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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:20 PM
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Putting the wingnuts' tea party FAIL in context
April 16, 2009

Democrats: The Tea Party protests weren’t just “no big deal” – they were a major political disappointment for the conservative right and a massive disaster for Fox News. The big winner of the day was actually Barack Obama

by James Vega, April 16, 2009

At first glance, this may not seem obvious. After all, the most serious estimate of the events’ size – by Nate Silver – suggests that as many as 250,000 people around the country may have participated. That doesn’t sound like a failure.

But, put into context, it is.

The context I’m talking about is what the conservative backers of the events hoped –and in fact desperately needed – to happen.

The objective of the campaign was to demonstrate that there really was a significant grass-roots surge of opposition growing to the Obama administrations’ economic and political agenda – a surge of opposition that was not reflected in the opinion polls. To be a success in these terms, the events had to convincingly show a genuine and spontaneous groundswell of “ordinary folks” coming out in cities, towns across America. If the protests turned out to be just a spring break reunion of the same, pissed-off gang who showed up for the Sarah Palin rallies last fall, it would be a huge failure.

Here’s how the FreedomWorks website put it:

“These events are not simply showcasing conservative ire, but recruiting volunteers to join the ranks of FreedomWorks as we march on to our membership goal of a million activists committed to liberty; a force capable of not only doing battle with the Left, but winning.”

And here is Debbie Ellis Dooby, grassroots coordinator for FreedomWorks in Georgia:

“I think of what General Yamamoto said after he had been told of the attack on Pearl Harbor. He said, ‘They have just succeeded in awakening a sleeping giant’. I think that’s what’s happening now, the awakening of a Silent Majority”

The organizers did not necessarily think they would reach their goals immediately, but the urgent political and public relations objective they urgently needed to achieve was to exceed the size of the major peace, anti-Bush and pro-immigration demonstrations of the preceding years. They needed to be able to say that “the real America” had now come out, dwarfing the puny demonstrations of the “Loony Left” and their followers.

They didn’t succeed.

As Chris Bowers details, the February 15th 2003 anti-Iraq invasion protests produced substantially larger crowds in major US cities -- in New York – 100,000, in Los Angeles – 50-60,000, in San Francisco – 150,000, in Seattle – 50,000, in Chicago – 10,000.

And then there were the 2006 “national day of action for immigration justice” demonstrations – several hundred thousand people participated in Washington, DC, more than 100,000 in Los Angeles and the same in Phoenix, Arizona. 30,000-40,000 turned out in Atlanta and lesser numbers in scores of cities.

By contrast, according to Nate Silver’s estimates the biggest Tea Party – in Atlanta, where Sean Hannity spoke, attracted around 7,000 people. Then came Denver, Phoenix, Madison, San Antonio, Olympia, Lansing, Jacksonville, Oklahoma City and Dallas with around 4,500-5,000 participants in each. At the next level were cities like Sacramento, Tulsa, Hartford, Sioux Falls, Cincinnati, and Nashville -with 3,000-4,000 each. Smaller cities across the country had correspondingly smaller turnouts.

All together, Silver estimated about 250,000 participated across the county – significantly less than either the anti-war or pro-immigration protests.

And don’t think for a moment the conservative movement wasn’t absolutely desperate to beat those comparisons. The best proof is the complete absence of headlines trumpeting the “historic” turnout numbers on the Fox website today. Somewhere in the graphics department over at Fox HQ graphic designers have been deleting useless files with all sorts of lurid background visuals they had prepared for today - - visuals covered with flags, eagles and headlines saying “A Million Patriots stand up for America”, “The Silent Majority Shows Obama Its Muscle”, “Biggest Grass-Roots Protests in US history Shake Obama Administration To Its Core”, “Million-Plus Tea Bag Protesters Send Obama unmistakable Message” and so on.

In fact, the ultimate effect of the Tea Bag Party protests was, in political terms, actually counterproductive. Rather than impressing and intimidating the Obama administration and impressing non-base voters, the relatively modest size of the protests has reassured the administration and had no effect on most Americans. A protest movement needs tens of thousands of people to show up in a range of major cities to make a significant political impression, it needs thousands of people in mid-sized and smaller cities and hundreds in small towns. The Tea Bag protests were, in general, an order of magnitude smaller in each category. In fact, they looked like just what they were – gatherings of the rock-ribbed conservative base that everyone already knew was out there.

Bottom line: in political terms, the demonstrations didn’t move the dial at all. Result: the big, really big winner of the day was Barack Obama.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 05:28 PM
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1. Rec'd~ Typical underestimating for the anti-war on Iraq
protest on Feb 15, 2003. I was there in NYC and there were hundreds of thousands of people that the NYT didn't even report on..this is how myths get perpetuated.

"As Chris Bowers details, the February 15th 2003 anti-Iraq invasion protests produced substantially larger crowds in major US cities -- in New York – 100,000, in Los Angeles – 50-60,000, in San Francisco – 150,000, in Seattle – 50,000, in Chicago – 10,000."

There were millions around to world who said "NO TO WAR".

This little teabaggin party was based on lies and "faux fanned falsehoods"..how the hell could it build with no foundation?
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:55 PM
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5. They keep on kicking themselves in the nuts.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 07:13 PM
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6. Not sure they
have any left.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:00 PM
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7. LOL I should have said, kicking themselves in
their teabags.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:01 PM
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2. Rec again.
I'd been wanting a report from Atlanta but had no chance to look for it.

KO covered Tallahassee last night :rofl:

FAIL for my territory!:rofl:
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:22 PM
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3. In addition it's turned into a huge embarrassment. Any future use of the word tea bag will bring to...
mind a sexual gag.

I love it. N
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fugop Donating Member (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:44 PM
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4. Oh my
Funniest thing with this is I followed it all the way to the Bowers piece and read comments there. The last one had a link to some google spreadsheet with the "attendance numbers." Pretty hilarious. Some of the sources for the estimates were O'Reilly and Free Republic. Very amusing indeed.
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