OMG!!!! Pat Buchanan WENT OVER THE TOP NOW!!! I'M DONE!!

[vaberella]

Pat Buchanan: It's like if you use all this lingo from Harlem and put it on a test it's gonna be unfair to White Folks.

How is this NOT racist?

We don't speak English in Harlem? White Folks why are in you in Harlem...leave! You can't understand what we're saying, according to Pat Buchanan. Unless of course you took a class in Harlem lingo.:argh:

[K Gardner]

1. Buchanan: "The white guys studied harder." I can't watch it, it's nauseating.

[vaberella]

2. Dear God...I missed that one. I was taken over by the Harlem comment since I'm from Harlem. n/t

[wryter2000]

6. He said that?

:wow:

When will the stop putting him on TV?

[Auggie]

13. Maybe this is an opportunity for us to get him off NBC

If enough people complain...

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

52. I may get hell for this, but why is it wrong to say that? Maybe the white guys DID study harder?

would it be racist if he said the black guys started harder and passed the test if it were reversed?

[Stellabella]

53. The history of this country is why it's wrong to say that.

Racists like Buchanan promote the ignorant stereotype of African-Americans being lazy and less educated. What he said perpetuates that stereotype and piles more insult onto centuries of repression.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

55. So it's not okay to say a white person may have studied harder than a black person for a test

due to the country's history...even if that's probably what happened? One of the men who took the test had a friggen MENTAL DISABILITY and probably studied rigorously for it. But because he's white and the person who failed the test is black, we're not allowed to say that??

[Solomon]

59. How 'bout if the people in this protective little group pass out

the answers to certain people and not others before the test is taken? Hunh?

Hunh?

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

64. Is that what you're saying happened in the case? There's no evidence for that at all. nt

[Raineyb]

66. So what are you saying that black people are somehow inherently stupider?

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

74. Where the hell did I say that black people are inherently "stupider"??

please show me where I stated that. I didnt' know that stating that the person who passed who was white may have studied harder than the black person who studied = me saying ALL black people are inherently more stupid!

who knew!!!?

[Stellabella]

78. How the hell do you know 'that's probably what happened??'

Seems to me you're seconding Buchanan's racism.

[jbnow]

80. Might be a reference to the guy who is suing. He talked about

the months he put in studying in part because of his learning disability and he really wanted to be eligible for promotion. A black coworker did the same thing. (and passed) Probably many studied though, sounded like it was pretty demanding.

The test is under seal though and I guess the point will be if the questions themselves might have cultural bias

But nothing changes the fact that pat buchanan is a bigot.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

89. You know, throwing around that something is racist doens't make it so

and I don't believe saying that simply saying someone may have studied harder is racist, and you can't convince me of that. sorry.

The person had a learning disability who was white. He did everything he could, including getting help, in order to pass that test. Like someone said, a black woman PASSED the test. If it was so discriminatory towards all black people, how exactly did she pass????

Isn't it MORE racist to say that black people are straight up slow in certain test taking, than to say that two, equally capable people of different races probably studied to a different degree?

Like I said, we need to see the test to decide if it is really discriminatory or not. They should release the test and let us decide.

[Raineyb]

65. If there was a test where only black people passed Buchanan would be

flailing on the floor demanding a new test be made up because clearly something is wrong with the test that no white people passed it.

But when no black people pass it means that there's something wrong with every single black person who took the test.

And you don't see the racism in such an assertion? What are you fucking blind?

[Empowerer]

73. THANK you - I just wrote the same thing before reading your post

You know you're right, don't you?

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

75. I need to see the test before I make any judgments on the test.

The naacp man was asserting that multiple choice questions were discriminatory against black people. Well, the african american female who was valedictorian at my school who got an A on every single multiple choice test didn't get that memo! So I find that argument SILLY.

[Stellabella]

79. Perhaps the guy from the NAACP has more research at his disposal than you do?

Saying that argument is 'silly' on the basis of ONE person you knew is, well, much more than silly. It's dumb.

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

83. I just don't buy it.

I had no trouble in doing multiple choice and still as a student in college have no problem in it. I don't know anyone who feels that multiple choice is so much harder than anything else. I just find the whole argument that black people have some sort of automatic disability when it comes to test taking offensive imo; much more-so than someone saying that a white person may have studied harder and passed. Infact, saying that blacks are insufficient/slow in testing than all other races is MUCH more racist than saying two equally sufficient men of two different races may have studied differently and received different outcomes.

[jbnow]

81. Some black and hispanics passed the test, just not many. nt

[butterfly77]

68. Its not about the white guys studying harder...

its the fact that he is saying that whites are smarter than blacks and if they speak the so called Harlem lingo that they can't be smart or knowledgeable.

