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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 09:25 AM Original message |
Know what you are arguing. Many persons captured in Afghanistan |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. They should be classified as POW's, but Bush didn't believe in human rights ........ |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. If they did not take up arms against the United States, how can they be |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Define "engaged". |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. You've bought into the propaganda that all those taken were either |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Here's the problem: You can't know the particiulars of each of every .......... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Bush ruined a lot of the process. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Exactly, Obama inherited this mess from Bushco |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Really? They were all operating under a cohesive and fixed chain of command, |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. You're trying to blanket every person captured under one big umbrella..... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Yes. Under the definition of "Prisoner of War." |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Ah, no ............ |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:06 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I think the intent of that passage is clear in the whole paragraph. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. At Bagram? And you know this, how? n/t |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I did not mention Bagram though it is notorious for torture. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. The case of Al Hajj : |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
10. * invented that "unlawful enemy combatant" category |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Yes, it was an invention of the executive branch in order |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. How can a label be created that will then deny ANY rights at all to human beings who are then |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Yes, he created the "enemy combatant" designation and then |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
13. How does this apply to Obama's decision about the prisoners in Bagram? Are we waiting on another |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Same messy soup, just on a different burner............ |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
17. Here's what I dont understand..... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. That isn't a new precedent. |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. But if the leader of Iran deemed the American solider to be an unlawful combatant... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. You mean if he decided to violate international law by denying POW protections to a POW? |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Yep, that's exactly what I mean. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 09:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I don't believe we're setting any precedent along those lines. |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
18. We dropped thousands of fliers encourgaging people to sell out their |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. How would we know? |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-23-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Good point eom |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-22-09 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
30. Complete and utter codswollop. nm |
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