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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:11 PM
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"Wow! I bet white people get treated this way all the time!"
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 01:28 PM by Empowerer
Several years ago, I purchased a new car from a dealership owned by longtime family friends. Because the salesmen and dealership employees had been instructed by the boss to take good care of me, I received the absolute best red carpet treatment imaginable.

When I went to the dealership with a friend to sign the papers and pick up my new car, he was blown away by how everyone in the dealership was falling all over themselves to serve me. When my salesman left the room for a minute, he turned to me and said, "Wow! I bet white people get treated this way all the time!"

I tried to explain to him that this wasn't "white people" treatment but "friend of the owner" treatment. But he was having no parts of it.

He truly believed that whites operate at a whole different level when no one is looking. And that perspective is understandable.

My father always told me that the primary purpose of racial segregation was not, as commonly believed, to keep the races separate. In fact, even in the most rampantly segregated environments, whites and blacks intermingled quite regularly - blacks were in white people's homes, cared for their children, bathed and dressed the adults. Their children played together - until time for school. White men frequently slept with black women, etc.

No, the point was not to keep blacks away from them. The point was to impose a badge of inferiority upon blacks, to make us feel there was something mysterious and special and unattainable about whites that we could never match or replicate.

For example, I can't tell you how many blacks who went from segregated public schools into integrated schools who told me they were flabbergasted that the white kids weren't any smarter than they were. They just assumed the white kids were smarter and the separation allowed that lie to be perpetuated.

We have run into the same thing in professional settings when we discovered that it wasn't that hard to get better grades than the white med student or to best a white lawyer in court or to beat a white political opponent, and so on.

Yet, a continuing remnant of the racial divide between blacks and whites is the misapprehension that all white people are treated better than all black people. Unfortunately, the result of this is a tendency of many blacks to presume racial bias whenever we are treated badly, even where it doesn't exist, which is perfectly understandable under the circumstances. It also leads to the tendency among some whites to dismiss actual cases of racial discrimination and to accuse blacks who are naturally suspicious in certain situations of "playing the race card," etc.

This is why continued open conversations about these issues are so important. But we can't leave it up to the president to do it - it's not his responsibility. It is ours.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:17 PM
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1. Rec'd...
You're quickly becoming one of my favorite posters.

Great Post!
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:25 PM
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2. K&R. n/t
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:26 PM
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3. Excellent points...
Certainly a lot of truth in what your father said.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:28 PM
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4. Separation makes it easier for people to believe lies
There are more white hate groups here in nearly lily-white northwest Arkansas than I've seen anywhere else. It's sort of hard to believe that blacks are stupid and lazy if the richest man in town is a black entrepreneur, as was the case in an integrated small town where I used to live.

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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:28 PM
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5. Based on your experience at a car dealership, white privilege is a misapprehension? n/t
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:31 PM
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6. Not at all - I'm not sure how you got that from my post!
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:34 PM
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7. Hence the interrogation point. n/t
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 12:47 PM
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35. That's what I got from it too.
Take your one experience and it knocks down all of racism and discrimination.

Nice!
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 01:10 PM
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36. I really don't see how you could have gotten that from the OP
unless you didn't read the whole thing.

I took it to mean, not that he/she was trying to negate the existence of racism but that they were using an example to show how separation and lack of communication can lead to false assumptions - which was the purpose of segregation in the first place.

I have had very similar exeriences with black friends (I, too, am black btw) who grew up in environments where they had very little meaningful interaction with whites and, as a result, believe that 1) whites are smarter and better equipped to succeed than blacks, 2) whites almost always get extraordinary treatment in society, 3) all white people are racist, and 4) any instance of ill-treatment of a black person by a white person must be a racist act, any special treatment of a white person by another white person must be racial favoritism, and any special treatment of a black person by a white person is because the black person, for some reason, has been accorded "honorary white" status.

Separation has also caused some white people to have similarly misplaced assumptions about blacks.

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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:36 PM
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8. Great post! Happily K & R'd!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:37 PM
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9. Very well said.
And the internalization is the most insidious part of segregation. I went to integrated schools (if you can call a classroom with one or two black students integrated but I digress) for first through half of the fourth grade. I was never under the impression I was inferior to to my white peers. In fact at an early age I remember commenting on some people's superiority complex. It wasn't until I got to NY that I spent time in schools that were predominately minority and even then it was only until high school and I was in gifted programs before going to high school. I was a smart kid. So despite my good grades what did I hear from adults while in Jr. High? I'd like to see how you do in a school with really smart kids. The JH was a gifted school they were supposed to be smart. Unfortunately, they were predominately black and Latino so they weren't really smart.

