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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 07:39 AM
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The (non) funding of Gitmo shutdown saga………..


It seems like the Dems in Congress are taking the fall—in the way I read it today (closing down Gitmo). The WH did not have a plan --yet they wanted money. The non plan was critiqued by both sides. Durbin, below seems to say it like is……….


http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090519/D989JGJ01.html

………….Reid also mangled his party's position on the congressional news of the day, that Senate Democrats would join their House counterparts in withholding the money President Barack Obama needs to close the Guantanamo Bay prison until Obama comes up with a plan for relocating its prisoners.
But Reid went further than saying he wanted to see a plan for the money before Congress approves it. "We will never allow terrorists to be released into the United States," he said.

No one, of course, was talking about releasing terrorism suspects among the American populace. Imprisoning them, perhaps, but not releasing them.

"Part of what we don't want is them be put in prisons in the United States," Reid clarified but digging himself into a bigger hole by departing significantly from some of his colleagues and administration officials. "We don't want them around the United States."

Did the administration put Democrats in an awkward position, asking for the money before setting out how it would be spent?

"Not at all," said Reid.

"Yes," his deputy, Sen. Dick Durbin replied to the same question…………..

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/19/AR2009051902227.html

Senate Dems to cut $80 million for closing Guantanamo

By Jeremy Pelofsky and Susan Cornwell
Reuters
Tuesday, May 19, 2009; 6:43 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -U.S. Senate Democrats on Tuesday moved to cut $80 million earmarked for closing the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, a fresh setback for President Barack Obama’s efforts to move beyond the Bush administration’s anti-terror policies.

Backpedaling after intense criticism from Republicans and even some Democrats, the White House acknowledged it needed to submit a plan dealing with the 240 terrorism suspects being held at the prison on a U.S. naval base in Cuba.

Obama has pledged to close the prison by early 2010 and asked that $80 million be included in pending legislation that would fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. That measure is expected to pass Congress in the coming days or weeks.

"The president and Congress will work together on a timeline for a renewed request for whatever resources are needed," said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs. "The president still believes it is in our national interest to close Guantanamo Bay." ……………
Senate Democrats initially included the money in the $91.3 billion war funding bill, but barred the administration from moving detainees to U.S. soil and fenced off $50 million until the administration provided a plan for dealing with them.

But they backed off amid criticism that there was no plan for dealing with the detainees and fears any move to bring them to U.S. soil could complicate efforts to prosecute them.

"The feeling was at this point we were defending the unknown. We were being asked to defend a plan that hasn't been announced," said Richard Durbin, the No. 2 Senate Democrat.
Some Republicans have also insisted the prison stay open. ……………………………………….

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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:45 AM
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1.  Rebuffing Obama on Gitmo--some Dems say the WH left them to dry in the wind. ..


http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/rebuffing-obama-on-gitmo-2009-05-19.html


Rebuffing Obama on Gitmo


By Roxana Tiron and J. Taylor Rushing
Posted: 05/19/09 08:38 PM

Senate Democrats on Tuesday decided to strike $80 million from a spending bill that was going to fund the closure of the detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, testing President Obama’s plan to shutter the controversial facility by next January.

The White House worked hard to downplay the setback, but several Democrats criticized the administration for putting their party in a quandary.

Obama has yet to announce a plan on what to do with the detainees once the prison on Cuba closes, and many Democrats oppose having prisoners housed in their states. They did not want to vote for funds to close the prison without knowing where those prisoners would end up.

Under the circumstances, Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) said he had no choice but to strip from a supplemental war bill his own language providing $80 million to close the camp.
1 “So what is the money going to be spent for? And if that’s the case, why go through all the fuss, which is so unnecessary? They’re working on a plan and we should get one later this summer.”

Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who introduced Obama before his speech at the Democratic convention last summer, said the administration had put Senate Democrats in a tricky spot.

“We are vulnerable, because it’s difficult to defend a position if you don’t know what the position is,” said Durbin, who had implored the administration to develop a plan.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:00 AM
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2. Left them out to dry? Please. They bitch about closing Gitmo
Edited on Wed May-20-09 09:20 AM by Thrill
and then left Obama the only one holding the Close Gitmo flag. THey continue to let the weakass Republicans and their barely 40 seats wield so much power. Stand up and take the stand with Obama. You don't need a damn plan before you give him the money for it. The object is to close it.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:10 AM
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3. it says Obama will give a speech Thrusday about closing Gitmo....
maybe he will provide some details many are looking for.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:12 AM
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4. here.....



.....The administration offered no criticism of the decision to strip funds from the supplemental, and White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters the timeline for closing Guantánamo remains “unchanged.” Gibbs said Obama will offer more details on his plan and address lawmakers’ concerns about relocating the detainees to the United States in a national security speech on Thursday.

