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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:05 AM
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President Obama's "Base"

Who are they?


Voter Polls Find Obama Built a Broad Coalition

Senator Barack Obama, the first African-American nominee for president, drew more support in Tuesday’s election than any recent candidates of the Democratic Party among a broad range of demographic groups, including several that typically favor Republicans.

Promising change to a country now in recession, Mr. Obama built a coalition that included majorities of women, independent voters, political moderates, Hispanics, African-Americans, people of most income groups and education levels and voters under age 45, according to nationwide surveys of voters leaving the polls on Tuesday and telephone interviews of some people who had voted early.

The Republican nominee, Senator John McCain, won majorities of a few groups that make up his party’s staunchest supporters — white men, older Americans, evangelical Christians and conservatives.

Mr. McCain won a majority of all white voters, both men and women. But Mr. Obama.... did better among white voters over all than a string of Democratic nominees, including John Kerry and Al Gore.

Mr. Obama outperformed Democratic nominees of the past eight presidential elections among women, blacks, young voters, moderates and independents.

Among the Republican-leaning groups that moved into the Democratic column for Mr. Obama were mothers and Catholics. Rural voters split their votes, with a bare majority supporting Mr. McCain, while Mr. Obama built on recent Democratic Party gains in the once reliably Republican suburbs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/us/politics/05poll.html?ref=us



The African-American Vote

The possibility of an African American achieving the highest office in the nation was, for the vast majority of African Americans, a watershed moment and a manifestation of the work of Martin Luther King Jr. and other civil rights activists. Exit polls reported that 97 percent of African Americans voted for Obama.


The Female Vote

According to MSNBC, women were one key to Obama’s success. Women are normally “crucial to a Democratic victory” and, according to exit polls, Obama “was pulling 55 percent of votes, compared with 43 percent for McCain.” Women also made up a larger portion of the electorate than men, exit polls showed.


The Hispanic Vote

Prior to the election, the Obama campaign said it was spending $20 million to recruit the Hispanic vote by means of “get-out-the-vote efforts and Spanish-language media.” The campaign translated Obama’s 30-minute “infomercial” to Spanish and broadcast it on Univision in just one effort to sway Hispanic voters and communicate Obama’s economic message, which proposes tax cuts for middle-class Americans. the Hispanic voter percentage of Obama supporters—67 percent.


The Jewish Vote

Despite late-in-the-game tactics by the McCain team that attempted to paint Obama as unsupportive of Israel, Obama was still able to recruit Jewish voters in great numbers. He was spurred by get-out-the-vote support by volunteers and Jewish celebrities like Sarah Silverman, who organized a “Great Schlep” to Florida to convince Jewish parents and grandparents to vote for the Democrat.

Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz, citing exit polls, reported November 5 that Obama “received about 77 percent of the Jewish vote.


The Asian-American Vote

John Nichols of The Nation, reporting on Obama’s “many majorities” Nov. 5, put the number of Asian supporters for the president-elect at 63 percent, just slightly less than the Hispanic voter percentage of Obama supporters—67 percent.
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/politics/2008/November/Obama-Victory-Sealed-by-Minorities--Women.html


The Youth Vote

Between 22 and 24 million young Americans ages 18–29 voted, resulting in an estimated youth voter turnout (the percentage of eligible voters who actually cast a vote) of between 49.3 and 54.5 percent, according to an exit poll analysis released Nov. 4 by CIRCLE, a nonpartisan research center at Tufts University. This is an increase of 1 to 6 percentage points over the estimated youth turnout in 2004, and an increase of between 8 and 13 percentage points over the turnout in the 2000 election. The all-time highest youth turnout was 55.4 percent in 1972, the first year that 18-year-olds could vote in a presidential election.

