DU mentioned in Time Magazine article

[Kadie]

This is from a post by True American titled Blue Truth, Red Truth

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x841957


Blue Truth, Red Truth


Time.com is subscription for this story, but I got it thru Time Canada.


more here
http://www.timecanada.com/story.adp?storyid=001&part=1

Blue Truth, Red Truth
The CBS flap is one more sign of the ferocious struggle between political partisans to see the world their way

By Nancy Gibbs


America has long been a house divided. But the two sides have never been further apart. One side lives in the world where President Bush, whose bold wartime leadership has made America safer, survived an ambush last week from that liberal lion Dan Rather, who tried to swing the race with a bunch of phony documents trashing Bush’s National Guard service, only to have the charges blow up in his face.

The other side lives in the world where Rather, the Tiffany network’s honored heir to venerable newsman Walter Cronkite, spoke truth to power, made a true if perhaps flawed case that Bush shirked his duty more than 30 years ago, and is by implication unfit to serve as Commander in Chief today.

snip...
Thus do the most important issues unfold, not just across the gray pages of the serious papers but in a foaming free-for-all in which every charge, however fair or false, gets BlackBerried and instant messaged in a Darwinian democracy of ideas. At a rally in Huntington, West Virginia, last week, 3-year-old Sophia Parlock dissolved into tears after having her Bush-Cheney sign torn up by Kerry-Edwards supporters. The picture was mailed out by the Republican National Committee after conservative Internet pundit Matt Drudge spotted a wire photo. The Democrats meanwhile sent around the story of a mother—her son was killed in Iraq—being arrested at a Laura Bush speech in Hamilton, New Jersey, when she tried to interrupt the First Lady. As for that little girl with the sign, the Democratic Underground posted a story claiming that her father is a Bush campaign operative who used his child to create a partisan photo-op, having done the same with a different kid four years ago against Al Gore. No incident is too small to produce its own parallel truths. And the party e-mail lists make sure that these truths make their way into every Red or Blue mailbox.

http://www.timecanada.com/story.adp?storyid=001&part=2

[cheshire]

1. Good we are noticed but I'm not liking the parallel truths statement.

[gatorboy]

2. Democratic Underground posted a story "claiming"?

All you have to do is look up the past two articles to see this man has done this before. It would take them 5 minutes to clarify.

This is what grates me about the media. With the Killian documents, you have conservative bloggers claiming they are false through simple opinion and right away, it's preached as truth on mainstram media.
Here, they are given proof that Parlock is a danger to his children and has done this before, through actual old news articles based on fact and no one bats an eye.

[KT2000]

3. Media sour grapes

they can't bring themselves to admit that they are failing in the journalism department. A begrudging tip of the hat to the internet that is doing a better job that they are.

[Kadie]

4. kick n/t

[Skinner]

5. Kick for DU

Good find. :thumbsup:

[El Biggo Doggo Jr]

6. Parlock incident/ calling West Virginia KE04 office

I am the obsessive type. sue me.
so I called the office to find out if Phil Parlock's son had been identified as the 'ripper', if the union had id'd the ripper as one of their own, etc.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE F&%$# I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!

"Phil who? And you're who??? He did what with his daughter?"

So, the question is, did I screw up and get the state wrong? Have we been proven to be mistaken? Was it a union guy?

iT WOULDN'T BE A BIG DEAL, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT

US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT JUST POSTED THIS:

BUSH JUST WROTE THE PARLOCK GIRL A LETTER, TELLING HER HE WAS SORRY THE BAD LIBERAL RIPPED HER SIGN.

Sorry. I'm getting all 'Matt Drudge' (it's true! I have a sudden urge to go trolling down by the docks), but gosh darn it!

HOW MANY LITTLE FIGHTS DO WE HAVE TO GIVE UP BEFORE THIS IS OVER? WE ARE GETTING ROLLED!!!!!!!

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE, please find out what's going on with this?

