What makes you mad about Bush that Kerry can use NOW?

[texastoast]

What particularly resonates with you that you don't feel Kerry is capitalizing on particularly well right now? I don't think we Texans are seeing as many ads as other people are seeing, so I would like to offer one particular thing that has sunk a few Bush ships in Texas when I pointed this out.

It comes from footage of Bush in Michael Moore's Farenheit 911 where Bush is at a fundraiser of some very wealthy northeastern industrialists. Shrubito says (in effect), "Well, this certainly is a roomful of the haves and have-mores. . . . You will be my base."

Many Texans are very put off by that.

Any other ideas you have that the Kerry campaign could utilize?

:mad:

[Connie_Corleone]

1. Bush sitting in the classroom for 7 minutes

Bush prancing around in the flightsuit.

I'm waiting for 2 ads with this footage in it.

[Bluzmann57]

4. Yes the flightsuit was particularly galling

and I believe Kerry mentioned something about it while campaigning in Iowa. Wish he would do so now too.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

8. and Bush did special underwater survival training for that stunt

Is that a good use of the President's time? and OUR money???

[LibDemAlways]

5. I agree.

Just start telling the truth about the chimp using video clips and his own words. Kerry could use *'s flip flops to devastating effect. Juxtapose chimp's post-9/11 Bin Ladin comments with his Bin Ladin is irrelevant comments a few months later. There is a treasure trove of ammunition that could be used against the thug, but so far Kerry's been unwilling to even load the weapon.

The media will start paying attention to Kerry when he wakes up and starts using words like "liar" and "clueless." Put the little chicken-shit on the defensive and don't back down.

[texastoast]

14. Bush--The Flip-Flop KING!!

Such juxtaposition is an excellent idea!

If Kerry doesn't start some offensive . . . well, maybe his campaign coordinators could use a little direction!

[Kierkegaard]

2. I think video documentation is a powerful weapon

that could be wielded like a broad sword.

I think your suggestion is something that could have an impact on the average American, considering the Kerry camp has already asserted the big business connections in this administration.

The pukes are also getting a lot of mileage out of Kerry's supposed 'flip-flops.' There is plenty of footage that would make a dandy expose' on the notorious flip flopping of the Liar in chief.
Throw it back in their faces!

[truthspeaker]

3. Bin Laden still on the loose. He should have been enemy #1 after 9/11

But Bush abandoned the hunt and went after Saddam.

[Xipe Totec]

6. Iraq, For Chrissakes

What a total unmitigated cluster-fuck. Kerry should be all over * like stink on shit!

Where are the WMD?
Where is the 9/11 connection to Iraq?
What happened to 'the war will pay for itself'?
Where are the flowers?
Where is Osama? Afghanistan? Why are we in Iraq then?

[msturgis524]

7. Terrorism has increased

How bout this, we have been fighting a war on terrorism for 3 years and Al Qaeda is bigger, and more decentralized. Attacks are up, and more people are dead. The resident wants this to be his strong point????????????

[Name removed]

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[texastoast]

12. No--not attack

Just point out the facts.

So many people do not have the facts--just spin, spin, spin from the repukian wind machine. They have nothing to stand on.

Another example that freaked out some people was when I mentioned that there are now many naturalized Muslims in the United States who before Bush were very content to let "the stupid white men" run the country. They have understandably become more politically active since Bush is bent on bombing the hell out of their motherland relatives.

This fact nor the "haves and have-mores" are attacks at all. Just the facts.

[Catfight]

10. That he's a spoiled rich brat that never had to do anything to mess up

his hair, but he sends everyone else to do his dirty work. I find him empty headed and a disgrace to humanity. I can't tell the difference between him and any dictatorship.

[lizerdbits]

11. Your example is exactly what I though of

when I read the thread title. The fact that he laughs about his base being the 'haves and have mores' I think would really get to a LOT of people.

[Protagoras]

13. Lots of easy bullet points

1000+ dead US Soldiers in Iraq
No WMD
Exportation of US jobs.
Average replacement job -9K per year.
Cost of Healthcare skyrocketing.
Slashed Education
11 Trillion dollars national Debt.
7 minutes of blank stare.

[cthrumatrix]

21. bingo..bingo...bing

[Zen Democrat]

15. It's the Seven Minutes, Stupid!!! Somebody wake up in the campaign!

[MurrayDelph]

20. How about we show it with the dialogue:

"Sitting on your ass and looking stupid is NOT 'Showing Leadership'

"Being too stubborn or stupid to change your mind when your plan
doesn't work is NOT 'Showing Leadership'

"Making an entire battleship stay offshore for an extra day so that
you can make a dramatic entrance in flightsuit and codpiece is NOT
'Showing Leadership'

"Lying your way into a war we didn't need to start is NOT 'Showing Leadership'

"Taunting your enemies to attack us harder is NOT 'Showing Leadership'

"George Bush wouldn't know how to 'Show Leadership' if it came up and bit him on the ass. But then again, it's not his ass that's on the line."

