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[KoKo]

Obama is an Incredible and Gifted Person...He is the Best Candidate we could get as Dems...

We hit the "JackPot" with this guy.

My growing concern is that he's as suave and entertainment oriented as Reagan, as Nuanced in Humor and as personally engaging in his humor and humanity as Kennedy and Clinton, and more Savvy than Carter.

What does that leave us with?

He seems to be the "Entertainer-in-Chief" while his appointees do the dirty work of trashing Progressive Democrats agenda..in league with our US Senate. Seems all the bills up from the US House that are "for the people" keep getting TRASHED IN THE US Senate.

How can we work to get Obama back on track? What can we do? Seems Fax, Phone and Petitions aren't working.

Is there some other way to reach him? :shrug:

[NYC_SKP]

1. You should have quit at "...more savvy than Carter."

I don't see what his is doing as that far away from what he said he'd do during the campaign.

The problem may be more with Congress.

[KoKo]

2. He promised CHANGE in his Campaign, though...

just asking..

[NYC_SKP]

3. He's not delivering as quickly as we'd all like, true.

But I see the progress...and I appreciate the complexity inherent in the things that need to be changed.

[KoKo]

7. I can see what some DU'ers say: "Obama is Playing a Chess Game" but without him pushing the Senate

it seems that many Progressive Bills up from US House are dying there for Reform of Stock Market, Credit Card abuse and Bankruptcy Reform.

He's now caved on releasing the Torture Photos ...but that could be a REAL CHESS GAME..and I'll wait and see...yet..the Chess Game he plays has us on the Left being the losers..time after time. Maybe it's all in the "end game" where it's revealed. But, how long do we wait for "Check Mate?"...or better?

[NYC_SKP]

9. I know what you're saying, he could take much more public and vocal positions...

I think he's got patience that most of us don't have, and he takes a much longer view than we are willing or able to.

Remember, he's everyone's president, so it truly works better to give others opportunities to do the right thing (even if he's sure they won't), and incrementally put the pressure on.

Also, we need to hold our congress people accountable, to put pressure on them WITH the president and not expect him to do what we expect.

I think releasing the memos was a classic example of a very meaningful and powerful gesture that set things in motion while seeming benign.

I hope I'm right.

[KoKo]

10. I've got fingers crossed that he's still leaving it up to US out here to Push Him...

I'm worried I'm seeing signals that the "Good Life" is getting to him...and he really might think he doesn't need "us out here" when it's all said and done. That's my worry. I'm probably just too concerned too early...but, given what some of us have been through...it's a concern. Hope I don't get DU "rocks thrown at me" as some kind of "Concern Troll." Sometimes it's really important to express concern if it's warranted by actions or non-actions, though.

[NYC_SKP]

12. Nah,

You're quite moderate and reasonable in your concern and in the way you express it.

You won't get any dramatic responses from me.

:toast:

[NoSheep]

4. I'm one of those people who doesn't think he is off track. My thinking is this:

I think he's doing everything he can do and playing this as calmly as possible.

The conservatives still own the media. Congress is largely corrupt.

That's how the last 8 years were allowed to happen. That didn't change when Obama was elected. He will be smeared in the ground by them if he goes after this with the vengeance I would. Hell, he can't even get the congress to vote for many of his plans and we have the majority. I'm happy someone with their head screwed on straight is in charge and not me. If anything can be done, it has to drip out. We have to get America to think it was their idea...because they "learned the truth" and believe me, they WILL HAVE TO LEARN IT because they as yet do not know what we know here. We are really in a minority, even among Democrats. We are informed because we make it our business to be informed. Most are not informed. He would have appeared crazy to go after them out of the box. As long as we have no control over main stream media...we have no choice but to let the truth ooze out at a speed that is palatable for the majority of people in this country.

Then there is the fact that we are dealing with a real cluster F--- where proving illegality is concerned. under the very best circumstances, this would take a lot of time. meanwhile, he's dealing with the bag of flaming shit left for him by the Bush Administration. I feel we must be realistic.