[Empowerer]

72. If I thought for a minute that Pat Buchanan would react this way if only black people passed this

test, I might not think his comment was racist. But I know - and I think that just about everyone else with a brain knows, as well - that if only black people passed this test and no white person made the cut, Buchanan would NEVER claim that this just meant the black guys studied harder and knew more. He would be screaming from pillar to post that this test was rigged.

[Enthusiast]

86. Because it is the prevailing stereotype

And this is one of the excuses used to promote white supremacy.

[BlooInBloo]

91. Yeah, maybe.

[BlooInBloo]

3. Heh. Maddening, isn't it?

[vaberella]

8. Are you White, you might not understand me?! I'm from Harlem. Is my lingo too tight?!

Damn, I'm at a lost for words.

[BlooInBloo]

10. White: yes. Understand you: yes. Buchanan: just a bigot making up all the usual shit.

[vaberella]

15. I know...this was out of control though.

This had to be a completely racist comment and he needs to issue an apology.

[BlooInBloo]

20. I know - I saw it coming and deliberately turned to ESPN ahead of time....

He needs to apologize for his *life*.

[CitizenLeft]

56. hell yeah... turned on the Cavs game

I knew yesterday when Matthews said he'd have that guy on that I wouldn't watch it. Disgusting. Glad the game was on tonight.

GO CAVS! WITNESS!!! :bounce:

[ellacott]

62. One Goal

Go Cavs!!:headbang:

I watched the game also and had no interest in Tweety's program.

[CitizenLeft]

67. hey neighbor!

:hi: This is the year. I wish I could afford to see a game, but the prices are just too much for me. Damn shame, too. I was a season ticket holder from '71-'98. Hurts like hell not to be able to go NOW - OF ALL TIMES! Dammit!

But hey - I'll celebrate from home! :applause:

[muntrv]

4. Pukecannon, go spoon with David Duke!

[Phx_Dem]

5. Dear God. He's giving Imus a run for his money.

What's surprising is that this type of racist talk from Pat always goes unchallenged by the hosts.

Too bad Larry O'Donnell wasn't on with him. He would have handed him his ass.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Doo Mass Buchanan..... silly rabbit, brain cells are for kids...

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20041021205759data_trunc_sys.shtml




Researchers at the University of Southern California say malnutrition in the first few years of life leads to antisocial and aggressive behavior throughout childhood and late adolescence. "These are the first findings to show that malnutrition in the early postnatal years is associated with behavior problems through age 17," said Jianghong Liu, lead author of the study which appears in the American Journal of Psychiatry. "Identifying the early risk factors for this behavior in childhood and adolescence is an important first step for developing successful prevention programs for adult violence," she said. For 14 years, researchers followed the nutritional, behavioral and cognitive development of more than 1,000 children who lived on Mauritius, an island in the Indian Ocean off the coast of Africa.

The children's intelligence level and cognitive ability were also tested, and social workers visited their homes to come up with a so-called adversity score that summarized factors such as the income, occupation, health, age and education levels of their parents and their overall living conditions. At ages 8, 11 and 17 years, the researchers looked at how the children were behaving in school and at home. Over time, a link became evident between malnourishment and antisocial or aggressive behavior, said Adrian Raine, a co-author of the study. Compared to those in the control group - the group that did not suffer from nutritional deficiencies - malnourished children showed a 41 percent increase in aggression at age 8 and a 51 percent increase in violent and antisocial behavior at age 17.

While social class did not play a significant factor in behavior, intelligence level did, Raine said. "Poor nutrition, characterized by zinc, iron, vitamin B and protein deficiencies, leads to low IQ, which leads to later antisocial behavior," he said. "These are all nutrients linked to brain development." Researchers also found that the more indicators of malnutrition there were, the greater the antisocial behavior. "There's more to antisocial behavior than nutrition, but we argue that it is an important missing link," Raine said. "Biology is not destiny. We can change the biological disposition to antisocial and aggressive behavior."

[Xipe Totec]

9. I'm sorry, you MUST translate to Yankonics to be understood.

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/rdkdkm/Yank.html

[vaberella]

14. I'm from Harlem and Black...I can't understand what you want me to do. n/t

[Xipe Totec]

24. ROFL!

:rofl:

:thumbsup:

[HopeOverFear]

11. Pat just don't be givin a fuck, do he?

that old man's like "fuck it, I'm old, racist and proud of it, deal with it" :rofl:

[vaberella]

18. I realize a lot of times Old people don't have a leash...

but like Prince Phillip for years..you lock this guy in a closet.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

41. You certainly don't give him a microphone twice in a week.

[vaberella]

47. No you don't. This guy really just wants to call someone the N word. n/t

[liberalmuse]

12. BuKKKanon is a fuggin' idiot.

Pay him no mind. I am just stunned that he's been allowed to spew his nonsense over the airwaves for almost 20 years now.

