How is Obama gonna get his Budget through?

[FrenchieCat]

I mean, how much bad press can one man take,
from all sides, and still get a progressive budget through?

He's not going to change his Wall street plan now that it has been proposed,
no matter how much people scream....and if he did, it would send Wall Street
into a tailspin.

He's stated clearly that he's not going to fire Geithner, yet folks that should know better keep screaming that he needs to, on both sides.

When do we allow the plan to work, or not to work?
Or do we make noise, like dragged screaming children all the way through?

Why can't he be allowed to try it his way (like FDR was allowed to)?
What if his plan works, but he stopped from even trying it, even for a limited time.
It would become evident very soon if nothing came of it.
Who's gonna want toxic assets, if there is nothing in it for them to hold them?

What if Nationalization doesn't work because it scares away foreign investors
(the ones we borrow all of the money from because of our giant deficits)
what if investors, if we nationalize, opt to do business with other countries,
as Nationalization would only signal that what made America great originally is no more...
even if he was working to restore it.

The reason that countries like investing in America is because of our years at being a
stable symbol of free enterprise. What signal would it send to nationalize before
trying other possible remedies, when one can alway nationalize if all else fails...
knowing that even nationalization may not do the trick?

Why should someone who has been attacked as being a socialist no try other avenues
before going there? Because economist who don't do politics say so?

But most importantly,
How can he get a budget through with everyone and their mothers pissing on him all day long?

We've got the media, zogby polls, republicans, democrats, and now the liberal blogospher
coming at him at once.

How can he pass an ambitious budget under that kind of atmosphere?

I personally don't think that he can.


SO GO AHEAD AND SAY GOODBYE!
Bye-bye Budget; We hardly knew ya!


Obama budget
Obama's budget proposals for 2010 by agency
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-obama-budget-090226-ht,0,5045256.story


Obama's Budget Definitely
Not More of the Same
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/02/budget_tk.html


Krugman: I Love Obama's Budget
http://www.businessinsider.com/krugman-i-love-obamas-budget-2009-2


Obama's New 2010 Budget Promotes Radical Pro-Science Agenda
http://gizmodo.com/5161998/obamas-new-2010-budget-promotes-radical-pro+science-agenda


obama's budget includes $475 million to clean up the Great Lakes
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2009/02/obamas_budget_includes_475_mil.html


In budget, Obama throws gauntlet for farm-subsidy fight
http://www.topix.com/movies/w/2009/03/in-budget-obama-throws-gauntlet-for-farm-subsidy-fight



Federal budget: Obama would shift tax burden to wealthy
http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/301392/


Obama To Target Tax Havens In Budget
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/obama-to-target-tax-haven_n_169576.html


Obama axes GOP in new budget push
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/obama-axes-gop-in-new-budget-push-2009-03-17.html


On budget, Obama faces 'trickiest public relations challenge of his young presidency'
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/02/63186549/1


WIth budget, Obama takes a political gamble
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/02/27/america/assess.php


On budget, Obama undeterred by estimates of soaring deficits ...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GZYZ_en&q=budget,+obama&start=10&sa=N


Working to pass budget, Obama seeks help from grassroots
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/03/18/obama_budget/index.html?source=rss


Obama's budget-cutting options are limited
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/articles/2008/11/26/obamas_budget_cutting_options_are_limited/


How to Pitch a $3.8 Trillion Budget: Obama Pushes Green Jobs, Renewable Energy
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/03/obama-budget-green-jobs-renewable.php


Sen. Gregg says Obama budget will bankrupt US
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090322/ap_on_go_co/gregg_budget


GOP predicts doomsday if Obama budget passed
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090322/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_economy

[billyoc]

1. That's a lot of work for a budget that's going to pass anyway, FrenchieCat.

There'll be some horse trading back and forth, but it will pass more or less as-is.

[FrenchieCat]

3. If he has less mandate, all of those funky congresscritters are gonna

get in the way of change that directly affect us.

I'm not talking about taxpayer money from future generation...

I'm talking about money for our immediate agenda.

I'm not feeling too good.

[billyoc]

6. Well, remember, budget reconciliation is exempt from filibuster.

I don't worry about the budget passing at all.

[FrenchieCat]

7. You think the 15 Democrats are gonna let this budget through?

Obama budget faces new hurdles

Reporting from Washington -- President Obama's $3.55-trillion budget has stumbled into a series of economic and political pitfalls that threaten to undercut his grandest ambitions.

The chairman of the Senate Budget Committee on Thursday projected deficits far higher than the Obama administration had calculated, possibly as much as $1.6 trillion higher over the next 10 years. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office is expected to issue a similar assessment today.

That bad news, combined with other recent developments, portends a rocky road for the Obama budget, which was initially hailed by congressional Democrats for promoting such liberal priorities as expanded access to health insurance and curbs on global warming.

In the three weeks since the budget was unveiled, fiscally conservative Democrats have raised concerns about proposed spending increases. Leaders of the House and Senate tax-writing committees have criticized some of Obama's proposed tax increases on wealthier Americans. And influential Democrats are backing away from using a legislative shortcut that may be Obama's best hope for passing his far-reaching health and energy policies.

An additional multibillion-dollar bailout for banks and other financial institutions, which the administration will soon propose, is expected to add more pressure to the federal government's finances.


Into that tinderbox, a lit match has come from new deficit estimates.

Where Obama's budget foresees rolling up $7 trillion in cumulative deficits over the next 10 years, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) on Thursday pegged the deficits at $1.6 trillion higher over that period.

Conrad, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said the figure was calculated by his panel's Democratic staff members.

The Congressional Budget Office report today is expected to reflect a worsening deficit outlook in part because economic conditions have deteriorated in the two months since the administration set its budget assumptions. The office is expected to project lower revenue and higher spending than what Obama's budget assumed.