Also, saying that he appears to be "entertainer in chief" really sounds like you don't know what's going on. You aren't giving him credit for all the good work he has done since he was elected. Also, the fact that he is likable played a major role in his being elected. You can't fault him for that. It worked in our favor. it will always work in our favor.

We have to be patient. We have to complain and complain loudly. Everyday. Even here. Demanding what we want. we have to remain visible and continue to share what we know, but to not grasp what reality is can only be counterproductive. Can't we demand prosecution and accountability without biting what many feel is a most competent hand that is trying to help us?

[Laelth]

5. Well said. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[NoSheep]

6. Thanks. I'd say it in an OP but watching it sink is more sinking I can't take.

[KoKo]

8. I still have hope what you say is the "truth of it." But, I'm getting concerned

Thanks for your post....because what you say is what we do need to keep doing to be heard. I just worry that it's enough...and that's why I posted.

[NoSheep]

11. We have to stay loud. REALLY loud. Our voices will be normalized if we stay visible and loud.

And the country will know Obama has our support when this all comes down. If there is one iota of that man who doesn't feel the way that I do, I want to make sure he hears me. But I just do not believe for a second that he is corrupt. His life choices have proven that. And I won't play into an idiot's hands by allowing my occasional impatience to add to the ridiculous debate as to his competence and motives. He's too smart and his policies reveal where his heart is. He's a grown up. Who else could have looked those insane debate moderators in the face and said: "Now that's just silly." ?

[KoKo]

14. I don't believe Obama is corrupt, but "power" does "corrupt." We need to keep after him

particularly now when the power is most evident to corrupt him. That's what I'm saying. I'm worried that all the attention over his Press Club speech and Michelle's truly wonderful breath of fesh air in her policy and fasion might go to their heads. And, that's exactly what our corporate media does....it builds you up ...then crashes you down.

We have to keep at him...but with a Congress that really doesn't listen to our phone/fax/e-mails...we need to find some other way.

What do you think? Or, should we just "trust." I'm not comfortable with just "trust."

[NoSheep]

15. I hear you. I am very uncomfortable, But it's because I worry that the corruption in

Congress and in the Judiciary may impede justice. The Obamas have been intelligent, handsome, grown-up individuals for a long time. I really think these things can only help us, really. If two people of color can think their way out of the box society tends to put them in, manage to come from average families and achieve what they have achieved, I do really think they are beyond allowing the attention to go to their heads. I really wouldn't worry about it changing their gut too much. Once you see the light, it's nearly impossible to turn it off.

But I worry. I worry alot. His administration needs all our support on this issue. And I think we should be able to debate ALL policy without debating his motives and his personality.

Do you think it could be what we have seen, especially in the past 8 yrs, that makes it so hard for us to trust him?

I am a hardcore skeptic and have been all my life. I cannot entertain fiction. Paying attention to reality is the only hobby I've ever really had that remains with me today.

What to do... Continue to let your voice be heard. STAY LOUD!

Turn off the Corporate media. EXCEPT, do watch KO and Maddow, LOL. I guess GE is hedging their bets where our liberal media personalities are concerned! It is wonderful to watch a show where people talk who you can agree with but notice how they are pointing out truth without demonizing the administration and they aren't fawning all over them either. They are staying focused on the issues that need to be fully exposed. These are our heroes now, really. It had to be Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert during the very worst of it...they were the only ones who could get by with it, but now...it's getting better by the day.

Don't sniff the green Koolaid and then wonder why you can't see the reality that you could have seen if you'd not gotten so close. Get into Culture Jamming. Be creative! Anything to pass the time. Keep writing letters. Keep informing everyone you know because they WILL go and discuss it with someone who will turn around and discuss it with someone, etc. That's how it happens. Cultural dissemination.

Thanks for your OP.

[Kaleko]

13. Excellent post.

Thumbs way up for that one.