Enogh of this birther bullsh*t on DU

[No Passaran]

State of Hawaii, Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates. If you want proof of birth, you get Certificate of Live Birth which is posted on Obama's website

Thank you. Have a nice day

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Yes.

Thank you.

[fascisthunter]

2. they will repeat the lie in hopes of pissing us off

it's all the right wing ever does.... it's why their movement has crashed and now is burning. What do you call people who lie in the face of truth... crazy. These people don't even belong in a debate nevermind in government.

[No Passaran]

4. If you question the conspiracy, you part of that conspiracy

53% of Americans are in on it

/s

[No Passaran]

3. I know I missppelled ENOUGH :D

But I'm not gonna ruin the post lol

[dogtag]

5. Here's an idea.

Maybe Barack should take a page out of King George V's book. His grandfather Prince Albert was German as was much of the British royal family. During WWI there was a great deal of anti German feeling (even little weiner dogs were kicked in the streets) and H. G. Wells declared it unthinkable that Britain should struggle longer under "an alien and uninspiring Court." George was incensed. "I may be uninspiring," he thundered to a visitor, "but I'll be damned if I'm alien."

[jberryhill]

6. I think everyone here knows that....

My impression was that the discussion was primarily about the Birthers' antics which, while it can be amusing to watch them chase their tails, do bear watching, since they interface with some dangerous elements of American political culture (e.g. Von Brunn, the Holocaust Museum shooter).

Saying "no more birther discussions" seems like saying "no more Bush discussions" for the previous 8 years.

IMHO, it would be worth including the discussions in the DUngeon, for general conspiracy theory fans there.

[gmoney]

7. Hiding behind that policy is bullsh*t

I'm not a birther, but the hospital has said that they have records from 1961, but that all their "policy" allows is that stupid laserprinted thing we've all seen.

It would be easy enough to put this controversy/conspiracy theory to bed by just producing anything... a hospital bill, a doctor's chart, or the piece of paper that his parents received in 1961, or if that was lost along the way, he had to have gotten a replacement somewhere along the line prior to 2000 (?) when the laserprinted thing is dated. He had a driver's license, and I'm sure has had a passport for a while...

Again, if the shoe were on the other foot, we'd all be screaming for original documents. Just put it to rest already.

on edit: I want to believe the newspaper clippings, but I don't think that's conclusive evidence.

[Adelante]

8. The hospital is following privacy laws

The policy belongs to the Hawaii Department of Health.

CHIYOME LEINAALA FUKINO M.D., DIRECTOR, HAWAI’I DEPT. OF HEALTH
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93

STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf


Confirmed by Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo:

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

And just today:

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam



No matter what Obama does it won't be enough for these people. But I don't want him to do anything. They've got his lawyers and the Justice Department tied up in multiple lawsuits with their outrageous demands. He doesn't have to do ANYTHING more than any president who went before him. He could hand over a long form, and all he would be doing is surrendering to his enemies. And these people are his enemies, make no mistake. This is the right wing trying to bring down the Obama presidency. Fuck them.

[gmoney]

9. Obama could easily authorize the release. He has a tangible interest.

Or again, his family received a copy when he was born, or if that was lost, he had to get a duplicate at some time in his youth to register for school, or college, or get a driver's license, or social security card, or a passport or any number of reasons. Something prior to 2000, right?

He could easily make it go away, but stubbornly refusing by saying "I don't HAVE to make it go away" is just fanning the flames.

And it just looks bad. He promised transparency. Plain and simple, it looks like he's got something to hide. Why not quit hiding it?

If McCain/Palin had won, we'd still all be howling for Trig's birth certificate and Palin's medical records. Hell, some of us would be bitching that McCain was born in Panama.

[Adelante]

11. Why should more be required of him than any other president?

Why?

[Cha]

18. Exactly..fuck 'em if they

can't handle the truth.

[gmoney]

19. I'm not saying it's fair. But the controversy is here so why not just deal with it?

Instead, we get up on the high horse and say "he shouldn't HAVE to produce it. This is just because he's black." Who cares why the birthers have made it an issue... they've managed to do it.

Why not just remove all doubt and end this stupid conspiracy theory?

Again, it just comes off as if he's got something to hide.

