Where would we be right now if McCain/Palin had won?

[old mark]

Tax cuts for banks? Eliminate Social Security and Medicare as wasteful pork? Palin getting more clothes and being on TV every day?

I think we came very close to the end of civilization.

mark

[Warren Stupidity]

1. The fucking Dow would be below 7000!

Oh wait...

[BOSSHOG]

2. At war with Norway

Universal Abstinence Training - The Sarah Palin No Fuck Initiative

[agentS]

26. At war with...everybody!

With Palin and her AIP dominionist friends whispering into McCrazy's addled ear, McCain would probably declare at least 4 wars by now.
Iran, Syria, North Korea, and Russia.

And by March he would declare war on NATO because they called during his nap time :lol

[Diclotican]

39. BOSSHOG

BOSSHOG

I guess so, one of the founding nations when it came to NATO in 1949, and a country who for the most part had been loyal to the interest of US....

But if McCain/Palin had for a second believed that the population of Norway had accepted that US was to bomb us to do what US want, then they might get into a surprise.. I know most american have no clue where Norway are, but our nature is as made to wage a guerrilla war style against enemies.. And if you thing that Iraq is bad, just wait to se what become of many americans if they want to occupy Norway... Not that we have had to much to say military but as some general in Norway once put it. The GI soldier in Norway are not easy to command, they ask everything and can be a pain in the as, but give him a reason to do it, and you might have the best soldier in the world..

On the other side I would guess that the close friendship that Norway and US have had for more than 70 year Will be some of the past, if McCain/Palin was to wage a war. And if worst was to because, Norway would find a new friend in Russia, who might benefit from the withdraw of our NATO membership...

If US was to attack a NATO member, I fear that the whole concept of a NATO alliance Will be killed when the first bomb was hitting their target.. And I am also afraid that US was on the loosing end in Europe, for many, many decades to came if they was indeed attack a NATO member in Europe... This is a bridge that even the neo-con are not willing to ruin.. They almost did it in the 8 year of the administration of mr Bush.. Any war inside the alliance, would have killed any hope of rebuilding the friendship, between Europe and US... And US need all the friends they can get this days...

Diclotican

[MrsMatt]

40. Too many stubborn Norwegians & Swedes in MN

there would be a heck of a ruckus from us. The Sons of Norway would take up arms!

http://www.sofn.com/home/index.jsp

[Diclotican]

41. MrsMatt

MrsMatt

Believe me, when I say that we are stubborn here in Norway and Sweden too, maybe more than in MN... And it would be a hell of problems for everyone who wanted to occupy us.. When the germans occupied Norway in the 1940s, they hit the wall against our stubbornness time and time again.. And they just not got it, why we acted as we did... And the germans was pretty hewyhanded in the 5 year they was here...

Diocletian

[Brother Buzz]

42. The whole equation would change if Norway produced another Quisling

[Diclotican]

43. Brother Buzz

Brother Buzz

True, but in Norway Quisling was never very popular, by all accounts of the time, most Norwegians was looking at Quisling as nothing less than a traitor to the country, and was not so happy to have anything with him to do in the first place.. And the germans "got" the message in the end, because in most cases Quisling and NS was been ignored when the germans decided something.. Off course we have our "state act" in 1941-42 where Quisling was given the reign - officially, but in reality the germans was playing the show, and Quisling would be nothing less than a puppet for the germans true the war...

And in any cases, Quisling was given the death penalty in the end of the war, and shot at Akershus Fortress and Castle.. And he was followed by many others...

Quisling have also given name to the international term for a treator... And the family name of Qusling have been more or less banned from public use in Norway ever since

Diclotican

[Jackpine Radical]

47. In Madison, WI there is a Quisling Clinic started by the brothers of Vidkun.

They are a family of medical doctors over here. I knew a son of one of the founding brothers--he was a freshman in my dorm when I was a senior undergrad student at Madison. We were not close--I thought he was an arrogant little rich kid--but I do remember him trying to justify Vidkun's actions during the war, saying that he took on the job of puppet for the good of the Norwegian people, that he kept trying to modify and ameliorate the harshness of Nazi rule.

