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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:17 PM
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Matthew Alexander, Senior Army Interrogator, Dissects Cheney's lies about torture.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-alexander/whats-not-said-is-more-im_b_207151.html

As a senior interrogator in Iraq (and a former criminal investigator), there was a lesson I learned that served me well: there's more to be learned from what someone doesn't say than from what they do say. Let me dissect former Vice President Dick Cheney's speech on National Security using this model and my interrogation skills.

First, VP Cheney said, "This recruitment-tool theory has become something of a mantra lately... it excuses the violent and blames America for the evil that others do." He further stated, "It is much closer to the truth that terrorists hate this country precisely because of the values we profess and seek to live by, not by some alleged failure to do so." That is simply untrue. Anyone who served in Iraq, and veterans on both sides of the aisle have made this argument, knows that the foreign fighters did not come to Iraq en masse until after the revelations of torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. I heard this from captured foreign fighters day in and day out when I was supervising interrogations in Iraq. What the former vice president didn't say is the fact that the dislike of our policies in the Middle East were not enough to make thousands of Muslim men pick up arms against us before these revelations. Torture and abuse became Al Qaida's number one recruiting tool and cost us American lives.

Secondly, the former vice president, in saying that waterboarding is not torture, never mentions the fact that it was the United States and its Allies, during the Tokyo Trials, that helped convict a Japanese soldier for war crimes for waterboarding one of Jimmie Doolittle's Raiders. Have our morals and values changed in fifty years? He also did not mention that George Washington and Abraham Lincoln both prohibited their troops from torturing prisoners of war. Washington specifically used the term "injure" -- no mention of severe mental or physical pain.

Thirdly, the former vice president never mentioned the Senate testimony of Ali Soufan, the FBI interrogator who successfully interrogated Abu Zubaydah and learned the identity of Jose Padilla, the dirty bomber, and the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohammad (KSM) was the mastermind behind 9/11. We'll never know what more we could have discovered from Abu Zubaydah had not CIA contractors taken over the interrogations and used waterboarding and other harsh techniques. Also, glaringly absent from the former vice president's speech was any mention of the fact that the former administration never brought Osama bin Laden to justice and that our best chance to locate him would have been through KSM or Abu Zubaydah had they not been waterboarded.


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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:24 PM
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1. K&R
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:33 PM
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2. K&R. Obama should give a speech including all those things that Cheney DIDN'T say.
Especially the testimony of Ali Soufan who testified UNDER OATH just the opposite of the lies Cheney constantly says.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 06:02 AM
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8. to paraphrase Jesse Ventura
"Give me Dick Cheney UNDER OATH for an hour and I'll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders."

Dick-o don't do "under oath." That is only for "the little people."

The American elites can literally get away with murder under our noses in plain sight of the entire world. I'm presently out of work, so I'm available for torch and pitchfork parades.

Dude, where's our democracy?

-90% jimmy
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:24 PM
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10. I thought he said...
"Give me Dick Cheney, a waterboard and an hour and I'll have him confessing to the Sharon Tate murders." Forget about being under oath, just put him "under water." But under oath is something we're just as likely to see.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 11:53 PM
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3. Thnaks for posting this again. Matthew needs a media tour; so succinct.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 01:12 AM
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7. I looked for it but couldn't find it
I assumed that it was posted earlier, with the holiday a lot of us are just getting here.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:08 AM
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4. The Cheney.Bush Years and Their Arrogant Philosophy coupled with Despotic Behavior is still Killing
US...

The damage continues as many members of their persuadion was imbedded into the civil service sector in high positions...

Such is the GOP Cancer...insidious and contagious
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:18 AM
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5. Yes. And don't forget the Vets generally.
Edited on Mon May-25-09 12:50 AM by babylonsister
Thanks. :hug:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 12:45 AM
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6. Very nice.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 10:03 AM
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9. morning kick
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 01:51 PM
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11. kicking this. nt
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Cowpunk Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:23 PM
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12. Alexander's Statement to Whitehouse's Committee is Also A Must-Read
I posted excerpts of Matthew Alexanders crucial written testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee's special hearing on detainee interrogations in this post last week. Alexander blasted all the myths that torture is useful in fighting terrorism.

By the way, he actually worked for the Air Force, not the Army.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 03:31 PM
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13. Thanks for the correction on his service. Also learned that Alexander is a 'pen name'.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-25-09 09:58 PM
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14. Excellent piece. n/t
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