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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:28 PM
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Kerry's statement on the 1999 Conference Report that included repeal of Glass-Steagall
Edited on Thu Apr-09-09 08:51 PM by ProSense
Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I express my genuine appreciation to all the members of the Senate Banking Committee for their hard work, commitment and dedication to resolving the tough and contentious issues surrounding the conference report that we are considering today. It is no exaggeration to suggest that this conference report represents more than 15 years of hard work and perseverance in tackling one of the most important issues in the new economy.

I support the conference report. However, I do so with some reservations about the way the final product was developed and because it does not include a number of important consumer protection provisions. For example, the legislation will pre-empt important state legislation prohibiting certain predatory lending practices that result in poor, vulnerable, elderly homeowners being bilked out of thousands of dollars or, in some cases, losing their homes.

However, I believe enactment of financial modernization is a critical first step toward breaking down barriers to allow financial services companies to provide better services at lower costs to consumers and to help insure American dominance of global finance in the 21st Century.

As we all know, breaking down the walls that separate commercial banking from the insurance and securities industries is of enormous importance to the future of the financial services industry, which has undergone an immense transformation in recent years. Dramatic changes in technology along with historic mergers, consolidations, and acquisitions have reordered the structure of the financial services industry and made the statutory distinctions that have existed in the law until today less and less relevant in the real world.

As a result of these changes, large corporations have begun bypassing traditional financial institutions and accessing capital markets directly. Many large corporations now meet their funding needs by issuing commercial paper, rather than by borrowing from banks. Banks and thrifts are also experiencing increased competition from non-banking institutions that offer a range of financial products and services. During this time, commercial banks have been unable to provide consumers with a number of important financial products and services.

The conference report that the Senate is considering today repeals the Glass-Steagall Act, which has separated banks from securities firms since the 1930s. It also repeals a similar provision that has separated banking and insurance. It will permit the creation of new financial holding companies that could offer banking, insurance, securities and other financial products.

I am very pleased that the Treasury Secretary Summers and Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Alan Greenspan have come to an agreement on the operating subsidiary issue that was included in the conference report. Banks will now be able to choose the corporate structure under which to conduct new non-banking activities--either through an operating subsidiary or through an affiliate. The bill would allow operating subsidiaries to engage in merchant banking activities, but only if the Federal Reserve and the Treasury jointly agree that the activity is permissible. A bank would have to be well capitalized and well managed after deducting its equity investment in an operating subsidiary from its capital in order to take advantage of these new activities. I believe that this compromise will let banks choose their own operating structure and will help maintain safety and soundness in our financial system.

The operating subsidiary provisions also include language that would retain state authority over state chartered bank subsidiaries. Section 121(d)(1) of the final bill provides that nothing in Section 46(d) supersedes the current authority of the FDIC over bank subsidiary activities under Section 24 of the Act. The provision recognizes that, consistent with current and proposed rules of the FDIC, investment authorities of state-chartered bank subsidiaries are not to be restricted to any greater extent that those authorized for a state bank itself. More particularly, in several states, including Massachusetts, state banks have a long history of exercising limited authority to invest in common stocks either directly or through wholly-owned subsidiaries. The FDIC has acknowledged and approved such investment authority through so-called investment subsidiaries. It is my understanding that the newly added Section 46(d) acknowledges and preserves that authority and does not contemplate imposition of additional regulatory requirements or impediments.

I am also glad that the conference report will permit financial institutions to engage in merchant banking activities. This will allow banks to invest in small companies for the purpose of appreciating and ultimately reselling the investment. The merchant banking provisions limit the day-to-day management of companies by financial institutions and the duration of the investment. I am hopeful that these new powers will allow banks to provide more capital for small businesses, which have been leading contributors to the economic growth of our country.

The conference report includes an important limitation on banking and commerce which eliminates the ability of commercial firms to form new unitary thrifts unless they had owned or had applied to own a unitary thrift by May 4, 1999. Under the conference report, current unitary thrift holding companies and their savings association subsidiaries would be able to continue their normal activities. However, future sales of unitary thrift holding companies would not be allowed to commercial firms. Sales would be limited only to financial holding companies.

