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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:31 AM Original message |
Paul Krugman: Healthcare Showdown or (The "centrist" Dems are the problem) |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. Finally you post an article detailing exactly what I've been talking about for ages now! |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I agree with your assessment. However, Obama must lead or the 'centrists' will prevail. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The Dem Senators vote on the bill. Obama can't really force their hand w/o some sort of blackmail. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. What makes you think we can pass real healthcare reform without Obama leading? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. That's the thing. Obama is already leading. Something I've argued ad nauseum. |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. LBJ cracked skulls to get Medicare passed in the 60's |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Lord...another LBJ comparison. |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. C'mon - history is instructive |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
21. If President Obama publicly or even in a visit to the Democratic caucus |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. What the hell is "Obama must lead" even suppose to mean? |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I agree with you... |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Obama must lead and most likely will need to strong arm the ConservaDems |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I don't see how he can "strongarm" anyone into anything. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. They want Obama to be Bush when it suits them. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. We all must do our part. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. "Centrist" My Ass |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 06:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I agree that they're not Centrist. I just see them as infiltrators. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Unfortunately we have to try to influence the Congress we have, not the Congress we want |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I agree....and say...."let's get to it".....and contact cowardly Blue Dog Democrats. |
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kjackson227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Yes, it's the "Conservadems" or "Conservative" Democrats... |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Yep, you are right about Bayh and Landrum, also Loserman I think too. We need to |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
10. DINOS and traitors. If they fuck this up they can start looking for another job. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. I doubt it very much. |
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seafan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:35 AM Response to Original message |
12. And now, for a brief message from the rabble: |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Thank you for the link to the Rachel Maddow video re Evan Bayh and the 'Conservadems' |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 07:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. This is why we need Campaign Finance and Voting Reform. nt |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Yet Durbin's bill, S.752, Fair Election Now Act, is going nowhere. Has 3 co-sponsors. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
26. Estimates lower than the Bush tax cuts. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
29. We only need 51 votes to pass a public option without using reconciliation. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-22-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
30. Krugman: "centrist Democratic senators are in fact way out in right field" |
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