Let me see if I have this straight

[Redbear]

If I oppose Republican policies when they are espoused by a Republican president, I'm right.

If I support Democratic policies when they are espoused by a Democratic president, I'm right.

If I oppose Republican policies when they are espoused by a Democratic president, I'm a closet freeper who wants Republicans to be in power for the next thirty years, so that they can carry out the Republican policies I oppose.

?????????????????

[Sub Atomic]

1. By George, I think you've got it!!

Don't forget that you're a traitor if you question anything the President says or does, too.

:crazy:

[eridani]

38. The raaiiin in Spain falls mainly in the plaaiiin!

:fistbump:

[YOY]

2. Some people here think that criticism is on the same level as complete opposition.

Denying it is pointless.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

3. yes. indeed.

[ieoeja]

4. Not for the most part.

I remember when Bush did the first bailouts. As much as we all despise the moron, he was mostly applauded here for taking a position right out of the Liberal playbook.

But we did at least get to enjoy the pained expression on his face when he did it! Even he was smart enough to recognize that he was betraying everything the Laissez-Faire Rightists espouse. The man who never admitted wrong, never changed his mind ... was forced by his handlers to take a 180 degree turn.

[Zenlitened]

7. Huh? What page of the liberal playbook...

... describes bailing out Wall Street bankers with hundreds of billions of dollars?

:shrug:

That was a BushCheneyPaulsonDisasterCapitalist plan through and through... made possible with the help of a gun held to the heads of panicked lawmakers.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Ay yay yay

....

:banghead:

[redqueen]

6. Avoiding nuance for the sake of starting arguments sure is fun...

don't you think?

[FrenchieCat]

8. Nuance is only for those who understand such.....

While Nader is the candidate for those who live in a world of make-belief.

[redqueen]

9. Like people who thought that decades upon decades

of Wall Street's infiltration into DC would disappear with a wave of Obama's mighty hand.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Aye! Or else they really believed the Freepers calling Obama a socialist.

Who's gonna explain it to them? :shrug:

[Redbear]

12. Nuance is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

i.e. They aren't prisoners of war, they are merely "enemy combatants"

or The federal govt paying 93% of the cost of an asset, taking 100% of the downside risk, but sharing 50% of any profits with third party hedge funds is not a transfer from the lower and middle classes to the upper class it is a "public-private partnership."


I have faith that President Obama will change Washington someday, but the current Geithner plan is as status quo Washington as you can get.

[redqueen]

13. LOL... creative bastardization of the quote, but no.

Nuance is how morons stop flinging poo like "you're an obama worshippper!" and "you're a freeper!" at each other.

[QC]

10. Yes, that's pretty much the shape of it. n/t

[Jennicut]

14. Its all nonsense. We can criticize the President and still support him.

[Marrah_G]

31. I believe the post is directed at a particular group on DU who says you cannot

They may be loud, but fortunately they are small in actual numbers.

[Maven]

15. Welcome to DU.

;)

[leftstreet]

16. You got it!

That's pretty much it

[AirBaud]

17. Let me see if I have this straight.

You think Barack Obama espouses Republican policies? Would a closet freeper believe something so idiotic?

[Redbear]

18. President Obama espouses hundreds of Democratic positions and

a few that in my opinion are Republican ones.

The new bank rescue plan is one and his opposition to gay marriage is another.

He is a great president, but I will continue to state my belief that he is wrong on those issues.

[EmilyAnne]

24. Yes, his opposition to gay marriage sucks. No way around that. Its disappointing that this

opposition seems to be a very common Democrat/ Republican stance.
I guess the real difference between the two parties on this is their stance on a constitutional amendment that legislates bigotry.

Obama says it should be up to states.
But then he says he doesn't personally support it.
I think Hillary Clinton and John Edwards said the same.
This has always represented a sort of logic vacuum to me.
I'm against it, but let the states decide so I don't have to be the one to allow it or deny it.
Its a real cop-out and I can't wait for this to be just an embarrassing blip in American history.

[polmaven]

29. A Constitutional amendment

is what DOMA was created to prevent. I honestly think we would have that amendment now if DOMA had not been in place.

We need to work really hard to legalize marriage rights in all 50 states. ALL of us...straight, gay, bi or trans...It is up to US.

