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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:10 PM
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Fox: "Bush Blasts Kerry for Iraq Waffling"


NEW YORK — President Bush (search) accused his Democratic rival Monday of a pattern of waffling and leaving behind a trail of contradictory positions on the war in Iraq (search).

"Today my opponent continued his pattern of twisting in the wind," Bush said at a rally in New Hampshire. "He apparently woke up this morning and has now decided, no, we should not have invaded Iraq, after just last month saying he would have voted for force even knowing everything we know today."

"Incredibly, he now believes our national security would be stronger with Saddam Hussein (search) in power and not in prison," Bush said. "He's saying he prefers the stability of a dictatorship to the hope and security of democracy.

"I couldn't disagree more, and not so long ago, so did my opponent," Bush added, quoting Kerry as saying recently, "Those who believe we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president."

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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:12 PM
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1. Hopefully people will be able to see through this BS
Have I told you today how much I hate these people?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 07:13 PM
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24. I can only echo your sentiments.
I do have faith in the American People. It's so insulting how these people manipulate EVERYTHING.
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:17 PM
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2. He sounds like a troll on a bulletin board
pretty pathetic for the Leader of our country.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:31 PM
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11. Exactly!
He keeps reeling off those Talking Points without a moment's thought.

Kerry's going to rip Bush a new one in the debates!! Esp. the Town Hall setting!
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:19 PM
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3. No, Mr. Bush, that's what YOU prefer
"He's saying he prefers the stability of a dictatorship to the hope and security of democracy."


Sounds like a clear case of projection to me.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:36 PM
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14. To the Iraq democracy?
Edited on Mon Sep-20-04 06:44 PM by air napkin
Bush is either too blind or too stupid (or both) to realize that his Third Reich-like imitation of democracy isn't taking in Iraq.

Were Kerry President, he would have pursued bin Laden to the fullest extent (you know, the guy that ACTUALLY had something to do with 9/11). Then, when all was said and done, if we had thoughts of going after Saddam, we would have done it with the support of the UN and the proper funding AND a plan to win the peace (credit goes to Kerry for that line). THAT is the way it should have been done.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:23 PM
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4. And our response should be-
can we win a war on terror? Or maybe not? Bush has some nerve to accuse someone else of waffling.
W stands for WAFFLE.
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captainjack Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:24 PM
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5. where's Kerry reaction in that story??
notice how Kerry's reaction is never presented. It really is a bulletin board for returdlican agenda.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:25 PM
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6. Faux - our reality is different than yours...
Liars - I wouldn't even have ANY idea what they were up to if it weren't for DU. I actually removed FOX from my cable programming available channels. So nice to just skip over it and not even notice.
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captainjack Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:28 PM
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8. nice...
i stopped watching tv altogether. the only thing i miss is the daily show and NOW, but the net makes up for all that.

good bye boob tube, hello perfect vision!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:32 PM
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12. I have never been so productive - even with wasted time here on net
I am just in better shape and getting more done. Thanks cable news! If you think ratings are surprisingly low for before an election, wait 'till the lemmings go away and US NEWS JUNKIES have found satisfaction elsewhere.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:25 PM
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7. I am so glad I don't
have to salute that creep. I actually do have a salute for him though. In fact I seem to give it to him every time I see him on TV.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:29 PM
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9. I heard the soundbite and thought he is going to get hammered in debates
His delivery is Weak, his own views are Waffling and he sounded like a Wimp.
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 07:03 PM
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22. If he throws in "the world is safer without Saddam," he WILL get hammered
...because that's Kerry's cue to hammer HIM with...

1). Faulty intelligence, no WMD, removal of Saddam NOT worth 1000+ lives (not to mention the wounded).

2). The "exit strategy," which is non-existent due to the chickenhawk assertions of Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc. that "we would be welcomed as liberators."

3). NO focus (other than "campaign talking points") on a DOMESTIC agenda. The hearts and minds of the freedom lovin' Iraqi people should NOT keep costing us lives on a daily basis and snowballing a debt that will crush your kids, their kids, and THEIR kids. People need jobs. Companies should NOT get heavy tax breaks for shipping jobs to India, China, and Mexico. YES, those countries need jobs. It's not the responsibility of the U.S. to provide gainful employment for the fucking WORLD.

Three's enough. There are many more, but if I can pull these right off the top of my head, just think of what Team Kerry will come up with.

:toast:



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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:31 PM
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10. This only days after his own monumental UN waffle
Back in March of 2003, bush was saying "show your cards."