The Quisling kid I knew ended up getting his medical degree and joining the family clinic.

[TTUBatfan2008]

3. The stock market would be crashing just the same and...

El Rushbo would still be blaming Obama for it. The fat bastard has been blaming Obama for a stock market crash that he inherited ever since the campaign was going on.

[MadMaddie]

28. My coworker today (Repug) but outside of that a nice guy

told me that the Dems have owened the deficit for the last two years. And the deficit is their fault. I replied well everyone is acting shocked about the deficit because the war costs were not being reported with the deficit now that it is everyone is surprised.

The Repugs would prefer the actual cost to be hidden so it doesn't frighten them.

[AndyTiedye]

4. Packing

[WeDidIt]

5. We'd be right at the beginning of

the worst economic depression in world history.

[renate]

6. your question has occurred to me many times

It's a real source of comfort, when I realize that no matter how much I worry now, at least I feel fairly safe in assuming that things will get better eventually. I think that there would be no upside to what's going on now, if McCain had won; now, I think we're going to see a real change for the better in the long term. It's painful now but there is hope with a set of people-focused solution that wouldn't be there with the solely institution-focused solutions that McCain would have tried to come up with.

For example, I can imagine that the catastrophic decline in retirement savings, which is scary enough for those of us a decade or two from retirement but must be terrifying for those just a couple of years or less away, will be at least partially offset by the security of a meaningful safety net in terms of health care. A McCain administration would have made a priority out of maintaining the incredible differences in wealth between the upper class and the middle class; the Obama administration is going to see that difference lessen, and increased social spending is going to make life better for those at the lower end of the income ladder, too.

With Obama, this difficult period is going to make our country better in the long run; with McCain, it would have been a slow slide towards a pit we could never dig ourselves out of.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. we would rename hoovervilles to mccainvilles or palinvilles.

[gemlake]

8. Top marginal tax rates of 25 percent

and the beginnings of the Great Depression II.

Be very, very thankful for Obama.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. Oh Jesus!

I can't bear the thought!

[Jennicut]

10. We would be worrying every day that McCain might kick the bucket and Palin would take over.

Very scared.

[LynneSin]

11. It's safe to assume the economy would suck just as bad under a McCain-Palin regime but...

....I wouldn't be seeing any hope of getting out of it.

As bad as it is I have a feeling that in a year or so we'll see the light at the end of the tunnel. Obama's plan is not perfect but I think it just might do the trick.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. Total collapse.

[tomg]

13. I can't even imagine it. nt

[AllentownJake]

14. Probably re-education camps

With shower heads that shoot poison gas.

[marlakay]

15. McCain probably would have had a heart attack

from the stress and Sarah would be our pres now if they had won.

[renate]

25. as scary as a McCain presidency would be, it probably is no exaggeration...

... to say that that really would have been the end of any hope that America would ever again bear any resemblance to the country it's been for the past 230 years. I'm not saying that it would have become unlivable or a banana republic or dictatorship or anything like that. But it would just be a place to live, and not the place where people want to come for a better life.

[Vinca]

16. I'd be in Canada. nt

[old mark]

22. They won't let me keep my guns. nt

[discopants]

17. McCain would be threatening vetoes on all legislation

passed by the Dem control Congress. Boner & Cantor would still be whining about Pelosi, McConnell & Graham would still be whining about Reid. Dems in the House approve anything they wanted, but the Senate would be the place all bills would die.

McCain/Palin's cabinet picks would be stopped by a Democratic majority (how could they approve Sec. of State Tom Delay or Attorney General Rick Santorum,??) and McCain would end up making recess appointments.

... and the rightwing would still be blaming Obama for the state of the economy.

[damonm]

18. Oh, THANK YOU....

Now YOU can rock me to sleep tonight after I wake up screaming from THAT nightmare...
:P

[old mark]

19. So, you can sleep, eh?

Imagine Palin/Jandl in 2012.

Gingrich/Palin?

enough....



mark:puke:

[damonm]

23. Great...just great...

Fuck you VERY much...:evilgrin:

[Phx_Dem]

20. In an insane asylum after my self-imposed lobotomy.

That's where I'd be.

