I'm Sorry to Announce....

[FrenchieCat]

He never said that he was perfect, in fact he always said that he wasn't.
His supporters also never said that he was perfect,
although they were accused of it.

He never said he was the Messiah.
His supporters also never said he was the Messiah,
those were his distractors and his enemies who called him that.

He never was an empty suit,
although he was accused of it.

He never said that he was left, right, center...
He said he was a pragmatic progressive who would use common sense.

He never said that he was going to be everything to everybody,
and he said that he wouldn't always tell us what we wanted to hear.

He never said that he wasn't going to make mistakes,
in fact, he said he was sure he'd make a few,
and he always said that he would listen to all sides in order to find common ground,
without compromising his own beliefs.

He always said that he supported teacher merit pay (just not in the traditional sense),
that he would wind down the Iraq war (after speaking to the generals on the ground),
that he would take the fight to Afghanistan (but review the objectives and make a review),

He said that he would fix our economy (but that it would take time),
and provide us with universal health care (but he didn't run on single payer),
and make the government more transparent, and reverse the tax cuts to the rich.


It is a fact that he ran on Change,
But I'm sorry to announce,
that he will need more than 60 motherfucking days.

[tkmorris]

1. You know, that's a great post

And honestly, I am liking Obama, and yes he does need more than 60 days.

The trouble is you will always be Obama's biggest fan here. You lack objectivity in this regard, and thus your posts about him cannot be taken seriously. I am getting the distinct impression you would praise him no matter what he does, so when you do praise him, it falls flat. As do your defenses against criticism. If some observers feel that his supporters regard him as some sort of messiah, it may well be your posts that have inspired them to think so. I'm sorry, I do like Obama, but I am unwilling to have the unshakable faith that you display. I will judge each action he takes on it's own merits, just as I would anyone else.

So far, while not perfect, he isn't doing too bad viewed in that fashion.

[quickesst]

4. That's just a little wonky....

"You lack objectivity in this regard, and thus your posts about him cannot be taken seriously."

That's what you say to someone stating facts? Illogical. The people taking the opposite view Frenchie has are the ones who cannot be taken seriously. Oh, and those who believe stating facts shows a "lack of objectivity." Thanks.
quickesst

[Brazenly Liberal]

6. Looks like you're the one with an objectivity problem

Frenchie's post was a list of facts. Say what you like about your "impression" of her general attitude toward the man, but refusing to take facts seriously because of it shows YOU to be lacking objectivity.

And really now -- holding Frenchie Cat singularly responsible for the big load of Messiah bullshit on the right is flattering to her (such power! such influence!) but it is a little bit ridiculous. It must be that little objectivity problem you have causing you to make absurd accusations.

[Brazenly Liberal]

9. And let me add this

8 long years of Bush crap has left too many Democrats too willing, even eager, to see ourselves as victims. Everyone is viewed with a jaundiced eye, asking "Okay, looks good, now how is s/he gonna screw me?" President Obama's failure to fulfill 100% of his campaign promises, save the economy, save the world, and build a better mousetrap his first week in office was enough to start the wailing and gnashing of teeth and it's only gotten worse. And anyone who wants to give the guy a chance is shouted down as a mindless groupie.

THAT is NOT objective. That is not productive. That is not what we need. That's not what anybody needs.

[Jackpine Radical]

49. OK, OK. Maybe he can't do all that in one week.

I'm giving him two months.

Two. Whole. Months. Then if anything's still left undone I'm gonna TANTRUM, do you hear me? I'm gonna hold my breath until my face turns BLUE. And then maybe I'll hit my head against the wall. Over and over. Bang, bang, bang until I make you crazy.

[Brazenly Liberal]

78. See that?

I knew we could be reasonable. :rofl:

[damonm]

But I want my damn unicorn NOW!

:P

[Brazenly Liberal]

79. Sorry. Unicorns are on backorder

Will you settle for a lopsided goat?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. This is satire, right?

[tangent90]

66. I assume the OP was.

:shrug:

[Louis-Emmanuel]

14. I agree, tk

I agree, tkmorris

Some get really angry when the minimum error on the President's part is observed. Said behavior feeds the perception that he is seen as a Messiah.

[JuniperLea]

72. He only seems like the Messiah...

Because of the last guy who held the job.

That perception is going to be there regardless.

[Two Americas]

174. maybe, eh?

People did personalized the right wing nightmare the last administration caused as being all about Bush. He was a handy foil. Maybe that is why he was so effective?

So I guess it makes sense that after hating Bush, loving Obama seems like the "solution" to people, the right stance to take. Of course it makes them into mirror images of the most ardent Bush loyalists, and it cripples the new administration.


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[Clio the Leo]

20. You know it's like that old wrestler Rick Flair used to say...

... "Still the best thing going today! Whew!!!" :)

Here's my philosophy. The man is not perfect .... but he is still a MUCH MUCH MUCH better alternative than anyone else out there. I truly believe we are living in an historic time. We'll be able to tell future generations that we were alive when Obama was President. Whatever it is he's got ... he's got it by the truck load.

Until someone comes along who can do things BETTER than he can, someone who's better at getting people into a room to work on things, someone more compassionate, someone better apt to communicate his message to the American people, someone with a greater desire to learn and understand the problem at hand, I'm not gonna criticize him unnecessarily. There's a reason why he's the President and I'm not. He's more capable of leading this country than I am, otherwise, I'd have run.

If you have someone in mind who is more capable of leading this country starting in 2013, I'll certainly give them some consideration.

[BrklynLiberal]

81. THANKS!! You just gave me an answer in a crossword puzzle!!

The clue was "Pro wrestler Flair" and I had no idea...But he must have spelled his n ame Ric because there are only 3 squares for the answer. I got the "I" in the middle from the across clue. :D
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[The Doctor.]

98. Wow... Serendipity, or Superconscious guidance....

You decide!

:evilgrin: O8)

[treestar]

55. Doesn't matter who makes the point

60 days is still only 60 days.

[Bette Noir]

64. That was uncalled for.

Obama's doing good. Frenchie says Obama's doing good. You say Obama's doing good. Then you say Frenchie's a cultist, and not credible.

Did you eat a big bowl of nasty for breakfast?

[Two Americas]

176. not true

The other member was critical, yes, but did not do any name-calling or make any personal attacks.