Building this fence around financial firms to keep them largely isolated from joint ownership with commerce and industry is an extremely important safeguard in this legislation. My first priority as member of the Senate Banking Committee is to maintain the safety and soundness of our financial system to insure that American taxpayer funds are not necessary to bail out our financial institutions. However, we are now in an era in which banks and other firms are becoming ``too big to fail'' where the government will intervene if its collapse would cause a major harm to the economy. With the enactment of this legislation, banks, insurance and securities conglomerates will grow even larger and more intertwined. The failure of any one of these new conglomerates could disrupt our financial system and risk a taxpayer-funded bailout that would dwarf the savings and loan payout. For example, recently the Federal Reserve Bank felt compelled to rescue the Long Term Capital, a hedge fund, even though it was not a federally insured bank.

That is why I strongly supported including a provision that would have required large banks to back some portion of their assets with subordinated debt. Holders of this type of debt would have a strong incentive to monitor each financial institution's level of risk to protect their investment. This approach could also serve as an early warning signal for regulators of banks that are engaged in risky activities. Unfortunately, this requirement was reduced to only a study. I will be working with my colleagues and with federal regulators to address this problem in the future.

I am also very disappointed that the conference report does not include acceptable language regarding mutual insurance companies. Many States currently have laws that restrict the hostile take over of a mutual insurance company that has recently converted to a stock insurer. However, the conference report allows these state laws to be preempted ``so long as such restriction does not have the effect of discriminating, intentionally or unintentionally, against an insured depository institution or an affiliate thereof *.*.*.'' I believe that this language, as currently written, would allow only banks whose takeover attempts were denied by a state insurance commissioner to litigate. The ability to litigate would not be extended to any other potential acquisitor.

This law means that any state restriction of a banking organization's attempts to takeover a demutualizing insurance company could be construed by a court as discrimination against the bank. I believe that this could lead to costly and time consuming litigation for every insurance company that attempts demutualization. Further, if a court were to fail to interpret the word ``discrimination'' narrowly, this new language could essentially end the important state preemption provision only in cases where a bank is the proposed acquisitor. It would not allow other potential acquisitors to litigate.

I am also very concerned about the provision included in the conference report that will allow mutual insurance companies to redomesticate to another state and reorganize into a mutual holding companies or stock companies. I believe that this provision will allow some mutual insurance companies to move to states without adequate consumer protections and could endanger policyholders during a conversion from mutual to stock form.


I am pleased, however, that the conference report includes the PRIME Act, which will provide an opportunity to lend a helping hand to those in need of financial aid and technical assistance so that they can fulfill their personal, family, and community responsibilities. Microenterprise development has

given many a chance to break the cycle of poverty and welfare and move toward individual responsibility and financial independence.
Specifically, the PRIME Act authorizes funding for technical assistance to give microentrepreneurs access to information on developing a business plan, record-keeping, planning, financing and marketing, which are crucial to small business development.

For example, PRIME would augment funds for valuable programs run by Working Capital, located in Massachusetts and a recipient of a Presidential Award for Excellence in Microenterprise Development in 1997. Working Capital currently offers a number of valuable programs to its microenterprise customers which could be augmented by additional funding under PRIME such as providing business credit to microentrepreneurs and providing business education and training on how to draw up business plans and prepare financial projections. These programs instruct microentrepreneurs on how to use these tools in managing their businesses. This type of assistance is crucial to the development of our low-income communities and throughout the United States.

I very much appreciate that the conference report includes a provision to repeal the Savings Bank Provisions in the Bank Holding Company Act. Section 3(f) was added to the Bank Holding Company Act in 1987 to provide a special grant of authority to savings banks, but court decisions and Federal Reserve Board interpretations now make it restrictive for many Massachusetts banks. Repeal of this provision will bring the treatment of Massachusetts savings banks in line with that of other financial institutions.

Mr. President, I also want to emphasize that although I strongly believe that we have to take this first step to toward modernizing our banking industry and although I will support this conference report, I remain committed to strengthening and improving consumer privacy protections and to encouraging greater community investment by financial institutions.