[NYC_SKP]

16. vaberella, here's something to make you smile... ;-)

I met the mayor last year and I have to admit: that's one good looking man, more so in person!

:hi:

[vaberella]

19. Oh Bless you. Maybe he took a class on my Harlem Lingo...:)

I love that face. Yum.

[HopeOverFear]

30. Who the hell is THAT brick house???

[vaberella]

35. The man who makes my panties moist.

He's the current Mayor of San Francisco and will run for Governor of California. His name is Gavin Newsom.

[HopeOverFear]

48. I don't blame you...he is FOINE!!!!!

[Stellabella]

54. Too cool - he follows me on Twitter!

[Cha]

17. Call or write msnbc on

his racist ass. Let them know you don't appreciate the Low calibre of their programming.

[firedupdem]

21. I sent hardball an email 2 days ago letting him know he lost a

faithful viewer. Fuck that show giving a platform to that old racist jerk!

[vaberella]

25. Completely. I just called the show and left my thoughts there.

I'm going to send an email to both Rachel Maddow and KO to put this guy on their worst persons list. This is out of control.

[firedupdem]

27. He's getting worse! He is horrible. He has really been nuts this

week. I'm glad I stuck to my guns and didn't tune in today. When I heard what the show was covering, I knew it would be a mess.

[Cha]

42. I think because he's allowed to

get away with so much..it only escalates.

[butterfly77]

69. He's scared like the rest of the media..

Oh my God a black man is the president!They are taking over the country so I wonder what in the hell the other races in this country are suppose to be thinking for all of these years that a white man has been running the country. They can't see past color no matter what. They are trying their best to find an issue that relates to color they will be in full force with this garbage by 2010...

[Vadem]

22. OMG! I'm so fricking sick of these gasbag, blowhards..... Did any

one see him last week; they were talking about 9/11 and Buchanan said something like "yes, and that MISSILE that hit the Pentagon" or words to that effect! It was on Tweety's show and neither he nor any of the other panelists said a word about his comment--they all just kept blowing on! I'm so sick of all of them!


Very telling, don't you think?

[boobooday]

23. I really believe he has dirty pictures of someone at GE

I cannot for the life of me figure out why he gets so much airtime. He is an old gasbaggy bastard.

And he is a racist, and a sexist, and he is moldy too.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

26. Whose show was he on now?

[vaberella]

28. Chris "Tweety" Matthew's HardBall on MSNBC. n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

29. WTF again?!?!? After yesterday? Did he have a counter this time?

[blaze]

31. This just confirms, for me

my decision to quit watching Matthews was the right decision.

Pity. I kinda like the guy but if I wanted to hear this kinda stuff over and over again I'd be watching Fox and logging in to Freeperland.

[Thrill]

32. Well Pat has never tried to hide being racist

[vaberella]

34. He actually said so. Tweety was like you're still holding strong to this old mentality.

And he said something along the lines of, "Yes."

[Tab]

33. Now, if they had only officially taught Ebonics

we wouldn't be having this problem...

Sheesh. Just when you think Pat Buchanan might be redeeming himself...

[opihimoimoi]

36. He missed them courses in College....Logic and Reason

[demwing]

37. Its ok

but to get along in this world you better learn to speak jive

[JerseygirlCT]

38. Did you catch the part where he set up two examples

of doing well on tests? The white guys on some sort of academic test, and then he compared it to a race - where, of course, the black guys were all going to win.

My mouth was hanging open.

edited, because it's "he set up", not "you set up". Fingers moving faster than brain...

[SemiCharmedQuark]

39. Yesterday he compared a firehouse hiring only irish guys with an italian restaurant hiring only

italians or the NBA

[JerseygirlCT]

40. It's like that crazy guy who's a neighbor of your parents, you know?

And you just sort of avoid him at events because he's going to start spurting things like that...

[Uzybone]

43. Pat is Archie Bunker personified

racist, sexist, anti semite man...somehow gets on TV way too much and is coddled by media "liberals". MSNBC should have canned him a long time ago. They dropped Imus, yet Buchanan is ok?

[leftofthedial]

44. what's he talking about?

would that be blingo?

sorry, I'm a phathead.

Do you have to swim to get to Harlem? I'm just sayin...

[vaberella]

46. I wouldn't recommend swimming, it's rat infested. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

45. that's terrible. nt

[Clio the Leo]

49. You ever notice how sometimes Uncle Pat laughs at what he's saying....

.... because SOMETIMES he knows it's so crazy even HE cannot say it with a straight face?