[texastoast]

31. No, it's not his ass on the line, is it?

Nor his daughters'.

Nor Cheney's or his spawn . . . .

VERY well expressed!

[AuntPatsy]

16. It is hard to pinpoint any one single attrociety that he is

guilty of that annoys me the most, but yesterdays little speech calling the Democrats in his own words Pathetic just about makes you want to keel over in disgust over his prouncement in the past of being a Uniter, not a Divider...

But if I had to pinpoint one, it is going into Iraq and being responsible for so many innocent lives lost on both sides of the water...

[Gregorian]

17. The big picture.

If this were a jury, we would have found beyond a reasonable doubt that Bush is guilty-
Guilty of stealing an election. Guilty of being AWOL on the job. Guilty of an illegal invasion on a country that was not an imminent threat. Guilty of torturing people, to extract what, we'll never know. Guilty of destroying the environment. Guilty, guilty, guilty.

I would like to see the whole ball of wax, put into one piece. Maybe I'm dreaming. But a piece here, and a piece there, just doesn't do this criminal gang justice. We pick at specifics, and yet there's an elephant in the living room. It stinks. When looking at the whole picture, it's overwhelming how guilty this misadministration is.

Maybe it's not possible. Maybe there is no big picture, because they've sandbagged all of the little ones. But I see it. I saw it before he was president. I saw him as governor, laughing as he signed death warrants. Come on, what does it take? If they can't see this, they're blind.

[JohnKleeb]

18. definely the cutting of veterans benefits

[liberal N proud]

19. The fact that he is stupid and our President!

A better question is What about shrub dosn't make me mad!

[AntiFascist]

22. Why can't someone like MoveOnPac use that footage?

Michael Moore has made more than enough from his documentary, why can't that footage be used in an ad? ("Some call you the haves and have mores, I call you my base.") I agree, this could be the most effective message, coming straight from Bush's mouth.

[texastoast]

37. Anybody got an in with MoveOn?

I just found this email I got from MoveOn on 08/21/2004.

I've got to leave work now, but if someone would like to rev them up, try a little later at this link (the site is offline for maintenance right now), and see if still works. I will check back in later this evening.

"Even if there's nothing on your mind, come read what others are saying and help us find the ideas we should pursue:

http://www.actionforum.com/forum/index.html?forum_id=264

"Thanks for strengthening democracy by participating in these important conversations!"

Sincerely,
--Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Noah, Peter, and Wes
The MoveOn Team

[AngryAmish]

23. He is a monkey

[LibeMatt]

24. Bush is Never at the White House These Days

Bush keeps complaining that Kerry's avoiding Senate duties these days while campaigning. However, as an Arizona Daily Star article points out, Bush hasn't spent a full day at the White House since 2 August. He has, however, managed to spend a weekend at Camp David, a weekend in Kennebunkport, and a week in Crawford. The rest of the time, he's out on the road talking smack.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WHERE_IS_BUSH_LIST?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

On a related note, I saw an extended Bush clip on PBS (NewsHour) last night...makes you wonder how anyone who actually sees him speak more than a soundbite could support him. It was a combination of non-sequiturs, bad jokes, recycled repug campaign lies, and half-hearted attempts to co-opt good democratic programs.

NP: Jerry Douglas, HSMF 04

[Carolinian]

25. Bush family ties to Bin Laden family. I don't buy the "black

sheep" story for a minute. Blood is thick.

[wildflower]

26. Besides poverty, health, and job loss, the biggies are

-The threat to our individual liberty and safety (viz. censorship, the Patriot Act, Guantanamo, one-party rule, etc.)

-The threat to women's lives, particularly in the very real and likely danger of Roe v. Wade being repealed under Bush

-Global destruction, in terms of both the escalation of violence (tensions and weapons) and the deterioration of the environment
through pollution and overpopulation

Not to mention national security. Sigh, there are so many.

-wildflower

[Annette]

27. I think this says it all....

"But Zappala said he thinks the president is using the "sacrifice of soldiers for political gain" and doesn't believe Bush deeply understands the human cost of war."

I think this says it all, it is the last paragraph of this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040914/ap_on_el_pr/bush_14

[texastoast]

33. How can he understand . . .

the cost of war when he doesn't even go to Iraq?

My screensaver says 1,012 dead . . . 7,040 wounded . . . no end in sight.

[Strawman]

28. The "I'm proactive" bs on terrorism

When he was briefed coming into office about Al Queda being the #1 threat, and then poo pooed and ignored the problem, put the feelings of the Saudi royals first and then went on vacation.

Generally, economic issues get me more worked up than national security, but the fact that he is running on a total lie and doing well with it really sticks in my craw.