What I don't hear enough of in the arguments is to ask the jerks who keep spouting that gay marriage "threatens traditional marriage" to explain exactly HOW! The counter arguments are for another thread, though. All I will continue to say is - I live in Massachusetts - The state still exists, we have not broken off the country and floated out to sea, and heterosexual marriage still exists here....Imagine that! I know of not a single coupe who divorced because the gay couple down the street got married.

[EmilyAnne]

33. Interesting! I have never looked at DOMA that way. I was too young to know what was going on

politically and at that time my parents were pretty radical Republicans who thought Bill and Hillary Clinton were evil.
I had to get to know Bill and especially Hillary after Bush defeated Gore.

I really love your last statement! My recently liberalized parents were making a lot of jokes about that during the 2004 election. My dad kept saying that if someone's marriage is threatened because two men or two women you don't even know got married, then you are really looking for an escape. He imagined the hilarity of adulterous, straight husbands using gay marriage as an excuse for their bad behavior. "Well, honey. What do you expect? Its those gays! Our marital bond takes a hit every time they say their vows!" It was the absolute absurdity of the gay marriage issue in 2004 along with the nasty Swiftboaters that brought my father to vote for the first Dem in his life (Kerry). And once that threshold was crossed, he gets more and more liberal. It goes against the adage that people get more conservative with age.

[Starry Messenger]

19. I'm a super secret double agent.

You get a great decoder ring, too.



Evidently I'm a racist, too, which came as a surprise to me. All my neighbors in Oakland for the last 18 years were pretty polite about not mentioning my white hood.

[progressoid]

20. And you're a Nazi too.

[mopinko]

21. this is not an official response, but

Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[chascarrillo]

26. Here comes the censorship!

Nice.

[mopinko]

35. it isn't censorship. it is purpose. this board has a purpose.

it is the support of democrats, and the support of progressive ideas. people who do nothing but bash people, argue, attack, etc, do not fit that purpose. everyone agrees when they sign up here that they understand that. :shrug:
nonetheless, as long as people remain civil, they can pretty much express most ideas. you signed an agreement to be civil.

[Uzybone]

22. How many of these whiny posts do we need?

Do we need new threads for people saying the same thing 30 times a day.

[Marrah_G]

32. You forgot your pom poms!

[EmilyAnne]

23. Obama is calling for greater regulation than we have had in decades. His budget is the most liberal

we have had in decades. His health care proposal scares the crap out of Republicans because it create a massive government program that will the people will be unwilling to surrender.

Which policies of Obama are Republican?

[vaberella]

27. Everything?!

:sarcasm:

[chascarrillo]

28. Handing out trillions of dollars of our money to the banks.

Sounds pretty Republican to me.

[EmilyAnne]

34. But there is a lot more to the plan. And all the budget proposals, health care, green jobs

proposals will need to work along side a reformed, retooled banking system.
Its just a necessity.

Some people (not you, just an example) like to claim that Obama and Bush are the same because of massive government spending. They say that Bush's spending spree left us in a mess, so therefore Obama shouldn't look to spending as part of a solution. The difference, of course, is what the money is spent on.

A Republican handing out trillions to banks vs. a Democrat handing out trillions to banks can very well be two completely different policies. Of course, that is not guaranteed. I just think the party distinction at least warrants a closer look at what the policy entails, what kind over oversight is granted, what safety net is provided for the taxpayers, etc.

I really don't think the bailout plan has been looked at in detail by the majority of people.
I still haven't found the full text.
Until that is released, I am going to keep an open mind.

[dionysus]

37. yeah, because letting the world economy collapse is such a better idea.

:eyes:

[acmavm]

25. Yeah, that's it.

[Marrah_G]

30. And there you have it !

It's crazy I know... but if you just trust in Obama you will find salvation.

[dionysus]

36. .

[LWolf]

39. You got it.

All you need to know:

If Obama does it, he's right, and you are obligated to either join the loud cheering squad or shut up. :sarcasm:

Even if all those cheering and trying to silence dissent were taking a completely different position on the issue/s pre-Obama.

[leftofthedial]

40. diabolically simple

isn't it?

[slackmaster]

41. No, the third option makes you a racist

;-)

[BlooInBloo]

42. And if all you do is whine like a whiny ass titty baby about everything Obama does...

and defend you're whinery with bullshit about "dissent is patriotic you nazi!", then you're just fucking worthless.