They did not say that "Frenchie's a cultist." Here we have an example of this convoluted logic that is causing all of this uproar around this issue. Accusing people of accusing others of being a cultist - even when they did not. "if I attack you, and you object, you are attacking me!"

The feuds start when someone accuses others of being traitors to the cause, of having nefarious and hidden motives, etc. When the people being attacked object to that, they are not attacking they are defending themselves from the worst sort of character assassination and personal attacks. If they go overboard, it is because it is very difficult to defend yourself from charges that you have a secret hidden agenda. How could one prove that you do not?

This logic is a close cousin to the "reverse racism" arguments of the right wing - turning things upside down and backward. The "accusing of accusing of accusing" discussions are just a cat chasing its own tail. It is some sort of insanity, and I blame the relentless right wing propaganda for this. The best thing people can do to overcome it is to disconnect from the MSM for a few weeks until their heads clear a little. They are being whipped into a frenzy watching that crap, and that makes it hard to have any discussions.


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[JuniperLea]

71. Speak for yourself

Everything FC has said here is true, so why piss in the Wheaties of another needlessly? If you are so sure she posts nothing but fan worship, then you could have been a little more clever and waited for something that actually smacked of such.

[mkultra]

111. Ill fall on this grenade of stupidity

she isn't his biggest, I am. Just for your reference, under your contrived principles, your posts regarding whoever your a fan of will also, then, be ill placed and questionable. Im sure you will hide your favorite and claim none to appear and intellectual independent. That would really only make you a fence sitter though.

[mahina]

114. Ahem.

"...you will always be Obama's biggest fan here"

I'm offended.

Nice going Frenchie, K & R.

[HughMoran]

124. Well, your objectivity has also been set into clear focus as well

Pretty lame post.

[hraka]

161. The "messiah" complex

It wasn't "his supporters" who labeled him a messiah, it was people making fun of his message of hope. I don't know about his previous posts re: Obama, but this one is right on.

[Two Americas]

173. not true

People talking about the "messiah" complex are not talking about nor criticizing Obama. They are talking about the way some Obama supporters behave.

There are people who are hiding behind Obama, and refuse to take responsibility for their own statements and behavior, and falsely call that "support" for Obama. This is a misuse of the President for personal emotional reasons, and does him and all of us a great disservice. They claim that anyone who disagrees with THEM is actually attacking Obama.


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[flor de jasmim]

3. Very well said! It's what so many have forgotten --

Years ago I noticed that the signs of my childhood "while U wait" had been replaced by "instant", "no waiting", etc. -- we're all in a "rush to judgment" that is counterproductive to our ultimate needs. I keep wanting to say CHILL OUT, PEOPLE (if anyone still says that!), so thanks for doing exactly that, in such a beautiful fashion.

[Kind of Blue]

5. Well, thanks a motherfucking lot

for saying so. Bravo! Sheesh. It amazes me that a Messiah is just who so many expect after 8 motherfucking years of truly Anti-Christ like destruction. I agree with criticizing Obama but the amount from both sides in just 60days is motherfucking ridiculous. It's difficult, hard work to create long lasting effective work but takes no time to destroy it. We chose the right man for the right job.

[FrenchieCat]

80. You are motherfucking welcomed!

:P

[WeDidIt]

7. I'm sorry to announce

that it's obvious a lot of people around here are still fighting the primaries.

I'm sorry to announce I've had to start using the ignore feature again for the first time since the primaries.

I'm sorry to announce that a lot of bitter people have wiggled their way into an opening to try and bring down Obama because their hatred outweighs the needs of the nation.

I'm sorry to announce that if a poster chides me for this post and I don't respond, they should read the above three points carefully.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

57. You forgot one:

I'm sorry to announce that it is now more abundantly clear than ever that a very large portion of DEMOCRATICUnderground are not Democrats at all.

[closeupready]

60. Can say THAT again.

n/t

[HughMoran]

131. Same here

I've given the one's you describe enough rope.

[Two Americas]

175. that is malicious

You are insinuating that people who disagree with you have the worst possible motives, and suggesting that we should all be suspicious and antagonistic to those who express any reservations about anything the administration does. That is highly malicious and suppressive and politically reactionary.

I would suggest that people so aggressively and desperately trying to shut down any and all critical commentary are not really protecting the President, but are protecting their own feelings.


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[ejpoeta]

8. good post. people seem to forget the guy has not been in office that long.

He has done so much since he stepped into the president role. But to some it will never be enough. And sure, he never said he was perfect. And I always knew he couldn't please everyone all of the time. I have had my doubts about a few things. But I always look at the source. The MSM has their own agenda, and they are not known for worrying about facts. And they like to twist things too. I am not saying that they couldn't have any valid points, but I don't trust what they say.

Thanks for reminding us what we voted for and what we didn't vote for. And that we do need to give Obama some time to try to fix things. He was left a big heaping pile of manure on his desk and he isn't going to be able to get rid of it in one swipe.

[Mira]

10. Excellent post - President Obama has not even been in office long enough

for me to really believe this miracle has happened. I still pinch myself when I see him talk to us, and when I can tell he is working for us against great odds.
In my neck of the woods the fighting against the great backwash goes on unabated.
I get weary of it, but it is imperative to sow seeds under the damn snow so more of them wake up.

Thanks Frenchie. Well said.
Bookmarked and recommended.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

12. Well said FC.

[JohnnyLib2]

13. The "honeymoon" concept has always made sense to me.

And at this point in time, it also seems sensible to anticipate a shorter honeymoon. Adjustments in expectations are part of the process; stay tuned.

[Adelante]

15. That's right nt

[countingbluecars]

16. Good post.

K&R

[tomp]

17. obamaphilia strikes again. see your doctor right away!

though i'm afraid it's too late.

[Barb in Atl]

156. If there's a cure for this...

I don't want it! I don't want it.

(sorry, couldn't resist)

I agree with Frenchie, by the way.

[tomp]

187. i love my disease-one definition of mental illness. nt

[Celebration]

18. he always said he would make mistakes

That's true!! And, any President would make mistakes.

And I certainly agree with him on that.

I happen to think he made a huge mistake by not putting the London "investment" unit of AIG under a separated government sponsored receivership. It's a mistake, and I'm pretty convinced that time is not going to alter my opinion on that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. FIRE GEITHNER IMMEDIATELY!!!! YAAAARGH!!!!