I believe that we can and must do more to safeguard the financial privacy of every American. Every American deserves to control his or her personal financial information. I am concerned that the changes in technology and in the marketplace have diminished every American's ability to safeguard his or her personal financial privacy. The conference report gives customers of financial services companies only limited control over their personal financial information. Customers will now have the right to object to their institutions' sharing their financial data with third parties and will require these institutions to provide notice to customers when they disclose financial information within an affiliate. Fortunately, the conference report does not preempt stronger state privacy laws.

I want to note for the RECORD that I supported stronger privacy protections that would have given every customer the right to see what financial information would be shared with affiliates or third parties. I also supported an opt-in standard for consumers whose financial institution provides their personal financial information to unaffiliated third parties. This provision was supported by 26 state Attorneys General and many others. I will be working with my distinguished colleagues including the Senator from Maryland Mr. SARBANES, as well as Senators BRYAN, SHELBY and others to work on strengthening safeguards to protect the privacy of every American.

All throughout the consideration of this legislation, from the very first meetings of the Banking Committee, through floor consideration and the conference negotiations, Congressional Democrats and the Administration have insisted that the Community Reinvestment Act must be allowed to grow and adapt to the new circumstances being created for the financial industry. Despite the most aggressive, uninformed, and sustained attack on that important law I have ever witnessed, I am happy to say that the new law will reflect this important goal.

The new law established that, as a precondition for any bank to exercise any of the new powers authorized by this legislation, either de novo or through a merger or acquisition, a bank must have a satisfactory CRA rating. This test will be applied each time a bank seeks to take engage in a new activity, so that a bank will have to, as a practical matter, both have and maintain a satisfactory CRA rating to take advantage of the new law. Prior to this agreement, a bank could start up a securities affiliate without any regard to its CRA rating, so this new law is clearly a step forward. That is why Reverend Jesse Jackson and the Local Initiatives Support Corporation (LISC) support the CRA provisions in the bill.

I understand and share the concerns of some of my colleagues who believe that the conference report does not go far enough. Certainly, the alternative that and my fellow Democrats supported would have been more acceptable. However, I believe that this legislation clearly meets the objective of ensuring that CRA remains a central part of every financial institution's operations into the next century.

The conference report would also require certain agreements between a bank and community groups made in connection with CRA to be fully disclosed and would reduce the frequency of CRA compliance exams for certain banks with less than $250 million in assets.

I am concerned that further attempts to weaken the Community Reinvestment Act will occur during the 106th Congress. Let me be absolutely clear: I will strongly oppose any attempts to weaken CRA in any manner whatsoever. CRA is a fundamental tool to insure that all creditworthy Americans, regardless of the neighborhood they live in, regardless of their race or circumstances, have access to the bank loans that are needed to buy a home or start a business. It is a law that breathes life into the rhetoric we all use extolling the virtues of equal opportunity. We cannot and must not return to the days of poverty and desperation borne of bank redlining in too many communities across the nation.


This conference report is far from perfect, but few compromises ever are. A product that represents more than 15 years of hard work and the debates of literally hundreds of individuals and disparate constituencies could hardly represent a perfect product to every side. This report is no different. But I will tell you, and I think almost all of us would agree that in the American system of free enterprise the interests of consumers and industry are best served if we permit competition as long as that competition is fair and does not give any industry or player an advantage over another. I believe that this legislation is an important step in facilitating that competition and it meets that test by allowing every American access to a broader group of financial services at a lower cost. We have a historic chance to provide meaningful financial services reform. I will support the conference report and I urge my colleagues to support it as well. And, remembering as I think we all should, that this legislation represents not an endpoint but a starting point, I would respectfully suggest that we all focus in the months and years ahead on the potential role this Senate can play in helping to create the environment in which financial services work to the best advantage of every American. Our goal should be nothing less.


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:30 PM
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1. JK was a prophet in this regard. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:23 PM
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2. This is intereresting
It shows that among the Democrats who voted for it there was a concern that serious regulation was needed with it.