[Mixxster]

7. You may want to check with ann_coulter_is_a_man

ann_coulter_is_a_man (1000+ posts) Sat Sep-18-04 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. i didn't see it, but...

i was at the front waiting to shake edwards' hand, but two of my union friends (very good friends, whose credibility i vouch for 100%)at the back saw it all.

here's what i put in another thread (i'm lazy and don't feel like typing it again)

"a friend of mine who saw it has told me that as parlock repeatedly kept pulling out signs as they were taken from him, one of the union officials said to him "look, maybe you'd better go-you're getting your daughter scared" that's when parlock put the sign into her hands in defiance."

then someone grabbed it from her-oddly enough, no one recognized him, adding weight to the parlock's son as the ripper conspiracy

another thing: they were giving out union shirts in line, which makes it very, very possible

that's as much as i know, but i can inquire further tomorrow when i call them if anyone needs more info

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=836221

[AnIndependentTexan]

8. One thing they are forgetting

Right after this happen. Their were many post on free republic where this family was talking to them. The people who did this were never members of Free republic before; but right after this happen the Parlock family is showing up there trying to convience the people that it is not his son.

What I want to know is by the fact of them being at the free republic is there any legal matter that can be brought against them with a lawyer? Reasons why I am suggesting this is because the same Free Republic that went after Dan Rathers was that which has a connection to this story. Can we prove the history of thise family with that newspaper in the past? YES, that we can do. What would happen if we gathered post from the free republic site of this family and sent www.truthout.org our connections and reason to believe that free republic is a front for Karl Roves.

My reasons to believe this is how fast the President responded on sending the daughter a signed picture. Also we really need to get out the word how media is covering the story of these free republic before 24 hour periods. If a high power lawyer is a member and Parlock family is members does that mean Rogue media Agents are members of this forum? How many of these media people could be outed and how many friends of Bush or Karl Rove in the media could be outed?

[Chiyo-chichi]

10. I'm with you!

I'm kind of obsessing on this one, too.
The Bush letter to little Sophia makes the whole thing smell like it was specifically contrived to counter the story about Kerry giving a job to the Alabama woman who was fired for having a Kerry sticker on her car.
NO MEDIA followed up on this story, except for the Huntington Herald-Dispatch, who just allowed Parlock to say "Nope. That was not my son."
How hard would it have been for them to do a teeny bit of investigative journalism? Give us a current photo of Phil Parlock Jr. The Marshall student neswpaper could do the same. And since Parlock Sr. has no compunction about bringing his children into the media spotlight -- you'd think he would WANT to produce Phil Jr. to prove that he looked nothing like the "union thug."

[Chiyo-chichi]

13. Hey El Biggo Doggo

Why not call the Union again and ask to speak to their webmaster or whoever is in charge of their internet content? SOMEBODY there put up that apology, so SOMEBODY there knows about the incident.

[yardwork]

25. The Kerry campaign should be aware of this and of Parlock

because Parlock may have been involved in an incident involving a gun.

The Kerry/Edwards campaign should be on the lookout for Parlock from now on, imo, to make sure that nothing worse happens. Just my opinion.

[DemBones DemBones]

9. Bad article: it recounts the Parlock version of what happened

and then has DU "claiming" Parlock is a Republican who has done this before. "Claiming" implies it's something we made up and can't prove.

It also only mentions Parlock doing it in 2000 when he actually also did it in 1996.

The reporter could have easily checked the news reports herself; the links were provided here or she could have done her own research in a very few minutes.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Kewl!

Look for membership to go up again. :bounce:

[DemBones DemBones]

12. Also, that wire photo Drudge spotted was taken by

Randy Snyder, photographer for the local WV paper (Herald-Dispatch, I think it is) in Huntington. Snyder has photographed Parlock before, may be his buddy for all we know. Snyder was working as a stringer for AP at that rally but the local angle can't be ignored. People should know the photo was not taken by an AP photojournalist just there for the day, and that there is a possibility of a set-up. At the very least, Snyder could have figured Parlock would start something worth a photo or two. I also would bet someone sent that photo directly to Drudge. Someone like Snyder. Or Parlock.