:sarcasm:

There are many people on this board that I definitely wouldn't want to be stuck in a foxhole with. The panic factor is palpable and embarrassing.

[Clio the Leo]

21. See this just proves what I wrote earlier...

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8268529&mesg_id=8268828

25 recs as of this writing. Loud doesn't always mean popular. There are more of us who agree with you (and the notion that the President is doing ok in spite of things) here Frenchie than not. ;)

[Louis-Emmanuel]

24. And popular doesn't always mean right

I disagree with the notion that the soundness of an opinion can be measured by the number of recs.

[Clio the Leo]

25. lol, yeah, you probably would.

Anyway, I probably wasn't clear.

My point is not that an opinion is CORRECT because it's popular, but that most pro-Obama posts here, which I believe are supported by the majority of folks here, lurking or otherwise, are also representative of the nation as a whole.

No, popular doesn't always mean CORRECT, but in this instance, it does. ;)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

62. How is he not frozen pizza yet?

I know the mods are probably working overtime lately, but good god this guy's a train wreck.

[JTFrog]

166. I was wondering the same thing and just had to check again cuz I caught that wif of Pepperoni. n/t

[acmavm]

167. No, those of us who still have an intellect to work with this read these threads

and chuckle with amusement at how much DU's official Obama Fan Club will meekly accept. And how they're more than willing to give up their right to speak up when this administration makes horrible appointments or pushes a corporate agenda that is pretty much supportive of the same people the last administration claimed as 'their constitutents'.

You can give up your right to think or to protest, but you have a lot of nerve telling anyone else that they have to do the same. If I recall correctly it wasn't just the Bots that put him in office. And we didn't give up our right to speak up when this administration screws up big time when we voted.

[cali]

22. I'm sorry to announce that I think you're being quasi-hysterical

over a very, very small minority of blowhards.

[BeFree]

26. Of course, minority of blowhards

But they are representative of a large minority of those who hold to anti-democratic principles.

And yes, they do flock together whether they like it or not. They are our enemies and this is war. Friends of our enemies are our enemies. Don't ever shrink from taking them down.

[Schema Thing]

52. Well we've certainly seen what a small minority of blowhards can do to our country

for lo these past 16 years.

[Stargazer09]

23. Cheers!

You are absolutely right!

[TayTay]

27. And he is being given the time

And I'm sorry that the return to a functioning Democracy, led by someone who values free speech and the opinions of others and who explicitly said that he didn't want to be surrounded by "yes men" is so painful.

Many of us worked hard for Barack Obama. I think he is doing a very good job so far. I also have some disagreements with things he and his staff/cabinet have done or proposed. That doesn't negate the fact that I think he is doing a very good job.

The President is attempting to bring about change, one of the hardest things there is to do. It is going to engender criticism, criticism that he is more than able to handle. (He specifically asked for dissent and criticism during his campaign in order to keep him honest and engaged with the people.)

We all have to grow a thicker skin and realize that the functioning Democracy we all wanted is coming back. Democracy is a messy system, full of disagreements and multiple viewpoints and so forth. But it is exactly what a lot of us wanted. We placed our trust in a man who we also felt valued diversity of opinions. In that, I have not been disappointed.

[flyarm]

28. without questioning..we are not a democracy

-without thinking .. based on reality..we are not a democracy

-when we shout someone down for legitimate questions..we are not a democracy

-without truth..we are not a democracy

-when some of us have our votes stolen..in front of everyone's eyes..we are not a democracy

-when one thinks only their opinions matter ( get that op?) ..we are not a democracy

when one states that ..they "man the boards"..what freaking nerve ( OP? )..and that is not a democracy!

I don't give a damn who is president..I will question them all and always have ..that is my job..that is my responsibility..to my constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you can call me any damn thing you want..my responsibility is not to you..but to future generations, that they are lucky enough to live under the Constitution I have known..and that people before me fought to defend and protect...many with life and limb.

No one man stands above the constitution and I will question each and everyone who is my employee in the Government of the United States of America!..That includes every president! and his or her staff and cabinet.

fly



must see video!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxVByLm7CzE

[mkultra]

113. your missing the target by miles

constructive disagreement is the false shelter of the anti-obama movement. Its hardly every constructive much like this post. Contrary only for the purpose of remaining contrary. This is similar to joining a small societal clique and then turning your nose up at those who are part of the larger clique.

[Two Americas]

170. no evidence for that

There is no evidence that dissent is a front for a nefarious agenda. Those who would suppress freedom of speech have always said this, throughout history.

"Don't get me wrong, it is not that I oppose freedom of speech, it is just that 'those people' are hiding behind freedom of speech to promote an agenda."

Freedom of speech is never a "false shelter."

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[mkultra]

182. your right

in this case its a true shelter for latent hatred.

[Deep13]

29. You mean he's going to become even MORE awesome?!

Holy shit!

[4lbs]

30. Where's my pie? He promised me pie!

And a Red Ryder BB gun.

Oh, and that GI Joe with the Kung-Fu grip.

Wait, Christmas isn't here yet.

He failed.

[Uzybone]

31. beautifully said.

[cwcwmack]

32. A++++++++++++ n/t

[JimGinPA]

33. BULLSHIT!!!

I was promised a pony!





:evilgrin:




K&R

[jenmito]

34. Exactly! K&R.

:hi:

[fascisthunter]

35. Sorry to tell this, but NOBODY Stated He was Supposed to be Perfect

either. Criticizing a President for particular reasons does not mean those criticizing him expect "perfection. All you are doing is lowering the bar because you have become a fan rather than a citizen or concerned voter. What a shame...

We live in some serious times and have no more room for the excuses... sorry.

[polichick]

37. I agree - we don't need gushing fans; we need vigilant citizens.

[fascisthunter]

39. and THAT is what Obama asked from us

This thread is more about bashing those who criticize him rather than about criticism. Talk about calling members out..

[AlCzervik]

41. i agree, i like Obama a lot, i disagree with him on some issues and i understand he's

imperfect and he's going to make mistakes but i also suspect he wants people to voice their opinions and not just go along, i think just agreeing with him on everything would disappoint him.

[treestar]

56. But cutting Obama down in what is supposed to be the

honeymoon period is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Jumping to assume the worst shows one has not gotten the concept that Obama is not Bush, for whom the worst could be assumed.