Kerry was one who acted on that belief - he was a co-sponsor of a Sarbanes bill with Dodd, Durbin and Schumer that was designed to stop the predatory lending that he spoke of at the beginning of that speech. Here is a link to that bill introduced in 2000. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s106-2415 It was later re-introduced in 2002 and 2003 in the next 2 Congresses with 14 and then 15 sponsors - all Democrats. Then Durbin tried to add it via an amendment at least twice in 2005.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:40 PM
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3. Thanks for the link. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:06 AM
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4. Here's the page that shows when the bill was re-introduced
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:09 PM
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5. K&R. Thx!!!! n/t
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:34 PM
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6. Wow. This just shows, to me anyway, the importance of context...
...on this vote. Remember that in 1999, Free Trade was 'all the rage.' IMO, most in government anticipated a continued Democratic White House (with Gore)...bringing with it the opportunity to modify such legislation to be more in line with the values Senator Kerry articulated (and that he obviously stands for and believes in still). Most did not anticipate a Republican administration for the next eight years, especially not one like GWB.

Hindsight is 20/20. That said, he did understand the dangers of this policy change. I just think the Democrats thought they'd have time to fix it...and make the changes that could have prevented the 'run-away deregulation' that GWB promoted.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:37 PM
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7. So John Kerry voted for and supported the deregulation that caused this economic crisis
Thanks for the post.

7 Democratic Senators read the same conference report and voted against the bill. Senator Kerry was not one of them.

The bottom line is that Kerry supported Wall Street and not the people who became victims of Wall Street.

"We have a historic chance to provide meaningful financial services reform. I will support the conference report and I urge my colleagues to support it as well."

Ya .... right John. Thanks a lot.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:52 PM
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8. That would be your interpretation.
Democrats voted against deregulation. They, specifically the members of the banking committee, had to compromise ensure that certain provisions were included.

I suppose they could have skipped compromise and let the Repubs' bill pass without those provisions. Of course, they would then be blamed for being stupid. These are the very provisions that were later weakened and when coupled with deregulation, made the repeal move from damaging to catastrophic.

What you don't seem to understand is that the repeal was just one of the measures, which passed with Republican support only, in the Conference Report.






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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:41 PM
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10. Interpretation? We all know exactly how Kerry voted. Nothing to interpret at all.

The best one can do is come up with a lame excuse and rationalization for his vote in support of the Wall Street crooks who caused this crisis.

Sorry, I've been around too long and I'm not buying that snake oil.

Don't you agree that at the very least Senator Kerry owes us an apology for his vote?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:52 PM
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12. It's right there in the OP. You're doing a good job of selling it though. And
Edited on Fri Apr-10-09 06:54 PM by ProSense
here's the vote on the bill to repeal Glass-Stegall.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 02:53 PM
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9. This coming from the guy who thinks JK picked Lieberman as his running mate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8331387&mesg_id=8331508

Better Believe It

Thu Apr-09-09 11:39 AM
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25. John Kerry took money from Republicans to defeat Ralph Nader in 2004

It was a great victory! Nader lost!

Barack Obama also accepted millions of dollars in campaign donations from Republicans in 2008.

But, Obama was smarter than Kerry.

Obama didn't attack Ralph Nader during the 2008 election. He decided to use the Republican campaign donations to defeat John McCain.

Obama is smart.

John Kerry picking Leiberman as his running mate and decideing to spend millions of dollars to attack Ralph Nader was a fricken idiot!

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:47 PM
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11. Thanks for pointing out the typing mistakes including "decideing"

Albert Gore picked Joseph Leiberman (a guy you just loved for Vice-President) as his running mate and like John Kerry spent millions of dollars to defeat Ralph Nader.

Now do you still believe that picking Joseph Leiberman was an absolutely brilliant move by Al Gore?

Well?

Do you?

That's OK. You don't have to answer. It would be just too embarassing for you. Isn't that right?

But, back to the subject matter which you'd rather not discuss because you have nothing to contribute on this matter.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 06:53 PM
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13. You're welcome.
Edited on Fri Apr-10-09 07:39 PM by AtomicKitten
"typing mistakes" ???
:rofl:

John Kerry picking Leiberman as his running mate and decideing to spend millions of dollars to attack Ralph Nader was a fricken idiot!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8331387&mesg_id=8331508
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 09:23 AM
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16. Wow, you said John Kerry picked Joe Lieberman as VP? That a "typing mistake"?
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 09:27 AM by ClarkUSA
:rofl:

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 09:55 AM
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17. Yes. Because in several previous posts I was critical of Gore picking Leiberman as his V-P choice
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 10:07 AM by Better Believe It
I assume you didn't read those posts.