Sixty-six percent of young voters cast their ballot for Barack Obama, the largest-ever showing for a presidential candidate in this age group. Young people preferred Obama to John McCain by a two-to-one ratio.
http://www.thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/elections


Election slice for Barack Obama in Percentage

RACE

White (incl. Hispanics)
45

Nonwhite
90

Non-Hispanic white
44

Nonwhite (incl. Hispanics)
86

Black
99


AGE

Under 30 years
61

30 to 49 years
53

50 to 64 years
54

65 and older
46



EDUCATION

College
55

High school
47

Grade school
67

Postgrad
65


POLITICS

Republicans
7


Democrats
93


Independents
51


Conservatives
23


Moderates
63


Liberals
94


RELIGION

Protestants
47

Catholics
53


Seldom/Never attend
62


MARITAL STATUS

Married
44


Not married
65


Married men
42


Married women
47


Unmarried men
63


Unmarried women
66


LABOR UNION

Union families
64


GUN OWNERSHIP

Owner
36


Non-owner
63

http://www.gallup.com/poll/112132/Election-Polls-Vote-Groups-2008.aspx

In 1992, when Bill Clinton won his first term, 35 percent of American voters were identified as rural according to that year's national exit polls, and 24 percent as urban. This year, however, the percentage of rural voters has dropped to 21 percent, while that of urban voters has climbed to 30. The suburbs, meanwhile, have been booming: 41 percent of America's electorate in 1992, they represent 49 percent now (see chart).

In other words, if you are going to pit big cities against small towns, it is probably a mistake to end up on the rural side of the ledger. Last year, Obama accumulated a margin of victory of approximately 10.5 million votes in urban areas (see chart), far bettering John Kerry's 3.6 million. Obama improved his performance not only among black and Latino voters but also among urban whites, with whom he performed 9 points better than Kerry. Obama also won each of the seventeen most densely populated states, a list that includes such nontraditional battlegrounds as Virginia, North Carolina, and Indiana. (One hidden advantage of urban areas: They're easier to canvass to get the vote out.) By contrast, for all their bluster about small towns, John McCain and Sarah Palin beat Obama by just 2.4 million votes in rural areas, actually a bit worse than the 4.3-million-vote margin that Bush racked up in 2004.

With the votes that he banked in the cities, Obama did not really need to prevail in the suburbs. But he did anyway — as every winning presidential candidate has done since 1980 — bettering McCain by 2 points there. Indeed, among the many mistakes the McCain campaign made was targeting the rural vote rather than the suburban one, as Bush and Karl Rove did in 2000 and 2004.

It may also be that suburban voters are starting to look — and behave — more like their urban brethren. According to a poll by the National Center for Suburban Studies, 20 percent of suburban voters are nonwhite — not much behind the national average of 27 percent — and 44 percent live in a racially mixed neighborhood (versus a national average of 46 percent). Suburban voters are just as likely to be concerned about the economy as other voters are and just as likely to know someone who has lost a job. Moreover, many suburbanites who do not live in cities may nevertheless be thoroughly familiar with them; according to the Census Bureau, at least eight to nine million persons commute into urban areas each day. As a result, urban bashing isn't what it once was at the height of white flight and the Reagan revolution. Whereas in 1980, according to the biannual General Social Survey conducted by the University of Chicago, 24.4 percent of Americans thought that the government was spending too much money to solve the problems of big cities, nowadays that number is down to 12.8 percent. The suburbs are immune to neither urban America's problems nor its promise.
http://www.esquire.com/features/data/how-obama-won-0209


“Young people came out to vote this year because for the first time in history, they were actually paid some attention to. Since so much time and energy was focused on us, it was expected that we’d go out and vote,” stated Rebecca Hirsch, a sophomore political science major and secretary of College Republicans, via e-mail.

Although she voted for McCain, Hirsch understood why so many of her peers supported Obama.

“Being young and charismatic, Obama would naturally appeal to young people more,” she stated. “Obama also put a huge amount of time, energy, and money into reaching out to young people, a historically forgotten demographic of voters.”

Other students agreed that the majority of voters in the youngest demographic often vote Democratic.

“I think polls show college students are more liberal but that doesn’t mean some won’t support McCain and Palin, ” said Katie Bergman-Bock, a senior policy and management major, in Rangos on election night.
....
Perkins said she supported McCain because of his positions on issues that were of primary importance to her, specifically his opposition to abortion and support of the war in Iraq.

“I thought McCain had more experience than Obama, and I didn’t like how far to the left Obama was before the campaign. McCain aligned more with my views because he was a moderate conservative,” she said.

Despite McCain’s defeat, Perkins is optimistic about the future of the United States.

“If Barack Obama does succeed, it will be good for the country,” she said. “I don’t feel bitter about it.”

Hirsch echoed Perkins’ views.

“I agree with John McCain on such issues as the economy, the Iraq war, and social issues. I primarily vote for a candidate based on the issues, not on the appeal of the person,” she stated.