[polichick]

63. Vigilant citizens here are questioning what's going on, not cutting Obama down...

It's exactly what he asked supporters to do ~ get involved and stay involved was the idea. That means questioning when things don't make sense. I've spoken with people in three Senate offices today about the stripping of a critical amendment from the Economic Recovery Package. If we're really going to change the way things are done, shaking pom poms isn't enough.

[mkultra]

115. negative, yoru using the argument as political cover for your sentiments.

[Two Americas]

172. not fair

You are insinuating that the other member has hidden motives or a nefarious agenda. That is character assassination, and is attacking the messenger rather than responding to the message.

[mkultra]

183. i guess free speech cuts both ways.

and that's exactly what im saying.

[Two Americas]

171. no it isn't

Civil Rights agitation increased when JFK and LBJ were in office.

Abolition agitation increased in the 1850s when Republicans got into office.

Labor agitation increased when FDR was in office.

This is the way it should be, the way it has always been, and will always be.

Trying to fight this, to hold back the tide, is what is "cutting off your nose to spite your face." It is the greatest threat to the potential success of the new administration.

I think the MSM is defining what "support" and "loyalty" are for people, in a very shallow and brittle way, and in a way that leads many to be on the wrongness side of history, to take the conservative position, and to aid the revival of the right wing. It is leading people to attack the strongest and most outspoken among us, those who Are our best allies in the battle against the right wing.

The MSM is luring people into taking positions against the left wing, and convincing them that this is the opposite of that - that it is the way to fight the right wing. This is so convoluted and illogical that it is not working for people, hence they have to keep repeating and repeating the same simplistic talking points about "loyalty" to Obama - as though repeating them and repeating them will make them true, or resolve the inherent conflict in their minds.

People defend this false construct about the disloyal critics, the "traitors to the cause," as though their life depended upon that, and feel a great deal of discomfort about the subject. They then imagine that they are being "persecuted" or personally attacked when their illogical and reactionary ideas are challenged. They can't see that others are reacting to their attacks, rather than attacking them.

I challenge everyone here who feels this way, who is worried about critics hurting the cause to do this - stay completely away from the MSM for 30 days. I do not believe that you will still be talking this position after doing that.



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[Louis-Emmanuel]

40. That he is not perfect is a strawman used often

Since like you said, nobody who criticized him ever said he was.

[mkultra]

117. the criticism is healthy dissent is also a strawman.

Most of the dissent is really against those who love him instead of against Obama himself.

[OwnedByFerrets]

53. Thank you, but you do realize that now you TOO are on the

shit list.:rofl:

[road2000]

36. I agree with you.

And so does my 90-year-old lifelong Republican mother, who voted for Obama.

[nichomachus]

38. Breaking: DU rebrands as "Obama Fan Site" -- All Things Obama All the Time

No criticism allowed. Only gushing fans needs apply.

Obama can do no wrong. Obama is better than Bush, which is a free pass to do anything he wants.

Sheesh.

[countingbluecars]

42. Have you been reading here lately?

It's hardly an "Obama Fan Site". Quite the contrary.

[nichomachus]

54. But some people want it to be

We can post cute pictures of the kids -- posts about "Oh, this is making me cry," with photos of Obama doing something or other, gushing praise for Michelle's outfits. But if you dare to suggest that maybe Tim Geithner wasn't the best possible choice for Treasury, then you're an "Obama hater" who is angry that he won and who wishes that McCain had gotten in instead.

Give me a break.

[countingbluecars]

61. I would think that anyone

who has been around here for a while can tell the difference between posts that sincerely question policy and those that are posted by people who want Obama to fail. As to the cute pictures of kids etc. I love them. Why do they bother you?

[Two Americas]

180. doubt that

Especially since some are always trying to blur the lines and confuse people, by making broad brushed attacks with vague and generalized hints and insinuations about any and all critics of anything the administration does.

"Want Obama to fail" - if you think there are people here who secretly want "Obama to fail" and that you can divine who those people are, I would suggest that you cannot tell what is going on.

No one (for all practical purposes) wants Obama to fail. That is a product of over-heated imaginations and too much immersion in various MSM narratives.

No one is particularly bothered by "cute pictures of kids" and the like, but they are bothered by the ugly and malicious intolerance that often underlies that nicey-nice stuff.

Love him to pieces, but don't use him to beat up on others just for the sake of protecting your own fantasies from anything that doesn't reinforce and support them. Not saying that you are doing that necessarily, but there are some here who are and that os what the feuding is about.

Now, why does what I am saying here bother some people?


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[Two Americas]

177. yes and no

I think the majority of people here have a healthy understanding about how politics works, and don't see critical commentary as dangerous or harmful, let alone as disloyalty or part of some imaginary secret nefarious agenda. They are not madly in love with any politician, but nor are they hating or trying to tear down any politician.

But can there be any doubt in the world that there are an aggressive and relentless few who most definitely think that the best way to support the administration is to be a fan club, and who are attacking everyone who objects to that?

I don't know how anyone can deny that this is the case. The people promoting this doctrine say it straight out - we should all "get behind" the President, should all cut him slack, should all be suspicious of anyone expressing anything other than praise and affection.

This is all right out in the open. Of course the people promoting this doctrine want to do it and still have us believe that they are not. "It is not that I am saying people can't be critical BUT...." That is true as far as it goes. What they mean is "don't listen to anyone who says anything that I decide is critical."

It is so transparent and obvious, that people's minds are getting twisted into knots trying to deny and defend it.



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[tangent90]

67. Sure looks that way.

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[HughMoran]

127. Are you being serious?

Please tell me that you are being facetious.

[yellerpup]

43. Every bit true, Frenchie.

Patience please for the plans to work. We are the ones we have been waiting for. K&R! :dem: :dem: :dem:

[rug]

44. He did say he was going to end the war.

[The Wielding Truth]

48. I still believe that he is working on it. It's not to be immediate pull out.

[rug]

65. Ok, as long as he's working on it.

[Peacetrain]

45. Great Post..and to the point

:fistbump:

[wroberts189]

46. KNR n/t

[EFerrari]

47. If these sentiments didn't work the first 499 times you posted them,

why do you expect them to work this time?

[BeFree]

68. EF

It is a basic tenet that the American sheeple must be told time and again before it sinks in.