[JTFrog]

32. It's not fair, it's racist. Period.

Requesting a different set of requirement for one man for the same position because he doesn't look like all the ones before him is flat out fucking racist.

The only ones with anything to hide are those pretending their bigoted asses are invisible behind this issue.

You don't fucking given in to racism. You stand up against it.

Anyone who suggests otherwise should have their motives examined.

[BluegrassDem]

14. So white presidents don't have to show their birth certificate, but black ones do?

Obama should show as much as Bush, Reagan, and the rest of them.

[No Passaran]

16. Yup. That's what it sounds like

Or maybe the poster is really a Lynn Samuels fan

[Telly Savalas]

25. Cut the bullshit.

No matter what sort of preponderance of evidence there is proving the circumstances of his birth, there's always going to be some asshole tinfoiler who won't believe it. If they're not happy, too fucking bad.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Was any other president required to have a hospital release their records?

and nothing is going to stop this rumor......
and personally, those folks can kiss my ass....
and then kiss it some more.

[No Passaran]

17. "if you question the conspiracy theory, you are part of that conspiracy"

Obama can wave that birth certificate all day long and they (you?) will still not believe it. That's the root of the whole conspiracy theory

[BklnDem75]

21. I hate to say it...

but if you're asking for more evidence than what's already been given, you're a birther. Obama's not going to jump through hoops to satisfy anyone. He's already posted his birth certificate and had it authenticated by several groups. If you also think it's a forgery, you've sipped the kool-aid right along with those nuts.

[gmoney]

22. I believe Obama.

I just think it's stupid that he lets this continue to fester when he could easily disprove it and put it to rest.

The fucking swift boaters were full of shit, and most people knew it, but evidently they were able to convince enough people that Kerry failed to win in 2004. If he'd taken steps to debunk them early, we might be talking about how Kerry's second term is off to a good start, and marveling at all the peace and prosperity we'd be enjoying. But he instead played the "my record speaks for itself" card, lost by a razor-thin margin, and we got four more years of Bush war, lies, and economic ruin.

It's not beyond the ken to imagine Jeff Sessions or John Boehner or some other half-wit taking up this birther thing, demanding an investigation, special prosecutors, and 27 eight-by-ten glossy color photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one. Why not nip it in the bud?

[BklnDem75]

23. Maybe because he did already?

He requested his birth certificate, he received a certificate of live birth. It's what they give now, not only in Hawaii, but most states in the US. It has all the relevant information anyone needs for everything including government positions in the US. That's all that's needed. Anything more is a hoop and it won't make things better, it'll make it worse. The birthers have already rejected the same document that you and I would get if we requested a copy. Do you really think it would end with the long form?

[quakerboy]

29. Godamn but we can dream

"It's not beyond the ken to imagine Jeff Sessions or John Boehner or some other half-wit taking up this birther thing, demanding an investigation, special prosecutors, and 27 eight-by-ten glossy color photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one. Why not nip it in the bud?"

That would be the best thing this week. If they did manage to make it into a real to do, they would come out looking twice as stupid as they already do, and in the mean time it would suck all the life out of any political re-animation they are planning for the republican party. It would take the focus off of anything they might want it on, and focus it completely on how beyond idiotic they are.

Why "nip" such a potential gift? If someone gives you a prize winning flower bulb, you wouldn't rip it out of the ground as soon as it looked to be sprouting would you?

I begin to think you would. Interesting.

[JTFrog]

33. Why not nip racism in the bud?

That seems like a far more important goal than satisfying a bunch of racist dumbfucks.

[creeksneakers2]

36. How do you explain the birth announcements in

two Hawaiian newspapers? You said you aren't convinced by that. I don't see any rational way you could not be convinced. The newspapers received the announcements from the Hawaiian health department. How can you explain that away?

If you can't see that this is proof, nothing will convince you.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Yes this is my argument as well

Do the birthers believe that back in 1961 someone decided this baby was going to grow up to be president and they needed to plant a birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper to prove he was a US citizen?

[firedupdem]

39. It will never be nipped in the bud. They don't want him there

because he's black. There is no satisfying crazy nuts on a mission. He better not waste one minute on ignorant hate mongers. Let them continue to show how stupid and bigoted they are with this nonsense.