Don't get me started on the appearance of "arrogance" for appearing to be reasonably confident.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:51 PM
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12. And Bill Kristol (the arrogant prick) just called Obama "arrogant." nt
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Leo The Cleo Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:42 PM
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10. You're Right! I'll leave the interpretation of racism to Whites.
Edited on Sun Jul-26-09 01:42 PM by Leo The Cleo
It's obvious I nor Dr. Gates are smart enough to know racism. No black could possibly interpret racism correctly, so we'll leave it to white people, since our faculties on the subject are obviously diminished. Whites have superior intellect on the subject and this is better left in the hands of white people.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 01:46 PM
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11. WHAT are you talking about?
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Leo The Cleo Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 02:00 PM
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13. The Hints of Feces All Over The Place
If a system is laden with racism and has racism, sexism, homophobia and other written in the law, I find it very hard to believe that there are many instances for blacks "to presume racial bias whenever we are treated badly, even where it doesn't exist." It would also be very hard to instances where sexism and homophobia don't exist. You misunderstand and play down the very role of segregation and then determine that blacks don't always get "racism" right.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 02:10 PM
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14. That's what you got out of my post? Wow. nt
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Leo The Cleo Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:05 PM
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18. It's there. It's right in there!
Hey, I don't deny that there is racism, but you can't have a system that effects everyone and has created the effects that effect everyone in the system and then say that incidents that happen in the system are unrelated. "Well, God created everything, but didn't create evil." His mother raised him to be a bank robber, but she's not the reason he robbed a bank. It's ridiculous.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 02:25 PM
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15. Eddie Murphy on "white people treatment."
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:22 PM
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23. Classic.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:25 PM
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26. That was one of his earliest forays into "make up" comedy, too.
It's rivetingly funny stuff. Painful, but that's where good comedy comes from.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 02:31 PM
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16. Help clear up my confusion with your OP. You purchased a car from a longtime
friend and because of the treatment you received a friend accompanying you assumed white peple get special treatment. From this we can infer you are white and your friend is black. Yet later, you say "...impose a badge of inferiority upon blacks, to make us feel there was something mysterious and special and unattainable about whites that we could never match or replicate." Later you write, "...a tendency of many blacks to presume racial bias whenever we are treated badly..."
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:03 PM
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17. Yeap, I just reread it and it sounds like he's establishing the fact that whites get treated better
...than defusing the notion.

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Leo The Cleo Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:15 PM
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19. Tussled with in my head . . .
but let it go.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:36 PM
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28. I'll clarify -
I am black. My friend is black. He saw me getting special treatment and thought that, because I was a friend of the owner, I had been elevated to "honorary white person" status and was receiving the same treatment that white people received ALL of the time.

I hope that helps.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 04:41 PM
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20. the penis thing is true though
trust me.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:10 PM
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21. Well, damn them to hell for
thinking they could do that..'cause I got news..Everyone on the whole Planet is equal as human beings and the ones who feel superior to others because of race or class are the ones who need serious help.

"No, the point was not to keep blacks away from them. The point was to impose a badge of inferiority upon blacks, to make us feel there was something mysterious and special and unattainable about whites that we could never match or replicate."

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:13 PM
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22. It's called "the mud sill theory"
the mud sill is the lowest part of a house. The theory goes that we all want/need to feel superior to someone else.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 06:51 PM
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25. True. n/t
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 06:46 PM
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24. You touched on several truths and one fallacy in particular.
I KNOW racism when I see it and when I DON'T see it. As far as MY experience and observation goes there is no "misunderstanding" and I've been around awhile. I will not claim or cry foul, bias or racism, if I have no proof but you best believe there will always be suspicion.
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Chakab Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:33 PM
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27. I'm sorry, but your opening anecdote seems
rather bizarre to me. How long did you know this black friend of yours? Did he have any of other white friends? Had he ever been to another store or restaurant with you or any other white person? And was he being facetious or serious when he made that comment? I only ask because I believe that anyone (black or otherwise) who honestly believes that EVERY white person who goes to make a purchase is ALWAYS waited on hand and foot (regardless of other factors like their appearance, social class ect.) is either astonishingly naive or incredibly fucking stupid. Frankly, I think its strange to use an incident like this to make generalization about how black people en masse may interpret the actions of the people the deal on a daily basis.

With that being said, I do agree with some of the other points that you made.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:07 PM
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29. I'm not white. n/t
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 09:48 AM
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34. Whoops!
:-)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:11 PM
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30. Well said. n/t k&r
:dem:

-Laelth
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:21 PM
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31. Name just one person who thinks that...
"that all white people are treated better than all black people."

Just one.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 08:59 PM
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32. My cousin Theo, among others . . . n/t
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 10:46 PM
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33. Great post!
I'm surprised that so many people don't seem to get it - it was clear as day to me -

(Maybe it's because I didn't assume you are white . . .)
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