[Bandit]

29. Bush* campaigning on the meme "I Trust the People"

Before he even stole the office he said in Florida that people can't be trusted because they are subjective while machines are objective and therefor are the only things to be trusted. That is why he didn't want a recount. Not to mention having the most secretive government in history.

[texastoast]

35. That would be a perfect one for

the juxtaposition. One frame with a quote and the other frame with the "trust the people" doublespeak.

Wake up, Kerry!! We are giving you some great stuff here!

[AngryAmish]

30. Bush is Hitler!

[cheshire]

32. The shame he's brought to the republican party, I'm mad at everything.

I think the shame to his own party is pretty strong. The shame to America too.

[maverick hombre]

39. Yes Shame...But heres and issue to support a couple Republicans about

Yes GW has tainted the spirit of the Republican party and has gone against the "Republican Oath.

This might sound weird coming from a "Repug" asking DU to support a couple ultra-conservative senators...but hear me out...PLEASE and ACT on this. I already did.

Senator John Warner is leading the Abu Gharib inquiry and he REFUSES to cave into the neo-con pressure to dump the inquiry. Likewise Senator Lindsay Graham, the same guy who prosecuted Mr. Clinton in the impeachment trial, is also refusing to cave. Both Warner and Graham are died in the wool conservatives, and they are joined by the usual Republican "moderates" or "mavericks"...along with ALL the dems.

I'm urging you to write your senators and ask them to KEEP THE HEAT ON ABU GHARIB so that someone in the neo-con Junta will get pinned with responsibility...namely Rums-failed, Wolfowitz, Cheesey Cheney, or GW.

Believe me, it takes a senator or two from the same party who has respect in the senate, like Chairman Warner, to have the fortitude to challenge these zealots. The same thing happened in Watergate...it took Republicans with guts to hone in on Dick Nixon. This is a SUPER bi-partisan issue that can bring GW down big time. Warner, Graham, McCain, and the rest DESERVE everyone's support in bucking their own party and hopefully exposing some of the criminal activity in the executive branch.

Please write your senators and ask them to continue to support Chairman Warner and Lindsey Graham in getting to the bottom of Abu Gharib. Not only will this help Mr. Kerry, it will also be offering support to the troops who deserve better than this administration.

[texastoast]

41. Getting to the bottom of Abu Ghjarib is important

Anything to get those really responsible for the torture order. Thanks for the info. Sooo many issues . . . .

[cheshire]

45. Do you have contact info?

[RevCheesehead]

34. HEALTH CARE

"A savings account for healthcare is meaningless to someone earning $7/hour and trying to support a family."

Bush's healthcare will do nothing for the poor, and very little for the working class. It is, in effect, another tax-shelter for the rich, and offers no solution to the under-insured and uninsured.

[AuntPatsy]

36. That he openly dispises the liberal agenda, watch this video..

Ummmm, I am not sure but this sure looks like something that would be used by Bush and company in his campaign...

I believe it would not sit well with some folks, at least I would hope it wouldn't...


http://gwbush04.com/v.php?f=jesuswrong

[texastoast]

40. Too bad--Jesus was a liberal

There is no way chimpy can reconcile when "God told him to go bomb the shit out of Iraq" with his Methodist "faith."

[RevCheesehead]

38. Debate opener: "I challenged * to run a positive campaign on the issues."

Get the clip from his convention speech. I'm certain Kerry said he wanted us to choose the high road, avoiding negative campaigning.

He can simply ask: Has shrubby's campaign focused on the issues?

To be followed with a Reagan clip "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?"

[belle]

42. He deserted the country he was supposed to serve, again and again and

again. When he was in the Guard; and again when he was supposed to be on alert for Al Qaeda but instead was on the longest vacation a president had ever taken; and again, on 9/11 itself (seven minutes); and again, when he did not come through with the aid he promised to New York; and again, when he left the children behind; and again, when he sent our troops to die in the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time; and again when he didn't even provide adequate funding for the soldiers; and again when he did not--and still has not--attended even one funeral of one soldier. W stands for aWol.

[Annette]

43. I want a democracy not a theocracy!

That's my newest line.

[texastoast]

44. Don't you know?

Few right-wingers have any concept of separation of church and state and how it was so very specifically directed by the Founding Fathers. Many would argue that freedom "of" religion does not mean freedom "from" religion. But it does if your personal faith is to be free of religion. Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, and many of the others are rolling in their graves.

Few wingnuts even know that the Church of England charged FINES and advocated social ridicule for not attending services. But they are so naive as to believe a theocracy such as the present American religious fundamenalist extremists would have in place would ever do such a thing.

[Annette]

46. You're right about that

I had a right-winger tell me that the founding fathers wanted "under God" in the pledge of allegiance!!

[Polemonium]

47. His open pride at his own mediocrity

If he were not a fortunate son, there is little in life he* would ever excel at, and yet he seems strangely proud of that.

[texastoast]

48. You are so right!

He has a strange pride in being such a loser and yet being in the highest office of our land.