Leiberman just added so much to Gore's campaign especially when he stabbed Gore in the back during the Florida recount.

As a Joseph Leiberman cheerleader and apologist that surely must have been a highpoint in the 2000 election for you.

Do you still maintain that the 2000 election was not stolen and that Ralph Nader was responsible for 250,000 registered Florida Democrats voting for Dubya?

I think that notion is just a bit silly. Perhaps you're new to politics.

Do you understand the following words?

"I will support the conference report and I urge my colleagues to support it as well."

Kerry failed to convince 7 Democratic Senate colleagues to support his surrender to Wall Street.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:07 AM
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18. More snake oil. What are those numbers supposed to mean?
More than 360,000 Democrats voted for McCain in 2008. The number of Dems voting for Repubs in almost every election is typical in the 8% to 10% range. The more than 100,000 people who voted for Nader and Nader himself can take comfort in knowing they tipped the election in Bush's favor. I'm sure no all of those 100,000 plus people would have voted for Gore, many would likely have stayed home, but I suspect at least 1,000 would have, tipping the election to Gore.

Perhaps you are the one who is "new to politics"?

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:25 AM
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19. Wrong again and again and again.... you don't let facts get in the way of your rhetoric, do you?
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 10:25 AM by ClarkUSA
"Joseph Leiberman cheerleader and apologist" :rofl:



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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:33 AM
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20. If you ever want to read a self-serving statement read John Kerry's ....
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 10:33 AM by Better Believe It
in support of Wall Street deregulation.

Oh .... are you now making a U-turn and claiming that you didn't support and vote for your hero Joseph Leiberman in 2000?




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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:41 AM
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21. Yeah, sure. Tell me more about how I'm "a Joseph Leiberman cheerleader and apologist"...
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 10:50 AM by ClarkUSA
I really wanna hear all about it. :rofl: :tinfoilhat: :crazy:


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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:34 PM
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27. Actually - Lieberman did add to the Gore campaign
The polls showed that the choice helped Gore initially. Both in the Jewish community and among liberals the choice of the first Jew on a national ticket was welcomed. The fact is that had Palm Beach had decent voting machines, the Lieberman choice, which increased the rate of voting in the already high Jewish retirement communities would have resulted in an easy Florida victory - and the election.

As to your Kerry quote, have you ever read ANY Senator's floor statement - they always "urge" their colleagues to joing in voting with them. PS It was not a surrender to Wall Street. It was the banks asking to be allowed to participate in the new Financial world.

Do you remember that time at all? In the 1970s and 1980s, most people kept their money in the bank. Those with a significant amount of money could get higher interests by putting their money into bank CDs or they could buy a US Treasury bill through their banks. By the end of the 1990s, a huge percent of affluent people had moved the bulk of their money to Mutual Funds - where money market accounts were, in their eyes the equivalent to savings banks. Consider in the 1970s, it would not be unusual for someone to accumulate $50,000 in a bank account. There were wealthy people keeping more than $100,000 in multiple banks to be sure that FDIC covered it. But, with banks giving low (I think about 3% interest) and companies like Fidelity Funds having much better rates of return - and looking just as safe when you were speaking just of the money markets funds, the banks all lost a large percent of the value in the accounts they held.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:16 PM
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25. Neither spent millions of dollars to defeat Nader they spent millions of dollars to win
Are you so obtuse that you can not see that to win they needed to win as many votes as they could? That they couldn't "let" Nader take the far left without challenging him?

The fact is that Nader could not even articulate a sensible reason for running in 2004 - as he said Kerry was "Presidential" and he respected him. It is pretty hard to label the only Senator to fight BCCI as he did Gore. That and the fact that a lesson was learned in 2000 might be why he got so few votes.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 01:51 PM
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23. Kerry did not attack Nader nor did he pick Lieberman
I think he should have stood up to all the Democrats from Clinton to Kennedy who pushed him to pick Edwards - who was a complete waste of space as a VP nominee far more interested in his own image than in having Kerry's back.