Hirsch said she was “disappointed” with the election outcome, but “every American, regardless of who they voted for, should support our next president.”

Of the respondents in the Declare Yourself survey, 61 percent said they will be more active in politics in the future, while only 2 percent said they would be less active; 37 percent said they will participate the same amount.

“The economy has to improve, and people need to feel part of the campaign,” Johansson said. “If people feel they’re included, they will feel more active in politics. If Obama does a good job of involving youth, they will continue to be involved.”
http://www.thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/elections


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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:09 AM
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1. That's a BROAD base! n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:13 AM
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2. The broader the better.
It means he can govern at his own pace....instead of having to do things
on the timetable and via instructions of any one group.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:30 AM
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3. Interesting data!
Of course, everyone thinks their constituency was the one that put him over the top, and he'd be screwed if they packed up and left!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:48 AM
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5. Of course.
But I think he will come through for most of us on most things.....
and that is all anyone should be demanding,
considering the shit he's dealing with.

When one looks at each issue close up, none of them are all that easy,
that's for sure.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 01:31 AM
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4. K&R'd and Bookmarked.
I don't get when people say his base. I'm like his base is made up of a lot of different. We're not looking at the racist in the Repub party. O's base is broadly based and hence the reason he was able to win, especially in parts most people wouldn't think he'd ever have a chance.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:01 AM
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6. Interesting. I've always found it fascinating that liberals/progressives
are quick to holler that "we put Obama into office" when there has not been one single bit of data to support that.

It's been widely reported, and your data supports that, that the people who put Obama into office form the widest coalition of voters in modern political history. Liberals, moderates, independents and even a large smattering of conservatives.

No one ideology can claim Obama really. No one community. Although black folks, who -- as it's been noted time and time again -- no progressive movement will be successful without, sure like to try. :)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:14 AM
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7. Aye. We all put him there, and therefore he is the President to all
of his base, not just some.

In terms of political affiliation, the Independents, Moderates and African-Americans were key in certain states like Virginia, North Carolina, Florida and Indiana...and in others, like Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada, you've got to give it to the Hispanic voters.

The suburbans and urban voters were the key in Ohio and Pennsylvannia, while the youth provided the needed margins in every single state won.

These were the states we had to win.

Bottomline is that it appears that Barack Obama is listening to all of his voters,
not neccesarily just the ones that make the most noise, and that is how it should be.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:18 AM
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8. I suppose we'll find out in 2010
how important those progressive boots on the ground and GOTV were- particularly if things continue on the center right sort of angle in policy after policy.

My thoughts at this point are that the Dems may be in for a bit of a surprise. I mean, who's going to be all fired up to campaign for Patty "credit card usury" Murray, etc?

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:28 AM
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9. The progressive "boots" as you call them are indeed vital
But so are the moderate ones.

The Dem party has alot of tough questions to ask itself re: its future. The broad coalition that put Obama into power has all but guaranteed that.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:55 PM
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30. Progressives don't wear boots
Progressives wear sandals
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:31 AM
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10. Like I said, we are all his base......
which I am one of, just like you.

But you may have a point about the mid-terms.

Congresscritters are gonna have to get a clue on this...
because it shouldn't just be progressives pushing at Obama's left flank....
the congress should be doing their fair share as well,
and they are pushing at Obama's right flank seems to me.

I understand some states having "Moderate" Democratic Senators,
but states like New York stuck with a Schumer
and California with a Feinstein
don't make any sense to me.

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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 03:03 AM
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12. its somewhat interesting to see some posters tho
in one thread: Obama is just an center right corporatist who follows the biddings of his masters

then jump to another thread with the poster where we hear: Why hasn't Obama started/finished with the 'liberal' task i voted for him to do, he has had more then enough time to complete it.

You'd think that if the poster really believed what was said in the first thread, that he wouldn't be surprised/expect that Obama actually did not do what the poster wants to in the second. I just find it amusing how they will demand that he do things they want done, while accusing him of being the antithesis of what he 'pretended' to be when they voted for him.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 08:54 AM
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16. We should never repeat the mistakes of 2000.
Yes, it was a stolen election but it was stolen easily because it was close. Any Dem is far better then staying home and letting the Rethug win.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 09:38 AM
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17. All but NY votes are counted electronically, so will you know?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 12:01 AM
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28. We are going to need to work on that.....
and I believe Barack Obama is aware of that.

