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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:55 PM Original message |
Good health care legislation will die. Next up .... cutting social security benefits |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Right on Point--Thanks for posting this. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. they want to fix SS |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. that's all that Obama ever stated in reference to a SS fix..... |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Does the OP care to respond? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. 2nd option about poster.....and you can better believe it! |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Obama has already cut Social Security and increased the cost of medicare. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. No he has not |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
68. My two ideas |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
3. SS needs reform |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. it won't "run out of money". the ruling class wants money to keep their taxes low. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Translation please |
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snowdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. They want more money in the Soc Sec. pot so they can raid it. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 06:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
50. A little Marxism is a dangerous thing |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. your observation doesn't apply in this case. i doubt many folks have |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Right wing talking point right out of the sixties up to the present. |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I don't agree with that |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yes, some Democrats have too, but they are wrong. n/t |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I don't agree |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Oh, I agree with you there. Make some of the uber riche pay their fair share |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Yes |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Yes, the President, but the Darth Vader wing of the nutso GOP want |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. That's something that definitely won't work |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. So what? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
36. it's not a reform, it's the creation of a new constituency to take down SS. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. the "uber rich" don't work for wages. & where they do, they can easily |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. That would be fine too, but many do make millions in wages as well. We |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. "that would be fine too" ain't happening so long as all the suckers are |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Hannah this is true, that they can take $1, but the fact is that there are |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. What does Rush pay in taxes a year? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. What he pays in income taxes and other kinds of tax has nothing to do |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. Because they say reform means cutting benefits. Reform has become a code word for cuts. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. Exactly! |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. that's because the entire ruling class wants you to be poorer, not just pubs. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. In 2037 it might or it might now. What to do? That's simple. No CAP on incomes. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. if the crisis is bogus, why do you want to give them more money to steal? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Because then we can increase benefits more and lower the full retirement age to 62 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 05:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. and if they're hyping a bogus crisis to take more of people's money, why do you |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. If there is a crisis why does Congress permit the yearly raid on social security trust funds? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. so why do you want to give them more money? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. Because I want rich people to pay more ss taxes and want to take away any excuse |
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snowdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Having an open proces and open debate was what Obama promised. But he put insurance |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. SS needs tweaking -- not reform |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
7. Well, you will see a revolution when that happens, not necessarily from the |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. Deregulate, privatize, gut social spending. What a country! |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
43. What's been deregulated under the Obama Administration? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 12:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. LOL nice try. The OP didn't mention Obama, nor did I |
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Lorax7844 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. Why not just stop cutting checks to people over a certain income |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Another right wing talking point from the sixties. |
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Lorax7844 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. no I disagree with you |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Of course you disagree with me. However, where would you spend his |
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Lorax7844 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I still disagree |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Social Security doesn't have a deficit because it operates independently of |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 06:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
49. you aren't giving money to anyone. the people who don't need it are giving it to you. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 02:25 AM Response to Reply #21 |
45. Actually poorer people can pay into Social Security and never |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. This is true. But the same can be said about life insurance. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Ilike your idea. My feeling is one reason that poorer people die so early |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I hope that real health care reform can happen so that people like you |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Just apply the social security tax to all of John McCain's income |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
38. because those people paid in, that's why. |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
65. You don't "pay into" jack squat. |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
60. Does not matter if he needs SS Benefits |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Why don't they call it a "pension fund" in instead of "social security" |
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snowdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
29. We have Dems talking RW talk in the WH, Congress and here on DU. |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-22-09 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
41. They have ALREADY cooked the books by fraudulently RE-DEFINING the inflation CALCULATIONS....... |
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quidam56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-23-09 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
46. We need a cure for health care in America |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
62. SS is not in bad shape |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
63. Something has to be done on Social Security. It doesn't have to be much. |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Over the past 30 years |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Why cut benefits when ending the tax CAP should keep it solvent for at least half a century? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I don't believe I said anything in conflict with that. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
70. Like I was saying .... One really doesn't need a crystal ball |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-06-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
72. There are probably as many different "good" plans as there are posters on DU. |
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