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), one of about 15 moderate Democrats concerned about Obama's spending levels, said the White House might have to reassess its priorities in light of the new estimates.

"That will influence what we might think is the appropriate level of spending -- what might be put off to another budget, what we can pursue incrementally," said Nelson, a member of the budget panel.

"I think this budget is in for some tough sledding," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). "Some components of his budget are going over like a lead balloon."
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama-budget20-2009mar20,0,1486768.story

[empyreanisles]

8. Sadly, my senator Kay Hagan, might be one of the Dems. causing trouble.

She is in Bayh's group. I am very disappointed.

[billyoc]

9. Yes, they will. A good budget writer always has some padding to trim.

[FrenchieCat]

12. You sound so sure.....

why don't I?

[billyoc]

15. Well, you're right and I'm wrong.

:)

The budget won't survive *exactly* as is, but the Obama budget team knew that in advance and put some padding in.

[FrenchieCat]

33. But that is the problem isn't it?

Who wants congress to work over his budget!

[billyoc]

35. I don't think it's going to be a problem, because there was an expectation of that anyway.

[NYC_SKP]

2. You call THAT change???!!!

:rofl:

and, yes, where are all the critics? :P

[FrenchieCat]

5. Obviously nobody really gives a shit,

unless they can have their foot up his ass.
then everything is real important....down to the micro everything!

[Jennicut]

4. I really hope he can get some things passed in it. I fear Evan Bayh will be a total ahole

[4lbs]

10. Actually, FDR faced quite a bit of opposition from the Republicans and even some Democrats.

FDR furthermore threatened the US Supreme Court in a way.

He was tired of the USSC striking down many of his instilled plans, policies, and programs. So, he tried to get a bill passed that would expand the Supreme Court up to 15 justices, enough to give him a majority.

While the bill didn't pass, it pretty much intimidated the USSC into no longer striking down his programs in the New Deal for the remainder of his terms.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

14. If you go back and look at the political cartoons of the time period, the media was very much agains

the New Deal. People supported it though. They trusted Roosevelt.

[FrenchieCat]

22. Did they have the 24/7 media bashing everyone's head in with the

GOP latest talking points every day even then?

[4lbs]

26. Sort of a deja vu if you think about it.

n/t

[ChuckTodd]

11. He's not getting it passed

hate to say it

[FrenchieCat]

13. say more, please.

Thanks.

[ChuckTodd]

17. I'll say more, but only becuz u asked

The Democrats are gutless. Some of them just disgust me. If Obama fails as president, I don't know who I'll support next. I just have no faith in a Democrat outside of Barack Obama. I hope the guy succeeds, lord knows we don't need to have the GOP in charge any time soon.


Oh, Evan Bayh can go to hell and take Lieberman with him. Scum

[depakid]

16. It all depends on Harry Reid

and to some extent, the willingness of progressive groups to take on the DINO's in their own districts- 1st with ads and then with money and high profile challengers.

Accountability Now already has plans on the latter- and I'm sure there'll be more.

[ChuckTodd]

19. One thing this budget does that is needed

is focus on energy. We need to start developing things that we can sell to other countries. Energy seems to be the best bet.

Honestly, I have no clue how Obama or any other Democrat can get universal health care passed. Its just gonna cost too much. I wish him luck, but I don't see it happening.

[depakid]

20. That's one thing that will get though

because even the DINO's are afraid of the backlash on that if they fail to use the reconcilliation process. Reid will be toast in 2010 (which wouldn't necessarily be such a bad thing for the Dems).

[FrenchieCat]

21. He's gonna fix Bush messed up Medicare part D

It's costing us trillions, literally!

Here's some info on that!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8206100

[democracy1st]

36. go back to freerepublic

[Whalestoe]

18. GOP predicting doomsday?

This budget better pass! They're never right.

[FrenchieCat]

32. Nothing new!

[Political Heretic]

23. I've been wondering that since it was announced. Not for quite the same reasons.

I'm not sure how he gets this budget passed. Sadly it seems likely that it will be gutted in committed and look substantially different in the end.

What I wish Obama would do is veto bullshit and make them write it again if it doesn't sufficiently reflect his spending agenda. And I wish Obama would demand that Harry Reid FORCE Republicans to ACTUALLY FILLABUSTER not just THREATEN to fillabuster!

We don't need 60 votes to pass legislation. We need 51 votes. We need 60 votes to break a fillabuster, which never fucking happens because Democrats never make them actually do it.

Make them stand there, unable to yield the floor, 24/7 and put it on national television with the title "Your obstructionists at work."

Anyway... I'm ranting now... lol

[FrenchieCat]

24. Did you see this, Political Heretic?

and what do you think? http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5319227

[Political Heretic]

25. I'm still reading on this (beyond the WAPO piece) but it sounds quite encouraging.

I am cautiously optimistic! Still digging through the details... :D

[FrenchieCat]

28. Do you think congress will do this?

After the hearings today, I'm not so sure.

They are calling it a "Power grab"....

So till this is agreed upon by congress,
hedge funds and insurance companies can't be nationalized.....
which is the real power that the Obama administration is asking for.

[Political Heretic]

34. I'm wondering what Obama might be asked to give up in exchange

...could be some wheeling and dealing that gets this done. I'm okay with deals, I just want them to be the right deals. I'm trying to think about what kind of deal I might be okay with. I haven't gone line item through the proposed budget yet - maybe there's room to deal there...

[TeamJordan23]

27. He just needs 51 votes, not 60. He will get it through.

[FrenchieCat]

29. But what will it look like?

[MrScorpio]

30. With some KY, maybe?

Best thing for the sheer size and girth of that puppy

[FrenchieCat]

31. But this reverses 30 years of Reagan......

and that's a big fish!