The Office of Management and Budget issued a statement of administration policy supporting the Senate’s version of the bill that made no mention of the Guantánamo Bay issue.

At the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Robert Gates’s spokesman, Geoff Morrell, also told reporters that he sees “nothing to indicate that that date is at all in jeopardy.”

Inouye said the funding for shuttering Guantánamo would be dealt with in the regular fiscal 2010 appropriations bills.

But the administration has several other options to get the funds necessary to close Guantánamo once the president details his plans for detainees. The Pentagon could ask Congress to reprogram, or reallocate existing resources, possibly from military construction funds, to cover the costs of the closure.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:14 AM
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5. Geez!!! As if Obama isn't going to come up with a plan
:eyes:

Buscho never had many problems getting "blank checks" from even a Democratic Congress, especially when it was for war funding.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:21 AM
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6. Yeah they are so tough now.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:51 AM
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10. Even printing money takes time. Be patient.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 11:31 AM
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11. Well, Obama isn't planning on closing Gitmo for good until next year
I just hope that the Dems and Obama don't cave to the Repubs on this and feel compelled to keep Gitmo open. That's my main concern, not so much that he isn't doing it now (which is completely understandable from a logistical standpoint).
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:38 PM
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15. I hope so also.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 11:45 AM
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12. It seems congressional Dems only stand up to Dem presidents.
Repub presidents they cower in fear from and write however many blank checks are demanded.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:13 AM
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7. Who is this "we" that doesn't want them in US prisons?
Now, with them all imprisoned together in special camps, they are 'the enemy'. Try them in court, put them in prison with the thugs and murderers and child rapists and car-jackers, and they no longer have any special status as 'the enemy' - they are simply criminals, just like those who surround them. If they cannot be held on criminal charges, we have no business holding them at all, so send them home.

Is that so terribly hard?
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:44 AM
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9. I read that an empty new prison will accept them. Its the 'not in
my neighborhood" mantra.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:25 AM
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8. It's forming up to be "an orchestrated waltz" by the power elite in the Military Industrial Complex
in order to ensure the REST of the ENTIRE WORLD continues to both "FEAR and LOATH" the USA.

Reid is fucking NUTS! I've never been more ashamed of him. :puke:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 11:45 AM
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13. Oh give him time...
Edited on Wed May-20-09 11:46 AM by redqueen
he still has years to pull this kind of crap. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he outdid himself several times.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:12 PM
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21. Time for WHAT? Our illustrious "democratic" leaders are gutless wonders who
don't trust "supermax prisons" to hold these enemy combatants but DO trust them for KILLERS?!?

This is all more bullshit of governments program of FEAR-MONGERING to justify endless war and Obama's Executive Branch is playing into it.

Those who remember LBJ's reputation at the end of his term? Obama will be the next LBJ if he continues to buck up and promote these criminals in the DOD.

Damn Senate is nothing less than an arm of the Military Industrial Complex RUN by the Pentagon.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:26 PM
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23. You said, " I've never been more ashamed of him."
I said, give him time. He'll outdo this, I'm sure. More than once, I bet.

I'd rather Feingold be the leader, myself.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 11:48 AM
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14. Who are the 6 Senators who voted no? Brave souls they are. nt
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 12:51 PM
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16. There is no inconsistency between what Obama said in the campaign and what is being done
Just remember, Bush is Hitler.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:20 PM
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17. Geebus H. Christ
WTF??? Why can we not close this hellacious torture camp? SOS different party....*sigh*
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centristgrandpa Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:32 PM
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18. help! I've fell and can't get up....
Maybe Congress should have thought about this more seriously when it was on the table. Both sides are dorks for letting this happen...This is a US problem, now we want everyone to par-take in this Gargantua debacle...
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:41 PM
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19. Glad there was great plan when Congress committed billions of $$$$$ and thousands of lives to Iraq
My how times have changed!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:15 PM
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22. Great job by Senator Reid in gathering the needed votes to filibuster right-wing Alito
Edited on Wed May-20-09 03:15 PM by ShortnFiery
that will prop up CORPORATE and "elite investor" rights ABOVE those of the Average wage-slave American.

Bravo Reid, you've found your spine for all the WRONG REASONS. :puke:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:09 PM
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20. The Administration is not required to submit a plan for these prisoners
anymore than it is required to submit a plan for any other prisoner.


The matter is before the courts and the administration.


This legislation is monummental cowardice.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8421648


Since when is a chief executive required to submit a plan to comply with a court order?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:38 PM
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24. The real question here is why did Bush have no plan? He just left whoever was the next Prez to
figure it out. What a dumbass. You cannot hold them there forever. So what to do with them? The Dems who voted not to give funding are idiots. A plan would be done, just give Obama the freakin money. Like another poster said, they sure funded Bush's war.
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