I see prejudice. BUT, we all have to learn to live and work together. AND, for your information, I do not like or approve of mega-evangelists. I have friends and relatives who are gay/Lesbian. Are you saying I have to change my sexual preference to be accepted by gays and Lesbians? Then you'd better tell my friends and relatives to stand clear of me. I'm poison in your book.
How sad.
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Fri Dec-19-08 09:04 PM
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37. No, I did not say you have to change your sexual preference. |
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I am saying that since it appears to be fine and "live and let live" that a gay-hating, homophobic, H8-filled minister offer the Inaugural invocation, perhaps it's OK to have a straight-hatin', heterophobic gay minister offer the benediction. I mean after all, good for the goose...
And I ask if you were straight, because too many straight people just don't get it. We GLBT persons are HATED, BEATEN, RAPED, ABUSED and KILLED because of our sexual orientation that we did not choose nor can we change. To GLBT persons, INVITING a homophobic, gay-hating minister to lead a prayer at Obama's Inauguration is tantamount to inviting the KKK Grand Dragon to lead the prayer, and just as insulting.
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Sat Dec-20-08 03:49 AM
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45. A perceived enemy? Are you familiar with the things that Rick Warren has done? |
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:28 PM
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There's a difference between speaking out about having a well-known homophobe participate in the inauguration and trashing Obama.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:30 PM
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25. Why is disagreeing with a decision trashing Obama? |
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Fri Dec-19-08 09:41 PM
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:30 PM
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26. So, if it is only a one minute prayer |
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Then Rick Warren won't mind at all if Obama tells him he won't be giving it, correct? I mean, it should be no big whoop for Obama to call him up and say "Hey man, changed my mind, maybe next time"
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:36 PM
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Why is criticizing what many see as a plain old bad choice seen as "trashing O"?
Maybe it is inoffensive to YOU, but to many it IS a big deal.
Back off. No one is stupid and most probably already know what she said.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:45 PM
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28. It's a one minute slap in the face to those.. |
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.. who believe in equal rights, tolerance, and inclusion..
.. and it's a slap that will ring forever.
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:46 PM
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29. Another "fierce advocate?" woo hoo! |
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:48 PM
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30. Thanks for pointing this out! It was historic. n/t |
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:52 PM
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31. Make love, not war, the whiners should be gripping each other instead of griping. |
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Sat Dec-20-08 03:50 AM
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46. Ugh. That's one of the most repulsive things I've ever read. Ick. Yuck. |
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Fri Dec-19-08 04:57 PM
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33. Judging from the responses, many DUers who prioritize gay rights don't care about labor rights. (nt) |
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Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 04:58 PM by w4rma
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Fri Dec-19-08 09:45 PM
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40. Only in your small mind are the two at odds. |
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Sat Dec-20-08 03:02 AM
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41. I did not say the issues were at odds. What I said was entirely different. Don't twist my words.(nt) |
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Sat Dec-20-08 09:30 AM
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48. Then explain your ridiculous smear, and produce evidence. |
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Sat Dec-20-08 03:51 AM
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47. Care to provide some evidence for that slam? |
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Fri Dec-19-08 05:52 PM
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35. I am glad she is doing that |
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but she should since she got the job over a more qualified gay person (Mary Beth Maxwell).
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Fri Dec-19-08 06:41 PM
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36. Is criticizing always trashing? |
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Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 06:41 PM by mmonk
Or is it just disagreeing with a particular decision?
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Fri Dec-19-08 09:44 PM
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39. Obama appointed Condi Rice, so his Katrina response has nothing to do with racism? |
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By your ass backwards excuse for logic.
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Sat Dec-20-08 03:33 AM
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42. you fucking get a grip! how about our fucking president fighting for gay rights? |
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gee, maybe a president who came out against bigots and homophobia rather than supporting them, might have a bigger impact than a fucking labor secretary doing so.
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Sat Dec-20-08 09:48 AM
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49. Silent, you supporter of 2nd class citizens! |
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Back to your little pink cages with you!
*k-snap*
It's time for you to start raising money for the 2010 cycle!
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Sat Dec-20-08 03:40 AM
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44. Does he really need you all defending him? he can handle his bad choices. |
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