As to Nader, Kerry met with him and Nader came away saying good things about him. Nader then said he was running to help Kerry (!) by being able to attack Bush more than Kerry could. Nader only got 3/10ths of one percent of the vote against Kerry.


Like most progressives, I was disappointed to see Ralph Nader announce his candidacy today, because there is a small risk he'll draw Democratic votes away from Obama or Clinton.

But the dismissive responses of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton worried me a bit more, because that's the wrong way to deal with the Nader candidacy. Four years ago, John Kerry and the Democrats dealt with the Nader challenge exactly correctly, and reaped the benefits - holding Nader to 3/10 of one percent of the vote, one tenth of what he got four years earlier.

They reached out to Nader, kept him engaged, and let people outside the campaign spend the necessary millions to aggressively target potential Nader voters and convince them that a vote for Nader was indeed a vote for Bush. Here's how The New York Times reported a Kerry-Nader summit that took place in May 2004.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/glenn-hurowitz/what-kerry-did-right-eng_b_88317.html

That article referred to the meeting Kerry had with Nader.


Faced with growing concerns about Ralph Nader's potential to siphon off Democratic votes, John Kerry began a forceful but delicate effort on Wednesday to win over the man whose candidacy caused so much trouble for the Democratic nominee four years ago.


Mr. Kerry did not ask him to abandon the race, and Mr. Nader showed no signs of bowing out. But Mr. Kerry's wooing did seem to be having the desired effect already. In an interview immediately after what participants called a very friendly one-hour meeting at Mr. Kerry's headquarters, Mr. Nader called Mr. Kerry ''very presidential,'' fondly recalled his antiwar leadership in the 1970's, praised his skills as a politician and quite favorably compared Mr. Kerry to Vice President Al Gore...

Mr. Nader had nothing but kind things to say about Mr. Kerry in a chuckle-filled telephone interview after the meeting. He said he and Mr. Kerry had done a little reminiscing. Mr. Nader recalled inviting Mr. Kerry over for a meeting in 1971 after Mr. Kerry gave his testimony against the Vietnam War to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And Mr. Kerry recalled urging Mr. Nader to run for president in 1980.

''I've known him a long time,'' Mr. Nader said. ''It's hard not to like a 27-year-old guy who comes back from the war and helps lead the antiwar movement.''


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/20/us/kerry-woos-nader-who-declares-him-very-presidential.html?scp=1&sq=nader+and+kerry&st=nyt

Note - As this article said, BOTH Clinton and Obama had less in their pasts that would make Nader respect them and they had MORE things that connected them to things Nader disliked.

The BIGGEST reason Obama did better than Kerry was that 2004 was NOT 2008. In 2008, over 80% said the country was going in the wrong direction;in 2004 in this Gallup poll - http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/polls/usatodaypolls.htm (question number 7) 59% said the country was doing fairly or very well. Both Kerry and Obama ran on nearly the same platform (even on Iraq - Kerry/Feingold, which was the more aggressive prototype of Obama's exit plan was evolved from Kerry's 2004 plan. In 2006, the Iraq Study group recommendations were essentially Kerry's 2004/2005 recommendations.) BUT where 2008 was a year where change was what was wanted, 2004 wasn't.

Your post shows that you really have no idea what you are talking about.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:18 PM
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26. I think you are referring to the post I referenced and not me, right?
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 02:18 PM by AtomicKitten
:hi:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:52 PM
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30. Sorry -
This was sloppy posting by me - and embarrassing as I am, of course, attempting to back up your response.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:55 PM
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31. No worries. ;)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 08:27 PM
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14. Of the seven, not all said no based on Glass/Stegall
The fact is that Kerry bought the argument that this modernization was needed - not for wall street - but to give people what they then said they wanted. A single place to make all these transactions. In retrospect, it was wrong --- but not as obviously wrong as the awful bankruptcy bill.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:10 PM
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24. You are ignoring that they voted against the bill in the Senate to begin with
The original bill was worse - and it had enough votes to pass if the conference report stayed as it was. What seems clear is that there were many changes made to this bill that made it less bad -- likely in return for the promise of votes.