So, if it takes another 499 times, then that's what it takes. Now, for those not asleep, it only took a few repetitions before it sank in that Change is happening, the rest of them - if we have to pound it into their heads a 1,000 times - well, lets do it. Don't be afraid, just do it.

[EFerrari]

73. I love you guys but berating is not a teaching tool. n/t

[BeFree]

75. So what is?

Is moaning and groaning gonna teach the sheeple anything but moan and groan?

So what do you say to those who read the whacked out BS about Obama, in order to teach them that what they are reading is wrong?

[EFerrari]

107. As soon as you tell people that what they care about is wrong, you lose.

When you do that over and over again, you lose people.

Frenchie Cat was up until the wee hours last night posting this same thing and when it didn't work, she told me she was going to take a break.

Taking a break might be better than to continue to alienate people who basically agree with you.

[HughMoran]

134. "As soon as you tell people that what they care about is wrong, you lose."

Ummmmm...

[EFerrari]

158. Oy vey. Two different things. Example.

I think Obama is right. (what a supporter cares about, an opinion)

Shut up about Obama. (An aggressive assertion)

Skinner could make a bundle giving a basic Comm class around here.

[AlCzervik]

105. .....

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt

[dflprincess]

119. That quote was only valid while Bush was president

now we're suppose to just mindlessly follow Obama - even though he said he didn't want that.

[AlCzervik]

122. that's exactly it isn't it? I think Obama would be disappointed if we all just went along.

i really do.

[HughMoran]

133. 104 recs and counting might be considered "working"

Why are you attempting to suppress her right to express herself on DU? :think:

[NanceGreggs]

50. Excellent post, FC!!!

:applause: :patriot:

:kick: & REC'D!!!

[FlyingSquirrel]

51. Love ya Frenchie

It's a bit sad (to me) that you have become so obsessed with making sure an internet forum "thinks right", BUT very admirable that you put so much of yourself into it and never give up. And you have had some successes against the MSM, too, which is actually the real battle.

NGU

[Suprk]

58. Thank you Frenchie

While I would never be able to express myself in the way you did, your words spoke to exactly what I feel

[leftstreet]

69. IT'S ONLY A FOUR YEAR ADMINISTRATION !!11111!!!111

C'mon people, where's the unity?

Where's the hope?

Give me your change.

:rofl:

[PVnRT]

70. That strawman is getting old. You need a new one.

Few expected perfection from Obama. Criticizing him when he does something we disagree with is not whining how he's not perfect.

Just come right out and admit that you want all criticism of Obama banned from this site, you'll feel better.

[FrenchieCat]

77. A warning to you - Please do not put words in my mouth......

and let me just state my take on what I read as calculated disingenuousness on your part,
by pointing out that many posters at DU have accused those who supported Barack Obama first,
and/or most visibly and positively during the primaries, the election, post election,
and in these last nearly 60 days, including myself,
of being apologists, cultists, worshipers, swooners,
of putting up a straw man, abridging the freedom of speech of others,
etc., etc., etc....
It has even happened in this thread.

Also, I disagree with your point in reference to what people expect.
I do believe that there are some who may not say it literally,
but do act in a manner reserved for those who do expect perfection from Barack Obama,
regardless of your denials.

There has been many DU threads here that proves that,
as anything he does and say is held up to microscopic scrutiny,
and that when he does good for our collective cause much of it goes ignored,
by many of the usual suspects, who line up in glee in threads
detailing what they believe he hasn't done right.

When a topic about who Barack Obama chooses for a invocation prayer,
outnumbers threads about his signing up for a U.N. declaration
calling for the worldwide decriminalization of homosexuality by 1,000 to 2,
(here's my thread on that from when it was first announced. 6 responses
is what I got - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8268529&mesg_id=8268529 )
it is fairly clear that any imperfection perceived by the usual suspects
is fair game to call out Barack Obama as Bush lite, homophobic, not representative of change,
etc...

In fact, it is well known in these parts,
that posting a picture thread on Barack Obama or his wife Michelle,
can earn one the name of "FAN" from the Haters (and yes, that's what I call them)
just because name calling those who support this President appears to be
something to be enjoyed and respected.

[BrklynLiberal]

82. YESSSSSS!!!!!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[BeFree]

83. Truth!!

Such a rare commodity these days.

You go, Frenchie!

[Hekate]

74. Brava, Frenchie. Thank you.

:applause:

[polmaven]

76. Oh, but, but...haven't you HEARD????

He is trying to do TOO MUCH AT ONE TIME!!!!!

Which, in my opinion is...."HAAALP! We gotta slow him down! He is showing us up! He might be a success! SLOW HIM DOWN!

[berni_mccoy]

84. Thank you Frenchie! K&R! AWESOME POST!

[rufus dog]

85. You go Frenchie!

tough times/situations separate the talkers from the doers.

Fear quickly takes over the talkers and they cover their positions.

[Catchawave]

86. I'll give him 100 !

http://bloghopenchangery.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/good-griefhow-do-you-explain-obama/

:toast:

[graywarrior]

87. You said it better than I could

[pollo poco]

88. I love our new president

He makes me so proud! I think he is an incredible, brilliant, inspiring person.
He has done amazing things in the short time he has been in office.
I am so relieved that he was elected. He is restoring dignity to the office, and to the country.
I don't expect him to be perfect. But I don't agree with him on everything. Am I a hater?

We are all part of President Obama's process. He encourages lively debate. So isn't lively debate a form of support? Barack Obama welcomes debate, and goes to great lengths to listen to people who don't agree with him. He expects people to disagree, and takes that in stride. He wants us to discuss everything. He wants us to participate in the perfecting of our nation.

I hope we run far and fast from the dark days when people's patriotism was impugned for disagreeing with the president. That is republican stuff!

Barack Obama is better than that. Can we rise to his example?

[Brucie Kibbutz]

91. excellent post

"I hope we run far and fast from the dark days when people's patriotism was impugned for disagreeing with the president. That is republican stuff!"

:patriot:

[politicasista]

181. Bingo and excellent post

Our President and First Fady are doing a very good job so far. :) We are going to agree and disagree with some of the things PO does. He likes this. He wants this. We have to want it too. :)

[NeedleCast]

89. K&R, Great Post

[MzShellG]

90. Bullseye!!!

FrenchieCat, you're right on target as usual. Some of our dems are drinking the rightwing koolaid.

