Obama & The Gang That Can't Shoot Straight

[oviedodem]

You guys can go ahead and rip if you want, but the reality is that Obama's so called "administration" has been fumbling the ball way to much and this AIG crap is a flat out drop.

Don't sit there and tell me that during the whole transition phase NO one in the whole damn administration did not know about the bonuses or any other so called bonuses.

Don't come out on Sunday & Monday with faux outrage with one message from Summers and another from elsewhere after knowing it about well before.

Don't, as Gibbs did yesterday, come out and tell me YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS RUNNING AIG! As a matter of fact Gibbs should have stayed home with that performance.

I am fully aware that the president CANNOT know everything, however he can demand that his "administration" stay on top of and feed him the most relevant and pertinent information. I am getting sick and tired of what seems to be a very chaotic start here, and no I don't watch FOX so this is all based on perception here.

It is clear to me that Geithner is IRRELEVANT and needs to be replaced. I cannot believe how ineffective he has been with the message; maybe it is the whole economic group over there.

Either Obama needs to straighten out his "administration" or they will be his undoing.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. While it is too early to call for Geithner's resignation, I am definitely annoyed with his performan

ce so far.

[MarjorieG]

5. I think it's the ability to communicate, or the details too frightening he can't say.

With details, solutions still unfolding, hard to come on and say definitely this or that and be reassuring.

[bvar22]

55. It is NOT too early.

It is also NOT too early to point out that his appointment is a HUGE mistake, as are the other appointments to Obama's economic team.

Nowhere are there ANY proposals or even discussions of proposals to FIX our system. The discussions are confined to the details of keeping our existing crippled and unfair system hobbling along for a few more years by making our children and their children pay for the $Trillions$ being flushed down this corrupt sewer.

I would LOVE to hear Obama or any of his "Economic Advisors" say something like:
You know, we really gotta do something about this Too Big To Fail bullshit."

[MarjorieG]

2. Emotions and justified anger aside, this unraveling is a monster years in the making.

Details of timelines, documents, boggling. We need to prop up the banks, global now, and this is not what Obama came to the presidency wanting for us.

Geitner is a handy lightning rod for much of the stuff still unknown and just unfolding.

[Pirate Smile]

8. Oh, stop that being rational and cognizant of the complexity of our financial crisis. Everyone know

there is some fairy dust to sprinkle on these messes which will turn them into a pony. Geitner just isn't saying the magic word.

[oviedodem]

11. I realize that the senate is holding up treasury appointments

but this is crippling his agenda

[butterfly77]

31. Oh really, How?

and who..

[EFerrari]

58. He was also "in the making" of this monster as CA knows too well. n/t

[BlueJac]

3. Geithner and Summers were both bad selections n/t

[ChiciB1]

10. I'm beginning to think TOO!!! Now A Little Bit Of Tauscher... Blue Dog, Yes???

Taking in sooooo many more conservative types! Headed to Berkeley today... Got here yesterday from Ruby Red Florida! Ready to RUMBLE!!!!

[dionysus]

4. uh-huh, thank you for your concern

:eyes:

[oviedodem]

7. Look, you can roll your eyes if you wish but you must admit

the treasury is really struggling here with a coherent plan and message. I think 75% of politics is appearance and message

[dionysus]

15. yes, they are having trouble, but you're casting stones at the entire administration.

[oviedodem]

18. Bush as bad as he was, did have to deal with stupidity in his administration that

ultimately made him look bad on some things.

The treasury is making him look bad

[elocs]

19. According to Harry Truman, where does the buck stop?

For better or worse, Obama is responsible for what his administration does. Unlike Bush, Obama will take responsibility for his mistakes, but this entire AIG thing is making him look very bad.

[oviedodem]

21. Thank You and this is my broader point.

[dionysus]

32. they haven't even been in for 2 months yet...

they just got started.

[babylonsister]

57. Obama Takes Responsibility For AIG Mess

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8269464

[CJCRANE]

6. The economy seems to be picking up. Judge by results.

Don't get caught up in the outrage du jour.

[Jennicut]

9. Everyone scapegoats Geithner but the problems

have been 20 years plus in the making. It will not take a few weeks to get out of this mess.

[Larkspur]

42. Geithner was part of the problem before he became Sec. of the Treasury

he headed the NY Fed and did nothing about the abuse then. Geithner is a Rubinite, a Robert Rubin disciple, and it was the Rubinites that worked with Repukes to deregulate the financial industry.

[WeDidIt]

12. Yep, eating their own

Sad

With Dems like those who are ripping on Obama, who needs Republicans?

[oviedodem]

17. I am being realistic, It's not him; i'ts his damn treasury dept

[Dawgs]

13. Looks like DU has decided to follow the media's message that...

After 55+ days, everything wrong with the economy is Obama's fault, and why isn't he fixing things faster.

Now, what did this administration do wrong regarding the AIG bonuses? It seems perfectly reasonable, if their timeline is correct, that they acted correctly.

Maybe you should stop letting the news media think for you. Obama, AND his administration, have got this.

[NJmaverick]

14. DAMN IT!! OBAMA DIDN'T SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS IN LESS THAN 2 MONTHS!

I SAY IMPEACH HIM!

:eyes:

[Thrill]

16. The AIG money was given out by Paulson and crew. No one seems to want to report that

They are the ones who should of put the restrictions on.

[truebrit71]

56. DING! DING! DING! DING! This is NOT the fault of Geithner or anyone else in the Obama..

..admin..this was set in motion LAST YEAR by the Bush admin and Treasury Secretary Paulson but the media in this country is too fucking lazy to report the truth...AGAIN...

