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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:52 PM Original message |
The arrest was wrong. Crowley isn't a racist. Though correct, Obama shouldn't have commented.. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. Crowley is a racist, and everything he's done since backs that up. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Your last statement does, racial profiling is an issue and his statement on it was dead on |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's a big problem that police can arrest anyone they feel like... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:59 PM Original message |
I agree, and I wish that this event would have prompted more discussion on that, without |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. When the cable shows do cover health care, they're often misinforming anyway. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Maybe, but you don't understand politics if you think the administration doesn't want the news cycle |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
83. Agreed |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Gates didn't get arrested for not being the resident. He got arrested for being obnoxious to a cop. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Forget to log out? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. ROFLMAO! |
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Earth Bound Misfit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #6 |
99. ...I don't get it???? |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
109. Oh my God! That's hilarious!! |
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MUAD_DIB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. There's poor behavior on all sides on this one. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. That really is the issue |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
107. irritating? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Bing Fucking O! |
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busymom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. And why isn't it ok to say that both |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. The poster is saying that very thing... |
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busymom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. and I would tend to agree...but |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
80. I agree... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Because the person responsible for keeping the situation from getting out of hand is the person in |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. You think your post is in conflict with mine but it isn't. |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
51. I think it has become |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
81. I think the person who has the most power is the intellectual... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #81 |
95. He was in his house. He didn't have to defer to anyone in his own damn home |
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katsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Not blind. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
104. If they were just citizens then your point would be valid. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Being obnoxious to a cop isn't illegal. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
46. Do people ever fucking read? I said that right in this post, and in the OP ffs. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
72. and, further, complaining about discrimination isn't obnoxious |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #72 |
94. Indeed. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. it's not obnoxious to ask for name and badge number or to raise questions about discrimination |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Important point here. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. agreed, on all counts |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
91. I agree |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
100. Being obnoxious to the cops? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. Tough shit..Obama was asked and he |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. I think it all boils down to a couple of hot headed men... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I agree. And my family and I have been shaking our heads at DU since this happened. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. There is a very important difference imo... |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
78. And anyone with an ounce of intelligence... |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
59. +1 |
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AndyA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
11. I do think the best response on Obama's part would have been |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Exactly... |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. The arrest was stupid. Obama was correct. You don't get to decide when he can or cannot comment. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Of course no one gets to decide... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. "He gave the RW a hell of a lot of fodder to use against him with this." |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. They made fools over themselves with the Dean Scream too... |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. You're last sentence is silly. |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. yet Obama stood by his comment |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Actually, the white house today said that they regret the distraction |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. you don't get it. The media has the problem. Not Obama. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. No you don't get it. The administration still wants the news cycles on health care |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
82. It reminds me of Bush admitting there were no WMD... |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
17. Cops like Crowley are the reason we called them pigs in the 60's and 70's |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. That's irrelevant to my post. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
26. Fuck cops. Fuck people who blame citizens for cops doing wrong. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. That's great. Also irrelevant to my post, since that's not what I'm doing. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
27. Only your first statement is correct. Sorry. And no, I'm white, but thank you for asking. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I didn't ask. And all one needs to do is look at the information and the lost news cycles |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
31. I grant you point #1 and #3. I'm less sure about point #2 but you are probably correct. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Do you know how |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Not many. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #44 |
89. Yeah, like you would |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
39. 1. Yes. 2. You have no way of knowing that. 3. Obama has |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
40. YOU ARE WRONG. Obama was right for commenting . . . |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I'm not wrong. Hell even the administration says they regret comment |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. He didn't apologize for what he said. He apologized for the Media |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. He hadn't said anything, Gibbs did. But now, Obama has said something and it pretty much backs me |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
45. The arrest was wrong, I have no idea if Crowly is a racist but am certain he is an authoritarian |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. BINGO |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. You: he's an authoritarian shitbag. Obama: he's a excellent officer and a good man |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. I don't check with Obama before I state my opinion anymore than he consults with me. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
48. HEY WOW OBAMA ON NOW SAYING EXACLTLY WHAT I'VE SAID. |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Guys Like You |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Guys like me... you mean the President, since he just said the same thing? |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. GUYS LIKE YOU |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Guys like me, are saying the same thing President just did. |
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Leo The Cleo (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. No! Guys Like You Demand That The President Censor The Truth |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. "guys like me" aren't demanding any such thing. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
57. BULLSHIT!! Indeed Crowley IS A RACIST!!! n/t |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
60. So, Obama has to sit down and shut up? Good grief. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Of course not. But a press conference on health care isn't the place to take a bait question |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Obama doesn't shy away from questions. I like that in a president. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. He should SAVE HIS POWDER |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
84. He doesn't have to do anything, but... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Oh good lord. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
105. You roll your eyes at me for stating a fact |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #60 |
96. Apparently he'd be more comfortable if the rest of us did too. |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
61. He's the President and can comment on any f*cking issue |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. So can I, and I don't even need to be president. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
90. Yeah, but he's a whole lot |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. One would think! |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #61 |
102. We just hope he would be smart enough not to... |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
65. I think it is ridiculous and wrong to say that the President is not |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. How's that news cycle going for the white house this week? |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Same as it's going for the GOP's anti-health care message! |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Too bad. It's politics and it includes knowledge of the media. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
68. Deleted sub-thread |
freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
76. I disagree only on number 3. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Over the course of the morning I've clarified "Obama shouldn't have commented" to make clear... |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Perhaps, and good for you |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
86. The arrest could still be right. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
93. Yada Yada Yada.. |
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Politicub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
97. The conduct was unbecoming of a public servant |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
98. "Crowley isn't a racist" |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
101. Plenty of acting stupidly to go around |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
103. If a Freeper has to defend a cop that arrested someone at his own home, I'm happy |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
106. How do you know that Crowley ISN'T a racist? Just curious... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
108. Really? Why did Crowley say he finally spoke out because he was "tired of being called a racist"? |
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