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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 04:08 PM
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"public option that might have roared like a lion is becoming, at most, a mouse that barely squeaks"

THE PUBLIC OPTION: DEAD BY PEN STROKES IN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEES
by John Geyman MD PNHP
July 27, 2009
John Geyman, M.D. is the author of The Cancer Generation and Do Not Resuscitate: Why the Health Insurance Industry is Dying, and How We Must Replace It, 2008

The so-called public option has emerged as the single most divisive point in the health care reform proposals being shaped in various committees in Congress. Republicans have risen up to demonize it as a government takeover of health care on the slippery slope toward socialism. Within the powerful Senate Finance Committee, it is being called a deal-breaker for any bipartisan bill.

The public option refers to a new public plan that would compete with private health insurers in an effort “to keep them honest”. It is a concept trumpeted by Jacob Hacker, now a professor of political science at the University of California Berkeley. His original idea, as first envisioned in the 1990s, was that a large public program, operated along the lines of Medicare, could cover as much as one-half of the non-elderly population by shifting all or most of the uninsured, as well as all Medicaid and SCHIP enrollees, into the plan from the start. Because of its size and efficiency, such a large plan would be able to keep its premiums much lower than private plans, thereby increasing its attractiveness to enrollees. In addition, all non-elderly Americans, whether privately insured or not, would be eligible to participate. Government subsidies would be extended to those unable to afford the plan. Private insurers would be required to offer the same minimum benefits as the public plan.

So the initial idea was premised on the idea that a public plan could bring needed competition into the financing of health care. Forget that dream. Although the current House and Senate bills both include a “public option”, it is in name only. What might have roared like a lion is becoming, at most, a mouse that barely squeaks. The details change every day, but already these kinds of changes from Hacker’s original concept make it a policy non-starter:

We are now being told by the Obama administration and many legislators that the public plan will bring competition into the system and will help to cut costs and make insurance more affordable. At the same time, they are trying to reassure the insurance industry that the public plan will not put them out of business. This is double-talk and snake oil of the worst kind.

As just another plan available to a small segment of the population, the public plan if ever enacted will further fragment the system, increase bureaucracy, and still not result in either cost containment or open choice of coverage. The playing field would remain tilted in favor of private insurers, and the public plan would likely become a dumping ground for poorer and sicker patients through adverse selection.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.guaranteedhealthcare.org/blog/john-geyman-md-pnhp/2009/07/27/the-public-option-dead-by-pen-strokes-in-congressional-committee

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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 04:12 PM
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1. You're on
a roll today eh? Keep up the good work. I mean, with good progressives such as yourself, Republicans just sit back and relax. No need for them going around bashing Obama when many here at DU do the job for them.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 04:39 PM
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4. The Republicans are opposed to both a strong public option plan and Medicare for All

You didn't know that?

Or do you favor a weak public option or no public option at all which is what Republicans and Democratic "blue dogs" and "centrists" would prefer?
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 04:48 PM
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5. And yet I've never heard you say a peep
negative about republicans. Plenty of criticizing Obama saying he shouldn't be reelected in 2012 and the like but Ensign, Sanford, you let them off spot clean.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 05:00 PM
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6. What you just posted isn't true. And the truth is important on Democratic Underground

You wrote: "criticizing Obama saying he shouldn't be reelected in 2012"

That's not true. I never wrote that. If you think I wrote that Obama should not be re-elected President in 2012, if he runs, please post that link.

You also wrote: "I've never heard you say a peep negative about republicans."

That also isn't true.

I've had hundreds of posts that have probably been more critical of Republicans than your posts!

Do some research before you make such wild and false claims and try to stay on subject if at all possible.

This isn't a trash talk board.

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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 05:04 PM
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7. Bull crap
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 09:29 PM
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13. You lied and you just provided hard evidence that you lied! Thanks for your help!

You falsely claimed in your post that I criticized "Obama saying he shouldn't be reelected in 2012"

That's not true.

Here's what I actually wrote:

"If the economy isn't better I don't think Obama will run again ....

President Obama said he doesn't expect a second term in the White House if the economy hasn't improved.

If the economy is much better than today and the unemployment rate is at pre-recession levels I think Obama will run again and easily win in 2012."

Here's the link to my actual comment:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8535323&mesg_id=8535323

Thanks for providing the link to what I actually wrote .... a link that proves you lied about what I said! Yikes! I can't believe you actually did that!

You sure got smarts.

:)

Since you think this is a trash talk board, only want to engage in smears and personal attacks against DU'ers you disagree with and obviously don't wish to engage in civil and democratic discussion and debate you have just won a top spot on my ignore list.