You also need to consider what this bill did. It removed the line keeping banks from being able to provide "one stop financial services". The fact was the non-banks were already doing that and everything you can find in the NYT or elsewhere argued that this was a problem for the banks - as they couldn't compete. Now it is clear that that line would have kept the banks out of trouble.

The repeal of Glass/Stegall did not HAVE to create vulnerabilities and excesses. Had each of the financial areas been adequately regulated, the companies would have been bigger than they were before, but they would not have been as risky as they became. Note that the repeal of Glass/Stegall did not mean that there would not be regulation. That was done by another bill and by SEC head Cox changing leverage from 12 to 44.

The Commodities Future Act that declared that derivatives and credit swaps shouldn't be regulated. This was another bill that was slipped into a budget. In the Senate all the Democrats other than Hollings voted against it. The conference vote on that one was done with the leaders agreeing to it by "unanimous consent".

I posted upthread that the banking committee chair Sarbanes tried in three Congresses to regulate risky mortgages - with Kerry as one of the original sponsors. Kerry also had a plank in the 2004 platform to outlaw risky mortgages - like balloon loans.

I wish Kerry had decided there was not enough good to vote for this bill - but I think your interpretation of his motives is contrary to his positions.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:45 PM
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29. So they voted against the bill before they voted for it, which made it the law of the land
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 03:03 PM by Better Believe It
Why don't you salute and post the comments of those seven Democratic Senators who had the courage to vote against deregulation and were not about to sell their souls to Wall Street, instead of making excuses for those who supported the deregulation of Wall Street?

I've read enough lame excuses in defense of votes to deregulate Wall Street.

The Senators understood what they were voting on and what they were doing. If not, they don't deserve to be in the United States Senate and ought to resign.





FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: CHRISTI HARLAN
Friday, November 12, 1999 202-224-0894


GRAMM'S STATEMENT AT SIGNING CEREMONY
FOR GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY ACT
Sen. Phil Gramm, chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, made the following statement today in a ceremony at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, where President Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act into law:

"The world changes, and Congress and the laws have to change with it.

"Abraham Lincoln used to like to use the analogy that old and outmoded laws need to be changed because it made about as much sense to continue to impose them on people as it did to ask a man to wear the same clothes he did when he was a child.

"In the 1930s, at the trough of the Depression, when Glass-Steagall became law, it was believed that government was the answer. It was believed that stability and growth came from government overriding the functioning of free markets.

"We are here today to repeal Glass-Steagall because we have learned that government is not the answer. We have learned that freedom and competition are the answers. We have learned that we promote economic growth and we promote stability by having competition and freedom.

"I am proud to be here because this is an important bill; it is a deregulatory bill. I believe that that is the wave of the future, and I am awfully proud to have been a part of making it a reality."

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:55 PM
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32. You make no sense. What two bills? n/t
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:40 PM
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33. The original Senate bill that other posters keep bringing up
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 10:41 PM by Better Believe It
Read post #24 by karynnj:

karynnj (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-11-09 01:10 PM
24. You are ignoring that they voted against the bill in the Senate to begin with
The original bill was worse - and it had enough votes to pass if the conference report stayed as it was. What seems clear is that there were many changes made to this bill that made it less bad -- likely in return for the promise of votes.

--------------------------

After the Senate and House went into a joint Senate/House conference with their seperate bills, they agreed on the language for a final bill which easily passed the Senate and became law.

Any questions?

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 10:49 PM
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34. "Any questions?" Yes: Do you understand what you're reading?
You are ignoring that they voted against the bill in the Senate to begin with


That's pretty clear. Clearer still is the roll Call.

As I said to you in an earlier response: What you don't seem to understand is that the repeal was just one of the measures, which passed with Republican support only, in the Conference Report.

Admit when you don't know what you're talking about.





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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 09:39 PM
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15. Why has no Senator introduced a bill reinstating Glass=Stegall?
I dont' get it. You can't blame the repal of Glass-Steagal if you don't have the courage to reinstitiute it.