[Butch350]

92. Ain't that the truth FrenchieCat!!

[quickesst]

93. Just an opinion..

..but more than a few "critics" do not seem to be able to make the distinction between support base upon logic and facts, and blind worship. Or maybe they do.:evilfrown: Thanks.
quickesst

[jeff30997]

94. I'm Sorry to Announce...

That I don't disagree with a single thing you said in your post.

OK.I'm lying.In fact I'm not sorry at all. :)

[40ozDonkey]

95. 60 days, no kidding. Bush wouldve racked up 2 weeks vacation by now. n/t

[SeeHopeWin]

96. I LOVE YOU MAN.....:)

Or woman!

[Top Cat]

97. Thanks Frenchie... Kick

[noiretextatique]

99. you t.b.'s are becoming as unglued as the wacky rw eom

[HughMoran]

128. bye

[ColbertWatcher]

100. And yet ...

... I'm watching Obama speak in California right now and people are chanting his name.

Is he not the President of all of the United States? I hope one day we can take back the U.S.A! chant from the GOP.

People keep chanting his name as if they believe all the GOP shit about him being a messiah.

Stop it people.

[McCamy Taylor]

101. "Obama is running the perfect campaign" If I had a nickel for every time

someone at DU posted that little piece of insanity, I would be a rich woman. Jimmy Carter ran as Jesus Christ reincarnated and the public was not amused when his promise of transformative change was not fulfilled. Obama knew the risks when he ran as the new Jimmy Carter. For those who are not old enough to remember, Carter entered office with lots of public support after he ran on his "Leader for a change" campaign which promised honesty, transparency---and an end to the recession brought about by the previous GOP administration . Instead, Carter ended up being blamed for the recession he inherited by a hostile press. Obama needs to be careful not to repeat history.

[Two Americas]

102. turn off cable

This is going to drive you nuts.

No one us doing what you claim they are doing and that you are relentlessly fighting against. It is all a MSM lie.


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[firedupdem]

103. Excellent Post Frenchie! n/t

[Political Heretic]

104. Coming from anyone else, I might give a shit...

But you've managed to convince me that Obama could shit on your mother and stab your child and you'd still sing his praises.

First it was its just been a week, then a month, then two months.... next it will be six months then its only been a year, then his first term isn't even half over... then it will be he'll get to it when he's reelected.....and on and on.

How about instead.. you let the rest of us hold his feet to the fire. Stop being defensive and protective when we demand follow through from our leaders, and when we pressure them.

Obama doesn't need a fucking FAN CLUB frenchie... he needs a bunch of grumpy bastards who will never stop talking about what we want him to be doing or demanding to know why he hasn't done it yet.

[boston bean]

108. here, here!

:toast:

[Louis-Emmanuel]

120. Spoken like a true Progressive

Your first sentence was funny. Maybe a bit over the top but Frenchie curses at people on a regular basis too.

[Political Heretic]

147. Thanks! It's what progressives are SUPPOSED to do.

I don't know where along the line some of us got the idea that we should all be a big cult of personality fan club rather than do our jobs as progressive citizens and hold our elected leaders feet to the fire.

I believe if Obama were ever to talk with us face to face, he'd be thanking ME and not Frenchie for what I'm advocating we do as responsible members of our constitutional democracy.

[BklnDem75]

121. and then what?

Didn't we do this before? People criticized and criticized and what was the result? We grew complacent and as a result, we got 8 years of hell for it. A guy who was much better for the position wasn't elected because we kept telling ourselves there was no difference between the two candidates. So we're back to criticizing again and not only do you think it's fair to criticize, you want to piss on any thread that shows any inkling of support.

So think long and hard about what your intentions are, because in the end, if you succeed, I doubt you're gonna like the end result.

[Political Heretic]

149. That's a false chain if I ever saw one

The "result" of "criticism" was not that we "grew complacent."

There's an apples to oranges difference between holding an ELECTED official accountable, and ADOVCATING FOR WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE DONE, including criticizing when what you want to see done is not being done, especially when something contradicts either shared progressive values or promises from the elected official - big difference between that and choosing to not vote for a candidate.

If Obama was running for releection today I'd be campaigning and voting for him. Thus your comparison is flawed.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being actively involved in the terms of our elected officials and advocating, adovacting, adovcating that they do more and compromise less. If we don't remind them of what we think are good decisions and whate we feel are bad compromises or inappropriate omissions - WHO FUCKING WILL?

Its our job. How on earth can you not get this?

Finally, I don't want to piss on any thread that shows support - I barely get involved in these threads save for some the most extreme of examples. In fact, I'm regularly one of the ones SHOWING my support for many of the steps that our President has taken so far!

But I'll never surrender my responsibility to be a progressive gadfly, a critic, someone demanding the very best from our elected leaders - especially when they are people who I believe would actually listen, and who sincerely want to do the right things. It's what we should all be doing.

If we were all a little bit more like Helen Thomas-es and a little less like Bridget the cheerleader, the world would be a much much better place!

[Clio the Leo]

123. And that is why we have the GOP.

He doesn't need that from BOTH sides.

[Political Heretic]

146. That's the most ass ignorant thing I've ever heard.

Are you fucking serious?

We have the GOP to be idiots.

We have US to be advocates for the people's business, for our interests, for social justice and equality. We have US because we're smart enough to understand that politics isn't about "liking people" or whether or not people are "good" at heart. I KNOW Obama is good at heart. I LIKE the man.

But there are millions of ways in which good people that we like can get sidetracked from the people's business, or have different priorities, or make choices that don't represent our interests. Our system only works when the people who supported the principles and ideas of a candidate then continue to push him to stay true to those ideals oncie elected, once all the other pressures of everyone and everything in washington come to bear on that person.

"That's what we have the GOP for" - wow. I think not.

Do you even think about what you post? You just literally implied that our role as the public is to sit around and wave pom poms for the president.... :crazy:

[frylock]

138. word up

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

106. you mean he wasn't born in a manger?

well there goes a new holiday!

[MadMaddie]

109. FrenchieCat

You nailed it! President Obama admitted that he is human. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

110. The classic double standard: Bush was such a f*ck-up that nothing but f*ck-ups were expected of

him and he lived down to those expectations & the Republicans were happy.