[Chiyo-chichi]

14. I e-mailed

the reporter who wrote the Herald-Dispatch story to say that he should follow up by asking to see Phil Jr. or a photo of him. It would be easy to PROVE whether Jr. and the union thug are the same guy or not.

He did not reply.

[Disturbed]

15. Reporter?

Are there any that actualy investigate? Seems to me that they merely "report" rumors. Time Mag. has been and is Right Wing. These days most so called reporters are merely paid operatives and propagandists for the Neo Fascists.

[Chiyo-chichi]

23. Even many of the reporters that aren't on the right

are just LAZY. Seriously, how hard would it be to follow up on Parlock's claim that it was not his son? The family said that the "union guy" in the photo tore the sign -- that is either Phil Jr. or NOT. Let's see what he looks like TODAY.

[colonel odis]

18. got the reporter's email address? maybe he just needs a few more

people asking him that question.

[Chiyo-chichi]

21. Go for it.

[e-mail]

[theKnave]

16. re: "Also, that wire photo... "

"Randy Snyder, photographer for the local WV paper (Herald-Dispatch, I think it is) in Huntington. Snyder has photographed Parlock before, may be his buddy for all we know."

It's possible, but for all we know, it's the only paper in the area and he is the staff photographer. There's a similar situation here in Memphis, where The Commerical Appeal is the only local daily paper, and have limited staff. Here, even some of the reporters double as photographers for their stories.

[AnIndependentTexan]

19. Check Past Parlock Activities

Is anyone able to go through past photos of Parlock and see who took them? Maybe there is a connection there? I also know that the person who wrote this article has a connection with Parlock. Article By JIM ROSS - The Herald-Dispatch. This was a article done July 5. Look at the writers name. Not to mention Parlock family was interviewed by them at a rally for Bush. Article Topic was At state Capitol, President defends war on terrorism.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/2004/July/05/LNspot.htm

Randy Snyder was the photographer.

Plus here's proof this paper follows the family around when they travel.

The Phil Parlock family of Barboursville -- father, mother and 10 children -- likewise made the trip as a family. Rachel, 13, said it was the second time she had seen Bush.

Can someone else find past articles of this newspaper following Parlock? This one was July 5 2004.

[theKnave]

20. re: "Check Past Parlock Activities"

I'm not saying that there's not a connection between the three (Parlock, reporter, photographer). However, it may be as simple as small town, small paper, small paper staff. Quite possibly, the photographer and reporter recognized Parlock from earlier stories/features (after all, Parlock has run for local office, so he is probably pretty well known locally). That doesn't mean that the photog & reporter are in cahoots with Parlock or are drinking and poker buddies on Friday night. Of course, they could be. Dan Rather has done several stories on Bush, but that doesn't make them buddies.

[progressivebydesign]

26. at a BIG rally, what's the odds that the photog would be right there? nt

[spooky3]

17. Welcome to DU, all the newbies posting on this thread!

[tjdee]

22. "When she tried to interrupt the First Lady." EXCUSE ME?

See, it's just this kind of namby pamby crap that gets on my nerves.
That mother wasn't arrested when she tried to interrupt Pickles, she was OUTSIDE THE VENUE. There is video to corroborate this.

Hello?? Reporting??
A small thing--except the piece is saying that the Democrats were up in arms about a woman who wasn't even polite enough not to interrupt the First Lady.

There's that liberal media again.

Oh. But yay, we're in print. W00t w00t.

[proud patriot]

24. Cool

:D

[gauguin57]

27. Fun Parlock facts:

*** While running for school board in W.Va., Parlock said he received a bachelor's degree in science from Penn State University in 1979. He is nowhere to be found in the senior class for that year in the 1979 PSU yearbook. (Not that that proves anything, but...)

*** Phil graduated PSU in 1979 (or so he says). Rick Santorum graduated from PSU in 1980. They were on campus at the same time.

I'm just sayin'....

[knight_of_the_star]

28. I like how we are being eferred to as THE Democratic Underground but

I'm having issues with the parallel truths statement, considering that we've been on target more often than our opposites on the other side of the fence.