Kerry would have been a fine President, but he made some stupid errors which the media never let go of, and was also victimized by the Swift Boaters. But he is an excellent Senator.

But, please let's get Glass-Steagal back on the books. What's the hold up?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 12:52 PM
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22. The circumstances now are different.
As a for instance, Senator Carter Glass (D-Va.) and Congressman Henry Steagall (D-Ala.) were Southern populist Dems. Which Southern Dem Senators do you see agitating for the reform of the banking system now?

Senator Dodd, Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, has held the following hearings as a prelude to legislation of the type you seek: http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Newsroom.Video

March 31st 02:30 PM Lessons from the New Deal

March 31st 10:00 AM EXECUTIVE SESSION to MARK-UP and VOTE on S. 414, Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009

March 26th 09:30 AM Enhancing Investor Protection and the Regulation of Securities Markets – Part II

March 24th 10:00 AM Modernizing Bank Supervision and Regulation, Part II

March 19th 02:00 PM Current Issues in Deposit Insurance

March 19th 10:30 AM Modernizing Bank Supervision and Regulation "Video Courtesy of C-SPAN"

March 18th 03:00 PM Lessons Learned in Risk Management Oversight at Federal Financial Regulators

March 17th 09:30 AM Perspectives on Modernizing Insurance Regulation

March 12th 10:00 AM Sustainable Transportation Solutions: Investing in Transit to Meet 21st Century Challenges

March 10th 10:30 AM Enhancing Investor Protection and the Regulation of Securities Markets

March 5th 10:00 AM American International Group: Examining what went wrong, government intervention, and implications for future regulation

March 3rd 10:00 AM Consumer Protections in Financial Services: Past Problems, Future Solutions

February 26th 10:00 AM Homeowner Affordability and Stability Plan

February 24th 10:00 AM The Semiannual Monetary Policy Report to the Congress

February 12th 10:00 AM Modernizing Consumer Protection in the Financial Regulatory System: Strengthening Credit Card Protections

February 10th 10:00 AM Executive Session: Vote on the Committee budget Resolution, Nominations, and Oversight of the Financial Rescue Program: A New Plan for the TARP

February 5th 10:00 AM Pulling Back the TARP: Oversight of the Financial Rescue Program

February 4th 03:00 PM Modernizing the U.S. Financial Regulatory System

January 27th 10:00 AM Madoff Investment Securities Fraud: Regulatory and Oversight Concerns and the Need for Reform


See any themes developing here?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-11-09 02:44 PM
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28. I think they are awaiting the promised Obama administration proposal
Edited on Sat Apr-11-09 02:50 PM by karynnj
to clean up the mess with new regulation.

I doubt they will reinstate Glass/Segall as it was written in the 1930s. As Kerry mentioned in his speech here, there was a 2 decade effort to modernize the rules. Obviously, the change made should have included far more constraints and regulations -both of which Kerry wanted. (Neither Gore or Kerry would have picked an SEC head who allowed leverage to go from 12 to 44 and I doubt Kerry would have pushed for derivatives and credit swaps being unregulated.)

However, it was the banks asking to be allowed to participate in the new Financial world. They saw themselves as losing out by being limited to a small sector of financial transactions.

In the 1970s and 1980s, most people kept their money in the bank. Those with a significant amount of money could get higher interests by putting their money into bank CDs or they could buy a US Treasury bill through their banks. By the end of the 1990s, a huge percent of affluent people had moved the bulk of their money to Mutual Funds - where money market accounts were, in their eyes the equivalent to savings banks. Consider in the 1970s, it would not be unusual for someone to accumulate $50,000 in a bank account. There were wealthy people keeping more than $100,000 in multiple banks to be sure that FDIC covered it. But, with banks giving low (I think about 3% interest) and companies like Fidelity Funds having much better rates of return - and looking just as safe when you were speaking just of the money markets funds, the banks all lost a large percent of the value in the accounts they held.

What is clear is that regulations need to be tightened. It might also be that all financial companies will have regulated and unregulated components. (This can work - AT&T, in a totally different industry had a regulated telephone business and unregulated businesses where the rules of how those parts interacted was strictly spelled out) Alternatively, it might be that all financial activities should be regulated - some stricter than others.
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