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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 03:56 PM
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Nouriel Roubini: Nationalizing the Banks Can End The Death Spiral We Are In

Nationalize the Banks! We're all Swedes Now
By Matthew Richardson and Nouriel Roubini
Washington Post
Sunday, February 15, 2009

Matthew Richardson and Nouriel Roubini, professors at New York University's Stern School of Business, both contributed to the upcoming book "Restoring Financial Stability: How to Repair a Failed System."

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The U.S. banking system is close to being insolvent, and unless we want to become like Japan in the 1990s -- or the United States in the 1930s -- the only way to save it is nationalization. As free-market economists teaching at a business school in the heart of the world's financial capital, we feel downright blasphemous proposing an all-out government takeover of the banking system. But the U.S. financial system has reached such a dangerous tipping point that little choice remains. And while Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner's recent plan to save it has many of the right elements, it's basically too late.

The subprime mortgage mess alone does not force our hand; the $1.2 trillion it involves is just the beginning of the problem. Another $7 trillion -- including commercial real estate loans, consumer credit-card debt and high-yield bonds and leveraged loans -- is at risk of losing much of its value. Then there are trillions more in high-grade corporate bonds and loans and jumbo prime mortgages, whose worth will also drop precipitously as the recession deepens and more firms and households default on their loans and mortgages.

Nationalization is the only option that would permit us to solve the problem of toxic assets in an orderly fashion and allow lending finally to resume. Of course, the economy would still stink, but the death spiral we are in would stop.

The eventual outcome would be a healthy financial system with many new banks capitalized by good assets. Insolvent, too-big-to-fail banks would be broken up into smaller pieces less likely to threaten the whole financial system. Regulatory reforms also would be instituted to reduce the chances of costly future crises.

Nationalizing banks is not without precedent. In 1992, the Swedish government took over its insolvent banks, cleaned them up and reprivatized them. Obviously, the Swedish banking system was much smaller than the U.S. system. Moreover, some of the current U.S. financial institutions are much larger and more complex, making analysis difficult. And today's global capital markets make gaming the system easier than in 1992. But we believe that, if applied correctly, the Swedish solution will work here.

Basically, we're all Swedes now. We have used all our bullets, and the boogeyman is still coming. Let's pull out the bazooka and be done with it.

Please read the entire article at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/12/AR2009021201602.html?sid=ST2009021203365&s_pos&s_pos=
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 04:02 PM
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1. The 21st Century Cassandra.
No, nationalization will not be pretty. Chemotherapy never is.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 04:06 PM
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2. The alternative to nationalization is a full scale 1930's type depression
So that makes the choice very clear.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:14 PM
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8. Yeap, the banks in the 30's COULDN'T put money bank in circulation cause the didn't have any
...people shoved it under their matress's
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 04:09 PM
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3. K&R
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:04 PM
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4. Perhaps if we ignore the alarmist message everything will be all right!

We standing on the edge of the cliff right now. And it appears the some of us have blinders on. If exactly the right moves are not made, such as nationalizing the banks, we will certainly descend into a world-wide economic crisis that could be just as bad or even worse than the 1930's depression.

And we have posters gleefully writing that the Republicans are sunk as a political party while the Democratic Party will certainly pick up a lot more seats in Congress in 2010 and 2012! Not if the economy is in the toilet! What are they smoking?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:12 PM
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5. YEAP, the US banks are lead by bastards and the Swedes did it the RIGHT way
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:13 PM
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6. It worked for Sweden but they only had 10 banks.
We have more than 100 times that many. I don't see how, practically, we can nationalize that many banks.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:16 PM
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9. Don't have to, nationalize the big boys and force them to take their refi and new home rates down to
...3% and sell the blocks of money to them at same margin the were getting in 06.

Instant pick up of economy, there's no one in their right mind who wouldn't refi or buy for that rate if it was kept open for 3 months.

THEN, the other smaller banks would have to follow suite buying blocks of cash from the feds at the same rate the big boys did if they wanted to compete.

Pick the rates up when house prices stop the free fall...
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:26 PM
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10. That's certainly feasible.
Have you sent this to the Obama Admin? I'm serious - I like your idea. :thumbsup:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:37 PM
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12. You're right. I hope the writer also send it to Nouriel Roubini .....
in fact the author can post their comments on Roubini's RGE website right underneath this specific article!

http://www.rgemonitor.com/roubini-monitor
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:32 PM
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11. Read the article and you will understand. The major insolvent banks!
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:14 PM
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7. That and single payer health care.....
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:59 PM
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13. I'm on board
So is Stiglitz. Just move quickly. There is no time for obstructionism from the idiotic GOP, nor from the worthless blue dogs. We have to get busy on this. Let the banks who can't cut it fail and shave the rest. Set up a national bank to handle meat and potatoes lending to regular people and look toward selling off those parts of the banking industry that may have value in the future. It's not too late to act, but the window is closing.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:16 AM
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17. Good. Now we need to get President Obama on board and those around him
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:26 AM
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18. I think that's going to take at least a few months.
Think of some of his team members. Like Treasury.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 08:09 AM
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14. Capitalism is dying ...
the only question left is the human species determined to die with it.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 10:59 AM
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15. Cenk Uygur: "Just nationalize the damn banks already"

Who Keeps Screwing Us Over?
by Cenk Uygur
Feb 12, 2009

We're wasting our time here. Just nationalize the damn banks already. Almost all of the top economists are now in agreement that we should take this step. The people who put the money in are the people who own the company - that's how capitalism works. I'm a die-hard capitalist. I don't want the federal government owning banks for an extended period of time. But what's worse is to continue letting these bankers rob us of our money day in and day out while we sit around like fools.

We buy it, we own it. Kick the clowns out. Run it for a limited amount of time while we stabilize the credit markets. And then sell them off in the free market. Instead of begging the bankers to loosen up credit, we take the banks and do it ourselves.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/12/14424/0375/1023/696657
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 04:31 PM
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16. It's about taking control of the situation.
Edited on Sat Feb-14-09 04:32 PM by pa28
Propping up the major banks and institutions from the outside strikes me as a weak strategy. The leveraged losses accelerate while the money goes out and the goalposts move again as we helplessly watch billions evaporate, likely forever(see AIG).

There's too much at stake to cross our fingers and hope the large institutions will stop the losses, rethink their philosophies and pay the money back. Yes, shareholders will be hurt by nationalization and some form of derivatives freeze or nationalized derivatives settlement will hurt many more. It's unfortunate for them(and us)but maybe necessary and at least we'll have the groundwork for a turnaround.

Nationalization seems like breaking a social taboo but it's the strong response to a critical situation and it also gives us a fighting chance to put a floor on the losses. I want the government to remain financially solvent and I don't want to see the treasury flushed into a cycle of never ending and expanding losses.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 02:28 AM
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19. I agree. It sucks but it has to be done. nt
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