Bye, Bye!
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 11:58 PM
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17. Right
And you hide behind semantics again. You cannot in 2009 put up a post asking who the democratic nominee for president should be in 2012 and not insinuate that Obama should not be renominated. Everyone else who doesn't have skin nearly as thin as yours can read your post and infer that you do not believe Obama should be nominated in 2012.

But go ahead and be deliberately obtuse.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 05:28 PM
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9.  the proof
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8535323&mesg_id=8535323
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8534917&mesg_id=8536741

Once again, your bullshit bubble to the top like shit creme in sewer milk. Your a flat out Anti-Obama MSM basher and you do absolutely nothing else here but that. There is no measured descent or discussion. Just bash.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 09:41 PM
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14. "There is no measured descent or discussion" on DU ??? !!!
How do you measure your descent, by the mile or feet?

You're not the person shown in this photo, are you?

He's all for descent. On a good day he might even be in favor of dissent if he only knew what it meant and could spell this difficult word!





Oh. Since you also think this is a trash talk board and prefer bashing progressives as your favored form of descent, I've had to place you on ignore.

Bye! Bye!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 11:54 PM
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 11:59 PM
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18. Hey can we be ignore buddies?
Edited on Tue Aug-04-09 12:02 AM by Engineer4Obama
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 12:07 AM
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19. sure, all you have to do is call him on his bullshit
and we will be like peas in a pod.
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 05:33 PM
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11. Yeah, I'm well
aware of that fact.

I'm also well aware of what the article you posted implies and it's just another attack on Obama not being strong enough.

Look, your agenda here is clear, many see it for what it is. Why continue to pretend you're anything but an Obama hater?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 09:44 PM
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15. Right, That's why I supported Obama and not Hillary.

Are you just making this stuff up by the minute?

I guess it's the old saying .... "throw enough crap up and some of it is bound to stick".
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 08:20 AM
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20. did you type that with a straight face? psst, you don't fool anyone here...
:rofl:
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:57 AM
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22. If anyone
knows about throwing crap it would be you. You're here daily throwing the shit out and honestly, it's not sticking.

So what, you supported Obama, the fact is daily you find as much shit spewed by the haters and post it here gleefully.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 10:36 AM
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23. What don't you agree with in the article and why?

Have you actually read the article or are you here to mainly launch negative personal attacks against DU'ers?
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 05:15 PM
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8. +1 nt
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 04:14 PM
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2. "a mouse that barely squeaks"
if only...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 04:17 PM
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3. This would be so laughable if it weren't so tragic...
...are trying to reassure the insurance industry that the public plan will not put them out of business.

For as long as I can remember, we've been told that only the private sector can provide goods and services to the consumer. Now, we read that the private sector is scared shitless that government is going to put them out of business. WHAT??!!! I thought Big Government was lousy at providing goods and services. Now I read that Big Government may be actually much better! Why not let it try and see? If Big Government is really as bad as the corporatists want us to believe, then private enterprise has nothing to worry about. Right?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 05:30 PM
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10. k&r for the truth.
Edited on Mon Aug-03-09 05:32 PM by Laelth
Shame on the blue dogs and Party operatives who unrec'd this thread.

Some of us want real reform. Does that make us Republicans?

:dem:

-Laelth
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-03-09 05:39 PM
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12. This is why i am glad to be Canadian...This cave-living by the American peoples is appalling

It's a shame that the majority of Americans dont realize that if they stay focused and group together they are more powerful than congress and its special interests. Its very true what SiCKO talks about...how the people are living in fear and feel they have no power. Man...things have to change because its just not right watching this never-ending slaughthouse day-by-day from across the border.
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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 09:42 AM
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21. If you can't opt into it,
then it's not a public option. It's not just Repukes and a few Blew Dogs that are going to fuck us on health care. Many Democrats want everyone to know they are for a "strong public option" but they never will say what they think that consists of. They want to make it look like they did something but still maintain the status quo, or worse, with a government enforced insurance scam.

Add mandated insurance premiums, under threat of a govt. fine, to the list of boondoggles we will have to pay for, just like the bailouts and permanent War On Terra.
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Cresent City Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 10:49 AM
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24. Time to stop the back-pedaling
Single payer was stillborn in this debate, so the public option became the focus as the next best thing. Now a Senate committee is promoting the co-op, which is weaker than the public option. Dems need to stand firm and keep real reform intact instead of passing something so weak that no real change is made.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-04-09 10:50 AM
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25. thank you for posting this
As Democrats, and especially as liberals/progressives, it's important to be aware of all sides to an issue, even if we don't necessarily agree.

ps - don't let the goon squad get you down...
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