[ITsec]

21. On the road to a Xtian Theocracy. n/t

[Fire1]

24. I'll have to go with #4, Alex. n/t

[Yavin4]

27. Gearing Up For The Ground War In Iran

After about a month of bombing raids.

[santamargarita]

29. Palin would have put poison in his Viagra by now

:rofl:

[old mark]

35. Or else fucked him to death.......nt

[Urban Prairie]

30. McCopalypse Now----->Caribou Barbie Beyond TundraNome n/t

[Raine]

31. Oh God our country would be doomed

I believe the end of the World would be at hand. :scared:

[rasputin1952]

32. Thankfully, that is a scenario we do not have to face...

by now, the planet would be a cinder.

[HughBeaumont]

33. Fucked. Beyond Hope.

Something along these lines, only for reals, yo.

[regnaD kciN]

34. I would, hopefully, be in Prague...

...getting a job teaching English.

[jazzjunkysue]

36. Viet Nam.

I swear, he's still fighting that one.

And every country would have called in our debt. The world never trusted that bastard.

We'd already be standing in bread lines, and he wouldn't care because he's long since lost touch with reality.

War stocks would be up, and the few of us with jobs would be making bullets for 50 cents/hour.

[Orsino]

37. Memos like this one might still be operational, and would of course still be secret.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/187342

In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, the Justice Department secretly gave the green light for the U.S. military to attack apartment buildings and office complexes inside the United States, deploy high-tech surveillance against U.S. citizens and potentially suspend First Amendment freedom-of-the-press rights in order to combat the terror threat, according to a memo released Monday.

Many of the actions discussed in the Oct. 23, 2001, memo to then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's chief lawyer, William Haynes, were never actually taken.

But the memo from the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel—along with others made public for the first time Monday—illustrates with new details the extraordinary post-9/11 powers asserted by Bush administration lawyers. Those assertions ultimately led to such controversial policies as allowing the waterboarding of terror suspects and permitting warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens—steps that remain the subject of ongoing investigations by Congress and the Justice Department. The memo was co-written by John Yoo, at the time a deputy attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel. Yoo, now a professor at the Boalt Hall School of Law at the University of California, Berkeley, has emerged as one of the central figures in those ongoing investigations....

[KingFlorez]

38. As the Spring Awakening Song goes

"Totally F*****"

[SidneyCarton]

44. Moving the family to New Zealand.

[Christa]

45. K & R nt

[Cleita]

46. I know I would be on an airplane out of this country with a one way ticket.

My heart would not take another four years of fascist rule.

[DangerousRhythm]

48. I'm with you.

I know, it seems like a strong reaction but seriously... I'd be terrified with Palin in any position of power. She's a damn nut who really believes her own bullshit. No good could come of that.

[GTO_fan]

49. Screwed n/t

[NoSheep]

50. Canada?

[Sebastian Doyle]

58. Canada wouldn't be safe from Moosealini.

The thought of any non-'Murikkkan land between Alaska and the rest of the US wouldn't make sense to her, so she would have ordered an invasion the day McCain kicked the bucket.

Then she would invade Russia and "watch it from her house".

[Top Cat]

51. There would be more tent cities going up... It would be the end of the America that we love.

[Imagevision]

52. Doubting seriously if McCain would be in the press explaining things like Obama, heck no!

[old mark]

53. Haven't been around much lately - very surprised to see this

thread alive again.
It scared me when I thought of it, and the idea scares me more each day.
I have no use at all for the GOPs, can't stand to even see one on TV, and would not know what to do if one were President right now.

The idea that anyone would seriously propose an airhead like Palin for VP is an insult to the USA, and McCain is not much better.

mark

[FrenchieCat]

54. Up shit's creek with a paddle up our collective asses.

[leftofthedial]

55. costa rica

[bkcc]

56. I don't know where you would be...

but I'd be living in another country.

[Naturyl]

57. Up the creek and looking for a paddle.

War with Iran would probably be in the late stages of planning, if not already into deployment.

[zulchzulu]

59. I'd be polishing up my French since I'd be living in Paris by now

McCain/Palin in the White House would have been enough reason to leave this country and watch it burn from across the pond.