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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 02:47 PM Original message |
Obama: Stimulus Designed To Work Over Two Years -- Not Four Months |
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rosesaylavee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's a good think he has the weekly address |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. It's about time he pointed this out... |
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Common Sense in USA (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. forgotten? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. "he never made such a remark, and certainly wasn't "clear" about it." Really? |
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RayOfHope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
92. Come to Missouri where there are loads of stimulus projects (highway construction) well underway n/t |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. And yet we continue to hear the whiner's chant.... "You call this change?" |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
16. They want Chavez for |
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Common Sense in USA (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Just want to point out... |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. hmmm.....they all agreed that nuclear annihalation is bad too |
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Common Sense in USA (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Huh? |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
76. then that would explain why Obama also hasn't called it a coup and withdrawn aid. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. K&R number 5, anybody reversing it, they're outta their mind |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. That's good |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. Funny that I don't remember specific references to TWO YEARS during the runup to |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Anyone who followed this realized it was going to take time; anyone who tracks economic cycles knows |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
73. I agree with you, Lindisfarne. But understanding that these things take time is different |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #73 |
89. We haven't reached late 2009. And unemployment figures, accordiing to many economists, |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. Kick. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. Trade Gap closed 10% in May... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Not exactly good news when you look at the reasons why... |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Oh I don't know about that |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. If it were indicative of such a trend, that would be one thing |
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scubadude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. Some people don't have 2 years for it to work. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #9 |
82. Some people don't have one day for it to work. |
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jclincali (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
13. Poor planning. At the rate we're going, everyone will be homeless in 2 years. |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Hello. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. It took 8 years to fuck up..which some people |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. It's not about speed, its about direction. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. That's right. n/t |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. To be fair, BOTH is the goal, but rarely does it happen. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
18. This is true, it was said at the time it was passed. However I thought that was a mistake |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. Is it that they underestimated the depth of the depression |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
21. since the current recession is already the longest and deepest |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. See link at #12. There were parts which could be implemented quickly, but they aren't |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I understood at the time the stimulus package |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. 2010 elections are what - 18 months post stimulus passage? That's about right then.n/t |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Well said. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. "maybe the Obama admin. should have pushed for a stimulus that acted more quickly " |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. you throw out a strawman, as usual |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Maybe you should have rented. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
64. maybe you should try to actually contribute something |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:59 AM Response to Reply #31 |
75. ! |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #75 |
85. you think it's funny that people are losing their homes? |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:19 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. No, I might lose mine, too. But that wasn't the point. |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. what was the point? |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. Stimulus Arithmetic. Dean Baker: |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Interesting. And yesterday, some DUers insisted the payroll tax break did nothing. Seems they |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. They may have been confused by the fact that tax cuts don't give the same bang for the buck |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. No- that was clearly discussed.More an issue of thinking they had access to TRUTH. :>) n/t |
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Scarsdale Vibe (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
56. Baker doesn't take into account the fact that direct federal spending |
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Kdillard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Thanks for that chart. |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Thank "JP Morgan" for it. |
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Scarsdale Vibe (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:29 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. Krugman would disagree with Baker on this point |
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fortyfeetunder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
24. Breaking down the statement for understanding |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
32. A fourth month fix would have made things worse. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Except of course- that's how the Aussies have avoided recession |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Guaranteed bank savings, dropped prime from 7 to 3 points... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Along with lead time- another key difference is that Australia built up a fat budget surplus |
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JimWis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
34. K&R |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
35. EXACTLY!!!! |
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PretzelWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
37. this seriously deserves kicks and recommends so all can see this |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
44. The President answers only the weakest argument |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. The recession is going to end in six months |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. How did you get that number from that article? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Did you miss the line above it |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I did |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. So why did you question the post? He said it. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Because you misuse Roubini's analysis |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Nonsense. |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. And that is exactly the problem |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. No, this is the problem |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. There is a lot of reality avoidance happening with the economy |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Given |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. It's a constantly adjusted narrative |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #58 |
71. More context! |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Listening to the full program now. It's as I suspected. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Wow, clever |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Deleted message |
ChimpersMcSmirkers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. In a month or two he'll probably be whining about the deficit. |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
52. all along Obama has proven to be a Strategist, not a Tactician |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
53. some folks think that solutions should be instantanious... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. They want it pulled out of the magic Hat by the Magic Negro |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:55 AM Response to Original message |
74. K&R... |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
77. So far, it hasn't seemed to have any impact |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:35 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Link in #39:unemployment rates aren't the best way to measure the short-term success of economic pol |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. All I'm saying is |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. There were things designed to get money out faster.See the Robert Reich link in following |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
79. From an article in Slate (originally posted in Editorials) |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:19 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. You lost me on the first sentence. |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Obviously, it's an excerpt from an article. Perhaps reading the whole article would help(perhaps not |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
84. Yes, but we needed a real jobs push 8yrs ago.. 2 years ago it was getting |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
91. Which is why so little of it has been spent? Under ten percent? |
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