He sponsored 3 bills in reference to electronic voting,
when he was a senator.

Just like he understands the issue with our media.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 02:46 AM
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11. It certainly is good to see this in black & white. I've had my fill of hearing...
Edited on Sun May-17-09 02:48 AM by Tarheel_Dem
one group or another claim all the credit for this president's victory. I phonebanked with two Republican women, in the uber-red state of North Carolina, so I know firsthand, that this victory doesn't belong solely to "progressive" activists.

Everyone contributed, and everyone deserves to be represented by this administration, not just the loudest. I'm willing to give this president wide latitude to work us out of the huge shitpile he found on his desk, on Day 1.

Recommended.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 06:54 AM
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13. "I WILL BE your President too ....... and yours .... and yours .... and...."
"you over there with the McCain sign, yep, yours too!"

It's gonna be a LONG 8 years for those Progressives who feel he owes them an unwavering allegiance.

Thanks Frenchie.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:16 AM
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14. You eliminated the gay vote Frenchie
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:31 AM
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15. Shocking! n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:08 PM
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23. Shocking that you would
say "Shocking".
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:17 AM
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18. Noticed, and I'm sure that was the point n/t
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 12:24 PM
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19. GLBT voters deliver for Obama
http://www.gaylesbiantimes.com/?id=13426

GLBT voters deliver for Obama
by Lisa Keen, Keen News Service
Published Thursday, 06-Nov-2008 in issue 1089

Data available thus far on voting in heavily gay precincts suggest the GLBT vote for Obama was at an unprecedented high. In the last several presidential elections, the percentage of GLBT voters supporting the Democrat has hovered around 70 to 75 percent. But Tuesday’s voting was much stronger:

* In heavily gay Provincetown, Mass., 87 percent of voters supported Obama, compared to only 11 percent for McCain, and two percent for others or no votes. Massachusetts overall voted 62 percent for Obama, 36 percent for McCain.

* While 61 percent of Californians supported Obama versus 37 percent for McCain, 85 percent of heavily gay San Francisco supported Obama versus 13 percent for McCain and two percent for others.
* Fifty-five percent of voters in Pennsylvania supported Obama versus 45 percent for McCain, but in heavily gay Wards 2 and 5 of Philadelphia, 83 percent of voters supported Obama.
* In heavily gay Dupont Circle Precinct 15 in Washington, D.C., Obama won 89 percent of the vote.
* In the heavily gay precinct 1233 in Dallas, 63 percent of the vote supported Obama while 57 percent of the city did so and 55 percent of the state supported McCain.
* Chicago’s heavily gay Ward 44 went 86 percent for Obama and 13 percent for McCain.
A Harris poll web-survey conducted October 20-27 with 231 self-identified GLBT “likely voters” predicted 81 percent of GLBT voters favored Obama while 16 percent favored McCain. A similar poll in August had shown 68 percent favored Obama, 10 percent McCain.

Patrick Sammon, president of Log Cabin Republicans, a national GLBT Republican group, said he puts more trust in data from the overall exit poll data nationally, which said once again that four percent of voters were GLBT and that 70 percent voted for Obama, 27 percent for McCain and three percent for others.
“GLBT voters don’t live in just Dupont Circle and Chelsea,” said Sammon in a telephone interview Wednesday morning.

But U.S. Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisc.) said both sets of data may be right.
The results from precincts that are heavily gay, she said, reflect a demographic that has significant access to information about each candidate’s stand on GLBT issues, while the national exit poll is capturing GLBT voters in places that may not have that kind of information at the ready. And in those places, she said, GLBT people are “making their minds up on a larger array of issues.”

Hilary Rosen, a longtime Democratic GLBT activist and political director for the Huffingtonpost.com, wrote Monday she believes McCain lost the election in May 2006 when he “went to kiss the ring of Jerry Falwell.”

“He began to support every anti-gay initiative he could find,” wrote Rosen. “On those and so many other issues, he merged into the George Bush and right wing clone that in these closing days of the campaign have choked him beyond breath.

In a stump speech on countless campaign stops in the final days of his campaign, Obama repeatedly urged Americans to stay true to the name “United States of America.”