I'm in sales .... which means I'm a BS artist by trade ..... and I can spot another one at 20 paces.

Pat Buchannan is one of the greatest living BS artists in the world today.

Dont let him frustrate you, he's just screwing with your head ... it's like a game to him I'm sure. ;)

[Colobo]

50. Fuck Pat. Racist dinosaur.

[cherish44]

51. Write MSNBC and tell them to get this piece of racist garbage off the air

Actually I rarely watch Tweety anyway. I don't know why MSNBC keeps giving this rightwing assholes airtime. They have their own network, let them go to Fox. We need a network that's free of crazy, racist, wingbat hate talk.

[Vinca]

57. IMHO, Tweety was every bit as bad as Pat because he enabled it.

That's the worst I've ever seen Buchanan. The only thing he didn't do was put on his robe.

[OneGrassRoot]

58. Has anyone heard what the heck was on that test....

that even led to this crap?

Last I heard the test itself was sealed. The discussions about this on M$M are outrageous, but I'm curious what led to this whole thing?

Someone here mentioned that they felt someone fed a lot of the applicants the answers ahead of time...mainly the white guys, giving them the advantage.

Is there seriously something that could have been on the test that was unfair in some way?

Color me clueless....sorry for my ignorance or if the question offends.

[gkhouston]

60. No, it's sealed. And we didn't get enough information from that so-called

"discussion" to know why the city gave such heavy weighting to this test as opposed to interviews, in comparison with other cities.

[OneGrassRoot]

63. Thanks. :) n/t

[Orsino]

61. Buchanan: still unaware that Archie Bunker was a joke. n/t

[Zomby Woof]

70. He went over the top years ago

Starting when he worked for Nixon, and continuing into the 80's, when he fondly referred to apartheid-era South Africa as "The Boer Republic". What did you expect from a man whose father taught his children to revere Francisco Franco in their house while growing up?

[Honeycombe8]

71. I don't think that's a racist comment.

To deny there are colloquoial (sp?) uses of English in different areas of the country is to deny reality.

There are expressions used in some southern states that are not used in yankee states.

There are differences in eating habits and other behaviors in different parts of the country.

AND there are differences in the way people speak locally, in different parts of the country.

Remember that argument a few years ago by some Af. Americans...they wanted ebonics recognized formally, taught in schools, etc.?

I've never been to Harlem, so I dont know specifically about that area. But in all other areas of the country I've been in...they speak locally in a way, however subtle, that no one else in the country speaks like.

[City Lights]

76. I've been Pat-free for 14 months!

Daytime GE-TV too. It feels great to have Pat out of my system. I made sure to let msnbc know that I would be switching channels every time Pat appeared on my teevee. (They didn't care that I wouldn't watch...they gave him more airtime!) :argh:

[ecstatic]

77. he was in full form yesterday!

Amazing :eyes: :crazy:

[vaberella]

82. Full form and he pissed me off beyond belief. I actually can't tune into Tweety.

I love Tweets, but this was too much for me.

[KitchenWitch]

84. This surprises you?

[vaberella]

85. He doesn't surprise me...it's the first time it's insulting to me directly though.

Since I'm a Black woman from Harlem. This is added to the fact I'm ridiculously disappointed in Tweety. As can be seen by my sig and my avie I adore him. Normally he rips PB a new one for his old time racist ideology...but this time---not so much. It was frustrating and disappointing as hell that my favorite reporter just let PB get away with being a racist on air.

[Bluenorthwest]

87. Pat is an across the board bigot

And I welcome you to the Buchanan Boycott! He's been this way for many years, and I simply do not watch anything with Pat. I see his face, I send an email. He's bigoted against black people, gay people, latino people, and that is really just the tip of the iceberg with him.
I am glad I missed his latest round of spewing. Let's all write letters about Pat! Please?!?

Also, I love your neighborhood.

So fuck Pat Buchanan.

[Dappleganger]

88. In agreement that he really went over the top in that one...

several people made threads about it so it must've made a bad impression. I always thought it was there, he was just standing on his bigoted heart until the right opportunity to lash out. I can't believe MSNBC continues to send this idiot a paycheck.

[vaberella]

90. What kills me the most is the fact that MSNBC doesn't take responsibility for this!

This was on their watch. At least Tweety to say something about how offensive it was to the audience to give that guy a damn platform to spew his shite. I give my time and loyalty to MSNBC out of all the MSM's and no one calls him out. Not a single person on MSNBC. KO doesn't call the bastard out and neither does RM, let alone Tweety.