Now it's "UN, please help us out, we need your help."
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:35 PM
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13. Remember Fallujah (Bush's principal flip-flop)
In April, after the deaths of the four U.S. mercenaries (aka "contractors"), Bush was quoted as saying he wanted "heads to roll" in Fallujah. A full-out assault by the Marine Corps commenced. Then, three days later, the U.S.M.C. assault ended and Marines withdrew, after reports of massive civilian casualties began to leak out.

The U.S.M.C. didn't decide to launch the assault and they didn't decide to withdraw; they don't make policy, they execute it.

So Kerry's response, imo, to the Repuke 'flip-flop' bullshit should be "Remember Fallujah"
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:37 PM
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15. 23 different excuses for invading Iraq.
23!! From The Excuse pResident.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:38 PM
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16. I'm looking forward to Bush repeating this same charge in the debate.
Let Kerry explain it to him in person. Let Bush try to spin what Kerry said IN PERSON.

Methinks that Bush will NOT make this same charge and in fact, will try to weasel away from his own accusations he makes on the road.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:41 PM
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17. He doesn't need to repeat it now...
...having made it once, he can rely upon the Mighty Wurlitzer to repeat it ad nauseam and for the lazy corrupt press to pick it up and use it proudly as if they'd thought it up themselves using their own little minds.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:42 PM
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18. Oh man, did you see the attempt to look "unscripted"?
He's speaking without a podium, like Kerry does. HOWEVER, he's reading from notes on an unobtrusive tiny music-stand thingie. What an arrogant arse! He can no more speak off-the-cuff than my dead cat can.

I can't wait for the (oh please let it truly be) unscripted town hall debate!
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:44 PM
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19. Can you imagine Bush saying this in the debates?
He thinks (well he wants you to think) that Kerry said that he would have invaded knowing what we know now. But Kerry never said this. So keeping in mind that this statement of Bush\s is a bold face lie, imagine if Bush said it to Kerry in a debate. Kerry could say..

"I am not surprised george that you are confused on my position on Iraq, given that you seem to be confused about the reality on the ground in Baghdad"
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They_LIHOP Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 06:50 PM
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20. Find ANY article where Kerry 'blasts' Bush...
And not only will the writer of the article come to bush's defense in one way or another, they will also publish the bush admin's retort. Funny, you don't see that here, though. AWOL just gets to 'blast' away, unencumbered by the burden of actually speaking truth.

Kerry DID NOT VOTE to 'use force', for the millionth time!

He voted (and later confirmed his vote, even absent WMD's) to GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO THE PRESIDENT to use force if that was in HIS best judgement. BUSH is the one who should be accountable here, not Kerry. All Kerry did was TRUST that bush would act like a rational human being and seek to AVOID the carnage of war.

Kerry voted to maintain US unity in pressuring Saddam to allow inspectors in. Saddam wouldn't have let the inspectors in if he doubted that the US was prepared to use force. A strongly divided Congress on the subject of the use of force would have been BAD for the prospects for PEACE.

Kerry needs to HAMMER this point to the point where it really reaches people, and sinks in, if he's going to be able to tackle the subject of bush's disaster in Iraq w/any success.

HAMMER HAMMER HAMMER.

"I DID NOT vote FOR WAR. I voted based on the WORD of the President, which HE BROKE. I believed he wanted peace, if possible. The inspections were GOING WELL, according to Hans Blix. Yet * attacked anyway. He broke his word to ME, to our Soldiers, to the Country. The inspections should have been allowed to continue, and we should've continued to work diplomatically to assure that Iraq couldn't ever become a threat to the USA. * has now created thousands of NEW terrorist recruits in the people of Iraq who have seen their loved ones killed, their oil revenues plundered, their infrastructure destroyed..."

That kinda thing...

C'mon John. You GOTTA clarify that YOU DIDN'T VOTE 'for war', you voted FOR PEACE through the projection of force... And you GOTTA clear up the $84 Billion vote-thingy too. You must relentlessly repeat that you DID VOTE for funding the soldiers, but that you supported the Dem's version of the bill, which would've repealed some tax cuts on the richest of the rich to PAY FOR IT, and that your voted was a 'protest' vote against passing the cost on to the soldiers and their families 'when they returned home'.

John, your positions are based on sound logic, and can appeal to emotion as well, but almost nobody among the public understands WHY you did what you did with those votes. You MUST clarify w/the public what your thinking was on these matters at the time. Or lose...
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democrat_patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 07:00 PM
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21. Kerry really needs to clarify this!!

Good point. Hopefully he can state this in the debates - unless the station cuts to commercial during this point. Which wouldn't surprise me!
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K. F. Gibbons Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-04 07:09 PM
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23. We were safer until he bungled the war and discovered we were lied to
as far as WMD and eminent threat.
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