[BlueMTexpat]

40. The problem is simply this: no matter WHAT Obama produces, it

will not satisfy the birthers. They will not accept that a bi-racial man with an international background such as he has is their President.

A certificate of live birth is absolute proof of birth when and where the certificate says that the birth occurred. It serves as proof for me; it serves as proof for anyone else I know; it serves as legal proof of citizenship in any other case. Why does it NOT serve for Barack Obama? Anyone who does not accept that proof is a birther, no matter how much that person demurs or says that s/he "believes" Obama.

Obama has nothing else to "prove" about his natural-born citizen status. The End.

[HopeOverFear]

27. ^^^^birther^^^^

[creeksneakers2]

35. Actually, the shoe was on the other foot, sort of

One could have made an argument that John McCain was not a natural born citizen. Democrats didn't bother with it because Democrats aren't the types to try to overcome the will of the people with a technicality.

If Obama provides the birthers with anything else, they'll just say it was a forgery or something like that. Nothing in the world can convince them they are wrong. There is already proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii.

The birthers demand rules that say they don't have to prove or even have valid evidence of anything but Obama has to prove himself innocent until the unobtainable satisfaction of the birthers is achieved. Those are witch hunt rules. If Obama accepts them once, he'll be stuck with them. Remember how the witch hunts went under Bill Clinton? No way Obama should make the same mistake Bill Clinton made, cooperating. The birthers already have lists of dozens of other documents they want.

As it stands, nobody listens to the birthers so they can't bring pressure on Obama or cause any real trouble. By not cooperating with the birthers, Obama wins.

[backscatter712]

10. Christ, people are still talking about this?

During the election campaign, Obama campaingn officials and members of the press visited Hawaii's department of records, and yes, they physically examined the original document, and confirmed its authenticity.

Then they went to the local newspapers, and found the original birth announcements in the microfiche records, displayed here: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

On top of that, people neglect to mention that Obama's mother was a white American citizen from Kansas, which makes President Obama a citizen whether he was physically born in Hawaii or on Mars.

On top of that is the most powerful argument of all, which is that the courts are not the arbiters of whether President Obama fulfills the Constitutional requirements to become President - the people are. We had an election. The birthers lost, so they can suck it. Try again in 2012, and this time, bring forward a candidate and a platform that isn't monumentally douchey!

[Cha]

20. You can better believe that if Obama wasn't

born in the USA..ol mccain and palin would have taken full advantage of that one..they aren't that stupid.

[Politicalboi]

24. Hillary would have taken full advantage

If Hillary couldn't find anything, there is nothing to be found. And it wouldn't have been a bad thing if Hillary took him down that way. It's the law, so she would have done us all a favor by exposing it, if it were true. Obama would have been gone before Iowa.

[Cha]

26. Precisely..but the assholes have

a hate on that won't quit until who knows :wtf: is going to happen.

[gauguin57]

34. I've been saying the same thing since this birther crap came up.

If the Clintons couldn't find it, it ain't there.

Another point: Do these birthers really think the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, Homeland Security, NSA ... do they really think NONE of these organizations investigated Obama thoroughly, the minute he became a serious candidate? A guy named Barack Hussein Obama, who might potentially run our country? Do they really think all those organizations, operating during a Republican administration, wouldn't have checked this man out, down to his underwear size? Come on! What planet do the birthers live on?

The Planet DUH, obviously.

[FrenchieCat]

12. I'm fucking tired of it too.....

kind of like any publicity is good publicity.

And it is a deadender's argument, and not needed at this site.

[Neecy]

15. we build them up by obsessing over them

This group is the fringe of the fringe, nutters who want nothing more than to spread their crap far and wide. They're probably delighted that we're discussing them here, even if only to criticize.

But then, I just don't read the topics, and I wouldn't tell others what they can and cannot discuss. I just think it's a waste of time and counterproductive.

[WeDidIt]

28. Shine a ;light on them

Tie them around every Republican's neck.

In 2010, I want to be able to ask every REpublican about this.

[smalll]

30. Birthers are the Republican equivalent of our Democratic fraudsters of 2004.

Orly Taitz is their Bev Harris.

I'm just sayin' :shrug:

[JTFrog]

31. Call them what they really are.

Racists.


Period.

[creeksneakers2]

37. I want more posts about birthers

They are fun to watch.