Now we have Obama, a man of the people and an eloquent, thoughtful President. The Republicans are chomping at the bit to bring him down. They are going to scream like stuck pigs all over the airways the moment they deem he made an error. Hell, they don't even need anything real, they're already making crap up.

[Beartracks]

112. We get him for MORE than 60 days??? Yippee! n/t

[BlooInBloo]

116. I heart you.

[sampsonblk]

118. He needs for us to be honest and accepting of his mistakes

He does not need us to pretend they don't exist, or throw our principles in the trash in order to continue to believe in him.

That stuff is becoming sickening.

Everyone makes mistakes. Pretending they don't exist is not an acceptable means of dealing with them.

[lumberjack_jeff]

125. Yeah. I never believed all that "God, fate, destiny or providence" stuff either.

Oh, wait. You did.

[HughMoran]

130. Her HUSBAND said that AND you were bashing the fuck out of her even then

You're a piece of work - one of the most hate-filled posters on DU as you have just pointed out for all to see.

[lumberjack_jeff]

132. Deservedly. I simply have a longer memory.

Don't play the "divinely chosen" card then claim amnesia when he proves that he's as fallible a politician as any other.

I blame his blind acolytes for setting unrealistic expectations. "What do you mean he hasn't ended the war?" "What do you mean he hasn't instituted universal health care?" "What do you mean he hasn't changed the economic status quo?"

News flash, he promised none of those things.

Those of us who listened to what he said, as opposed to how he made us feel, knew what to expect.

Now who's the "low information voter"?

I think he's a good president, probably the best in my lifetime and I am optimistic that conditions will improve on a number of fronts... provided the public keeps pressuring him to operate in their interests.

[HughMoran]

135. "Longer memory" = grudge

I was a Hillary supporter during the primary and fought with Frenchie as fervently and anybody here.

Unlike you, I forgave those who I disagreed with then and would never pull a childish stunt like throwing an old pre-election post in someone's face just to make a petty point. While I clearly have the same pragmatic view of Obama as you, you have chosen a to conduct a personal vendetta against Frenchie and it stinks to high heaven from where I sit.

[lumberjack_jeff]

137. Who am I to quibble?

I developed that grudge honestly.

YMMV. Either you're a better man than I, or simply more tolerant of revisionism.

The best I can say at this point is that my interest in seeing Obama succeed is aligned with hers.

[BlooInBloo]

139. Shorter LJ....

[HughMoran]

140. "my interest in seeing Obama succeed"

I think since that's the bottom line, perhaps I am more tolerant of people's changing views over time. I can honestly say that I've never seen someone dig up 1-year old posts before.

[lumberjack_jeff]

144. I've never seen a poster describe something as a strawman...

... when they know better by virtue of being the very person who created it.

I see no evidence of changing views. Only parsing and airy dismissal. "Pfft! that was sooo last month!"

[camera obscura]

141. Wow, whole lot of "Obama is going to make us lose the racist states" worrywarts in those threads.

Wonder how that worked out for them?

[FrenchieCat]

142. Is there a problem with that thread?

Reads like I got tired of people trying to sell the notion that Obama would lose the GE because voters wouldn't vote for him because he was Black, and so we should not have him as our Nominee. Remember the Hard Working Whites that were the subject of many threads?

Far as I was and still am concerned, folks who weren't going to vote for Obama because he was Black were ignorant white fucks. If you still have a problem with that, after that entire premise was proven false, then you obviously have a serious issue that you will have to deal with on your own.

[lumberjack_jeff]

143. Yes. We've been over it before. n/t

[BklnDem75]

126. Thank you Frenchie

To be honest, I don't think even Bush received this much criticism within the same time frame.

[Skip Intro]

129. 'No one ever said he was above criticism, so stop criticizing him.'

Can you see how some get that from your op?

I mean, I don't have blind faith in any politician and I find it scary that anyone would.

Neither Obama, nor any other public servant, isn't, should never have been, and should never be above outspoken criticism, I don't care how open-endedly he or she campaigned.

[lumberjack_jeff]

145. Ha! Now we know what became of Bob Beaudelang. n/t

[Political Heretic]

152. Wow best summary of the OP I've read so far.

[Richd506]

136. K & R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sniffa]

148. Jesus people, let the man unpack his bags

He probably doesn't even have the drapes picked out.

[AlCzervik]

150. i Hope it's something in a chartreuse silk! that's fun and different!

Hope!

[sniffa]

155. It won't be Venetian blinds

The United States government still refuses to recognize the government of Venice and Obama can't really afford to wast such political capital defending against the onslaught from the right wing cabal should he go with the blinds.

He's brilliant for thinking ahead.

[Political Heretic]

151. So why don't you let is know what date we are allowed to start paying attention

Maybe that would help?

Just a date on the calendar when it has officially been long enough so that we can start applying critical scrutiny, pressure and advocacy to our president and this administration

[sniffa]

154. When he's able to top 200 in ten pin

He has Nixon's bowling alley to practice.

[rhett o rick]

153. r & k. I agree FC

[Two Americas]

157. I am sorry to reply...

No one here expected him to be perfect.

No one here said he was the Messiah. Some of his supporters have acted as though he were, but that is about them, not him.

There is no such thing as "pragmatic progressive" that is not left, right, center...or something.

Some of his supporters claim that that he was going to be everything to everybody - "he is the president of ALL of America!"

No one here expected him that he wasn't going to make mistakes. Some of his supporters want us to not talk about mistakes.

There is no "common ground" between us and the people who want to destroy us. There are no "ideas" to listen to from the right wingers.

Many of us are not sure just what "his own beliefs" might be at this point. That is not a problem. What he does is what will be important, and as with all politicians at all times that is a function of what people demand that he do. Meanwhile wealthy and powerful people are lobbying him heavily, and so should we.

We can oppose merit pay, the Iraq war, and the war in Afghanistan regardless of who is in office, and regardless of whatever any politician did or did not promise in any campaign.

We can support and advocate universal health care regardless of what any politician said when he or she was running for office.

No one here expected any miracles in "60 motherfucking days."

I think people are getting false ideas about these subjects from watching too much cable TV, and from taking the narrative there far too seriously. I don't know how else to explain it.

"Change" means nothing. You say he ran on change, but then lecture people for expecting change. Then you say it is not the right time. I am dead certain that it will never be the right time in your view, and people will never be "doing it the right way" to your satisfaction.