“Yes, we can argue and debate our positions passionately,” said Obama, “but all of us must summon the strength and grace to bridge our differences and unite in common effort – black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American; Democrat and Republican, young and old, rich and poor, gay and straight, disabled or not.”

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:37 PM
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20. You may think so,
Edited on Sun May-17-09 07:39 PM by FrenchieCat
But as I explicitly mention throughout this OP quite clearly, we all are his base. That was not excluding any of US. Too bad you read it that way.

but when I was researching who the voters were who were crucial, it appears that the gay vote was folded into the Progressive vote. In terms of hard numbers, I didn't find any stats on how Gays helped on their own as a group win individual states like Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, North Carolina, Virginia, etc. Yet that was written about the Black vote, the Hispanic vote, The Catholic vote, etc....(for which Gays like everyone else cross over to many other groups).

I also didn't mention the Muslim Vote (which I'm sure helped in Michigan), The Native American Vote, and quite a few others, although each played a part.

Sorry if the findings offend you...that was not the intent, although I'm sure you might think so.

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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 07:50 PM
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21. You could dig up the CNN (and other) exit polling data
the gay vote is anywhere from 4-6% or higher (depending if you think people willingly self identify to a stranger polling them).

This is about triple the Jewish vote and 1/2 of the black vote. And since they turned out overwhelmingly for Obama, and their influence was even higher in states like FL, they fit right into the thesis of your OP.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 09:50 PM
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22. Your math is shaky, but I get your point, and you may be right about Florida....
I say the math is shaky because....."four percent of voters were GLBT and that 70 percent voted for Obama, 27 percent for McCain and three percent for others."

Which translates to 4% x 70% = 2.8%

Blacks were 13% of the vote-
that's 13% x 97% = 12.6%


and this is where I got the bulk of my info -
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/politics/2008/November/Obama-Victory-Sealed-by-Minorities--Women.html

and here.....

http://www.gallup.com/poll/112132/Election-Polls-Vote-Groups-2008.aspx

So there was no intended slight although you are welcome to continue believing that.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:18 PM
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25. true
but the 4% figure is nationwide. In coastal states, the numbers can be much higher. And again, we have no way of knowing how many people do not self identify to a pollster. Personally, I believe the nationwide figure to be closer to 6.

But even working with these numbers, I think the gay vote went to Obama in higher percentages than almost any group other than black voters.

That percentage alone is enough to swing FL, and perhaps even CO and NM, where there are large gay communities in Boulder and Sante Fe, respectively.

And I don't remember writing that you intended a slight.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:59 PM
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27. Sorry, it was those other posters,
that can't stand me cause I support this President still,
even when they don't want me to.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:08 PM
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24. Aka "the American people".
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:25 PM
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26. No wonder the GOP and the blogosphere "left" sneers at Obamas base
with the "buyers remorse" theme. They are scared shitless.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:47 PM
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29. The far left and right are not part of Obama's base
and it makes sense that they are his most vocal critics.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 01:58 PM
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31. You will find that (ever as always) the youth vote will be most subject to disillusionment
and most likely to leave their boots in the closet next go around.

This will be followed by activists on various issues who are vitally important less for sheer numbers than for their commitment to the ground game.

The lesson of course- which apparently is still lost on Democrats even after 1994 and 2002 is that pandering to the right and attempting to capture some ephemral center ends up creating the appearance that the party stands for nothing- or if it does, that it's so weak that it's unable or unwilling to follow through. It also ends up creating a political vaccuum, which someone's going to fill.





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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:29 PM
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33. Young people want jobs, educational opportunity, an honest President,
and a leader that has long term vision.

Young people may be progressives by nature, but their take on politics is nothing like those who demand that they get all that they want, and that they get it now. The younger generation is much more appreciative of change without it being radical and authoritarian.

If you think that the youth came out for Obama because of reasons other than the fact that Obama clearly communicates that he hears them, and cares about what they are thinking, then you are not up on your politics.

What they don't like is bickering, whining, being lied into war, and idealogues who only listen to certain interest group and not all of the people.

It is perhaps that you misread what motivated the youth to turn out...because if they were as you imply, the majority of them would have supported Dennis Kucinich. They didn't.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 02:08 PM
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32. And me, and you...
and everyone else is right.

We're united more than we think (I think) :-).
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:30 PM
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34. Yes, I think so.
;)
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