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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 01:59 PM
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Why are these people undermining Obama?
Jack Welch and Warren Buffet both make cable news with interviews very detrimental to Obama, now Andrew Grove (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.php?cid=N00009638&name=grove%2C+andrew&employ=(any+employer)&state=(all)&zip=(any+zip)&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A">Obama supporter in the campaign), former CEO of Intel Corp, comes out with this OP-

...I have found that to succeed, an organization must travel through two phases: first, a period of chaotic experimentation in which intense discussion is allowed, even encouraged, by those in charge. In time, when the chaos becomes unbearable, the leadership reins in chaos with a firm hand. The first phase serves to expose the needs and options, the potential and pitfalls. The organization and its leaders learn a lot going through this phase. But frustration also builds, and eventually the cry is heard: Make a decision -- any decision -- but make it now. The time comes for the leadership to end the chaos and commit to a path.

We have gone through months of chaos experimenting with ways to introduce stability in our financial system. The goals were to allow the financial institutions to do their jobs and to develop confidence in them. I believe by now, the people are eager for the administration to rein in chaos. But this is not happening.

Until the administration does this, we should not embark on attempting to fix another major part of the economy. Our health-care system may well be ripe for a major overhaul, as are our energy and environmental policies. Widespread recognition that all of these reforms are overdue contributed to Barack Obama's victory in November. But if the chaos that resulted from initiating such an overhaul were piled on top of the unresolved status of the financial system, society and government would become exhausted. Instead, the administration must adopt a discipline; not initiating a second wave of chaos before we have a chance to rein in the first.

The point is, all administrations, including this one, have a finite capacity to deal with the details of monumental problems -- and the financial system's troubles certainly are monumental. Equally important is that society has a finite capacity to understand what created the problem, what the likely solutions are going to be and, most important, what can be expected from the new order of things and when.

Leading an organization, let alone a society, out of the chaos phase and into a new order requires explicitly clear and consistent messages from the top. The leader must paint a picture of the new and fill in lots of detail so that all relevant parts of society understand what they need to do to contribute. The answers to the questions "What is wrong?" "What are we going to do?" "How are we going to do it?" and "What should we expect?" should be drummed home relentlessly. This needs to be an ongoing process, where clarity, consistency and repetition are key. It is hard work and requires a laser-like focus on the solution.

First things first. Strive to achieve stability in our financial system. When the momentum is clear enough to allow trust in the system to return, then tackle the next mega-problem. As Machiavelli said, "One change always leaves the way open for the establishment of others."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/10/AR2009031003211.html


It looks like a coordinated effort to kneecap this administration.

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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:01 PM
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1. They are traitors, and wreckers
There is no room in a free America for such talk. They are hurting the American people.
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Venceremos Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:04 PM
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2. Yes, there is no room in a free America
for free speech. How dare they criticize a politician that I like. It's treasonous.

Sound familiar? Sounds creepily similar to Bush supporters the last 8 years.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:08 PM
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5. For Heavens sake
tell me you're being sarcastic. Otherwise you're on the wrong board - try free republic.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:04 PM
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3. If the rich are bitching, he must be doing something right.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:06 PM
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4. The few corporate-fascists that supported Obama are dismayed
....that he is keeping his word to the voters about trying to improve life for the middle/lower classes.

They expected him to be just another politician, one who breaks his word to the average guy after he won, then immediately resumes the pro-corporate policies.

Its the same sentiment that causes the MSM to try to blame Obama for the stock market after only 50 days in office.
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:11 PM
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6. I'm pretty sure I read a recent Krugman piece that said about the same
I'll find it and post a link.
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:13 PM
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7. Here it is...
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/opinion/06krugman.html?_r=3

I don't know what to think when the criticism becomes consistent on both sides of the political spectrum.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:18 PM
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9. Remember
Both party's have a history of being on the side of the corporations over the people.

Its more pronounced on the GOP side, but you dont rub elbows with the rich and powerful like Krugman and not be influenced by their political ideology in some way.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:21 PM
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I forgot about Krugman,
he was also an Obama supporter for president.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:14 PM
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8. Sorry: I thought you meant the three so-called "moderate" Republicans Senators who ....

took the "stimulus" out of the recently passed stimulus bill.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:20 PM
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10. This op-ed sounds like more bullshit. They want us to put off healthcare and Renewable Energy
NO. We can do it all
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:21 PM
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11. This isn't undermining Obama, it's someone outlining an approach
From the OP article:

I have found that to succeed, an organization must travel through two phases: first, a period of chaotic experimentation in which intense discussion is allowed, even encouraged, by those in charge. In time, when the chaos becomes unbearable, the leadership reins in chaos with a firm hand. The first phase serves to expose the needs and options, the potential and pitfalls. The organization and its leaders learn a lot going through this phase. But frustration also builds, and eventually the cry is heard: Make a decision -- any decision -- but make it now. The time comes for the leadership to end the chaos and commit to a path.

<...>

First things first. Strive to achieve stability in our financial system. When the momentum is clear enough to allow trust in the system to return, then tackle the next mega-problem. As Machiavelli said, "One change always leaves the way open for the establishment of others."

The first point is advocating that Obama run the country like CEO, and that isn't always practical, especially given the state of corporate America.

The next point proves as much: "then tackle the next mega-problem." Is he suggesting Obama do one thing at a time when the "House on Fire"?



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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:23 PM
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12. I didn't read th OP as an endorsement of Obama
and his priorities. Did you?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:25 PM
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13. Was it supposed to be? n/t
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-11-09 02:29 PM
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14. nevermind
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