Why would you "defend" him now - if that is what this is supposed to be, I think what you are doing harms him myself - and yet not at some time in the future? What would change for you between now and then? Are you saying that you might turn on him at some time in the future? That makes you a weaker support than I am. I will never turn on him. I never fell in love with him, though either. I will consistently do what I always do and have always done - speak out for what is right regardless of which politicians are in office.

We have a civic duty and a moral responsibility to speak out. We do not work for, nor do we answer to any politician. It works the other way around in a democracy. They work for us. They answer to us.


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[FrenchieCat]

160. Well, you know, I decided to do some of the old Past post checking,

as your friend above thread did....cause you confuse me some times.

You write copious posts, but in the paragraph that I am samplying below, you are basically justifying those posters who call DUers Cult of the messiah in reference to their support of President Obama . This post was dated Feb 11, 2009, and in this post you make excuses for the bad behavior of those who enjoy tormenting activists at DU who strongly support the Democratic President.

"People talking about "cult/messiah" are talking about people's ideas - their message - not insulting or attacking the messenger. It may be a little too close to the truth for the comfort of some, and so they feel insulted. That is my guess. The fact that it has been posted quite a few times is a function of the fact that many people are independently observing it."

What that lets me know is no matter how well you write, half of it is balony.

[Two Americas]

163. sure

I would say that again now.

People talking about "cult/messiah" are talking about people's ideas - their message - not insulting or attacking the messenger. It may be a little too close to the truth for the comfort of some, and so they feel insulted. That is my guess. The fact that it has been posted quite a few times is a function of the fact that many people are independently observing it.

As for the context for that remark, it was in response to the endless complaints - "they are calling us cultists and accusing us of seeing Obama as the Messiah. They are making personal attacks. All they ever do is whine. They are hurting the party. They always hated Obama. They stole my cookies."


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[FrenchieCat]

164. Well, I'm gonna put it way.....

when you said.....

The fact that it has been posted quite a few times is a function of the fact that many people are independently observing it.

you were stating that as far as you are concerned, the reason folks are saying this is because it is true.


See, even when using your hoodwinking fancy window dressing writing, the message is clearly there.

[Political Heretic]

168. I don't think he was trying to hide that his was his message at all

:shrug:

Your "noone said he was above criticism, so stop criticizing him" OP certainly reflec ts an attitude in my mind, that suggests that if we're not all waving pom poms as far of a fan club for our leader that we are doing something wrong.

Now, maybe that's not the same as thinking someone is the "messiah." I'll concede a statement like that is over the top. But exaggerated or no,we all know what people who say that mean.... when they say some people treat him like he's the messiah, they mean that some people see him as above criticism, and are personally offended when others take issue with something said, done or not done by him.

Posts like this OP only reinforce the independent observations of others that there is certainly a group of people who fawn over the president as some kind of a personality rather than doing their jobs as part of the citizenry to hold leader's feet to the fire and demand more social justice action that they are giving.

Speaking of hoodwinky fancy window dressing Frenchie, I think we all know what message is clearly their in your posts. My great mistake was being naive enough to think that your attitude during the campaign, which I found to be appropriate when facing the option of voting for McCain or not voting, would make the transition into a responsible, adult, fair mindedness and criticality that - out of RESPECT for the office of a person that you (and I) like and admire - actively challenges areas were not enough is done, pushes and lobbies for more, and criticizes areas of inaction, or deference as part of a committment to always, always, always be pushing our leaders forward.

There are enough forces at work on any President - even a brilliant and personally good one - to cause them to stagnate or get distracted without the critical vigilance of the people. Many things Obama has done are already wonderful and I'm so happy for them. There are some things that are too early to to address. And then there are other thing Obama has done that have simply sucked. They would suck if he was two years into his term, or two days into it - so the "its only 60 days" cry is old and meaningless.

If I spend slightly more time focusing on the things that suck, or the things that need done than I do the things that got done and done well its only because I strongly believe that THIS IS MY JOB and this is YOUR job - it is the job of all of is not to sit around in a big circle jerk getting off on how much we "like" the president, but rather coming together with a MISSION to DRIVE this administration as far forward as it will possibly go!

I thought you knew that back in the campaign season.... I'm sad that I was wrong.

[Two Americas]

169. yes, very clear

You seem to think that this latest quote of mine that you have found damns me in some way; that you are unmasking some covert agenda. Or so you want others to believe, it seems.

So much for "hoodwinking."

Yes - the people saying that are saying what they believe to be true. Is that a bad thing?

I stand by it. I am not hiding anything.

As far as the "fancy window dressing writing" - I don't know how to take that except as a compliment. "You damned libruls with your fancy words aren't foolin' me" - are you sure that is an insult? I assume you intend it as an insult.


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[HopeOverFear]

159. I agree

His heart is in the right place, that's all that matters to me.

[FrenchieCat]

179. He'll do the best that he can,

and that's all that we can expect...because I suspect that his best
is going to be what we desperately need!

[Senator]

162. And He Never Said Boo About Torture

And for that he's had more than 2 motherf*cking years.

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[Optical.Catalyst]

165. Kick

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

178. Do you believe it is wrong to be critical of Obama? NT

[FrenchieCat]

184. Nope!

I believe that over the top criticism is oftentimes not warranted.

I have criticized the Pres as well...but I just write my letter,
say my piece and then quit.

In otherwords, I don't become a repetitive raving drama maven due to any one thing.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

185. Thank you. Now everyone knows your position. nt

[Serenitynow]

186. Your "over the top" criticism is someone else's fair criticism

Very subjective.

[tomp]

188. exactly the point, and...

...or as paul simon wrote, "one man's ceiling is another man's floor." and what time frenchie cat spends not criticizing obama she spends criticizing obama critics.

it's some kind of law of sycophantic conservation.

the op is a disgusting un-american appeal to some imagined authority and the obamlemmings just go happily along.

frenchie cat and his/her ilk are motherfucking dangerous.

[LWolf]

189. As a matter of fact,

he has repeatedly said things that I don't now, and never have, supported. I find that his actions as president are consistent with what he has repeatedly said to the American people.

I don't support his agenda now, any more than I did when he was campaigning on it, but there is no surprise in that. He doesn't represent the change that I believe in.

60 day, 90 days, or 4 years: there's no leftist light at the end of the Obama administration's tunnel.