[oviedodem]

20. Remeber what Obama said "The buck stops with me" and HE needs to

slap the treasury in line here. They simply SUCK, and are bringing down the entire admin.

[Jennicut]

22. Are you brainwashed by the media or is it just me?

The current treasury dept is not entirely to blame for this mess and they are not bringing down his entire administration...freaking out a bit much aren't you? Its not like his approval rating is at 30% or something. I am not fond of Geithner and Summers but to say his entire administration is now ruined is a bit inflammatory and ridiculous.

[oviedodem]

23. You tell me then, how is Obama going to go back and ask for more bank

bailout money (which is needed) after this crap?

YOu tell me that?

[Jennicut]

24. Repeating media talking points here just does not sit well with me

This is also complete scapegoating of Geithner. Its easy to blame one or two people when the entire thing is years in the making. Obama will have to explain what he thinks is best for the economy and then do it. He is the President and ultimately we elected him to make the decisions. The problem with Bush is that he was incapable of making any decisions on his own. Obama is a big boy and can handle it.

[oviedodem]

25. See, even you can't answer the question b/c you see the issue. People are

DISGUSTED with the banks and don't want a penny going back to them.

That is a hard sell even with smooth waters.

[Jennicut]

27. We either prop up the banks or let them fail. Its not that hard

a question. If people decide they want them to fail, well we will still be paying for it in other ways. We are screwed no matter what because years of deregulation left us there. The American public needs to realize this and accept it. We have been screwed over and will pay for it and are paying for it on lost jobs and our taxpayer money being used to prob these banks up. Nationalizing or propping the the banks requires tax payer money, letting the banks fail means loss of money in different areas. Its not can the public handle this, its they have to handle this.

[democracy1st]

37. problem is Geithner had to much dirt from the start,that guy is going down!

[elocs]

26. The current Treasury Dept. is not entirely to blame for this mess,

but they are responsible for how they handle it. No, this is not going to bring down the entire administration, but what is the point of giving the Republicans more ammunition and stones to throw at Obama? If Obama and Treasury had been on top of this AIG bonus situation and cut if off at the knees, then Americans would have been giving him a standing ovation, shouting "YES!, YES!, Yes!" What an opportunity missed to be on the side of the regular, hardworking Americans rather than being a half step behind.

[RaleighNCDUer]

34. The problem is not Geithner or Summers -

it is Geithner AND Summers.

Obama is only hearing one voice from his money men, and that is the corporate Wall Street insider voice. One or the other of those two (it doesn't matter much which) should have been an opposition voice, someone who knows the system and acknowledges its flaws. Instead, he's got two Wall Street cheerleaders. Their inclination is to fall in line with the CEOs, not the public.

When Lincoln and Roosevelt put people in their cabinets who opposed him, it was not about them opposing HIM - it was about putting in people who were foils to each other. Get people talking who oppose each other, and you will hear ALL the arguments and wind up with the best chance of making good decisions. So far as I can tell, at least in the financial sector, Obama kinda blew it.

[democracy1st]

38. this treasury dept is a complete joke

[jenmito]

28. Why do you put "administration" in quotes? Why is it the "so-called administration"? Have you

not come to terms that Obama IS the president and he DOES have an administration?

[Jennicut]

29. Please argue for me Jen.

I have to go pick my daughter up at Preschool!:)

[jenmito]

33. Awwww, ok.

I'll do my best. :hi:

[oviedodem]

51. I voted for him, believe in his policies, but also realize that his administration is

not doing him any favors

[Median Democrat]

30. God Created The World In Six Days, Obama Can Change It In Six Weeks

Yeah, in six weeks, we expected him to undo all of the damage of the past decade.

:sarcasm:

[Uzybone]

35. Its so easy to get folks to eat media spin

and regurgitate them as their own ideas. They don't even know when they are being played.

They've been in office 2 months of a 10+ year debacle and you expect them to have the whole thing fixed.

[democracy1st]

36. what part of Geithner protecting banks do you not understand ?

[stillcool]

44. Isn't it like his job..

to protect banks? Is the treasury department in the business to help or hurt the financial apparatus in this country?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. So, what's Octomom up to these days?

I figure you watch a lot of cable news without putting any sort of thought into it, so I figured you'd be up to date on all the latest tabloid trash.

[otohara]

40. Word

:evilgrin:

[Dawgs]

41. Oh shit!! That's brilliant.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[grantcart]

47. pass the syrup. I need what you are slurping.

[jenmito]

43. Turn on the tv. Obama just made a statement and is taking questions. He just said the buck stops

with him! Hmmm...

[oviedodem]

50. You are proving my point that the idiots in charge ARE NOT HELPING HIS CAUSE.

[jenmito]

54. No, I'm not. He takes responsibility for the people YOU consider "idiots." Obama

doesn't consider them "idiots" and he defended Geithner today.

[cwcwmack]

45. less than 3 months in...

let's see how it looks in 2010. I'm patient.

[BlooInBloo]

46. Concern noted.

[Phx_Dem]

48. Blah blah blah.

[Phx_Dem]

49. Delete Dupe.

[formercia]

52. If you don't expect anything, you won't be disappointed.

according to someone I know.


The DLC gang will screw the pooch nicely, then, perhaps we can get some really meaningful progress.

[grassfed]

53. Rahm Emanuel crippled Obama when he said "crisis is opportunity"

sending the message that Obama took advantage of a national emergency for personal glory. Then Rahm and Schumer colluded on the Freeman fiasco.