Burkett Confessed: HE PROVIDED THE DOCS

[Killarney]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=4&u=/ap/20040920/ap_on_el_pr/bush_guard_questions
Rather this weekend interviewed Bill Burkett, a retired Texas National Guard officials who has been mentioned as a possible source for the documents. His interview will be on "CBS Evening News" on Monday.

CBS said Burkett acknowledged he provided the documents and said he deliberately misled a CBS producer, giving her a false account of their origin to protect a promise of confidentiality to a source.

The Associated Press could not immediately reach Burkett for comment.

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So, he provided them... but did he create them or get them from someone else? He gave a false account of their origin... ???

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Paging Mister Rove

[NewYorkerfromMass]

2. So Rove set him up?

It would be great to prove that one.

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[flpoljunkie]

3. Burkett says he misled to protect confidentiality of his source. Who is

that source? Cable News not reporting this, of course.

[Killarney]

5. Maybe he'll reveal that tonight?

I hope so. He's got some explaining to do.

[demfaithful]

66. why does he have to protect his source?

If it is Rove, why wouldn't he just say so.

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[Lex]

4. Well now, this could get GOOD.

Rather might break a story here that is larger than the first story.

[Demit]

9. Yes! We might could be in for some fine lemonade from this lemon...

[Clinton Crusader]

11. I wouldnt count on that

Me thinks they are stepping WAAAAAAAAAAY back now and it will impune their credbility and it will go no further. Rather may not believe ANYTHING Burkett says now, as the statement from either him or CBS says they were misled BY their source - Burkett. What can Burkett provide as absolute PROOF of his source? Any documents he provides will now be considered suspect, unless he recorded a phone conversation or has it on video, this is a lost hope and of course giant fucking asshat comes out on top.

AND

I hope I am dead freakin wrong. Hope. Hope. Hope.
:kick:

[michigandem2]

15. my prediction all along was

if these "forgeries" get so much attention--its a mistake...I think there is more to HOW the documents got to Burkett, and why wuold he mislead a major news source...

I think there is MORE to this story...and all this attention surrounding it...it sure would be EXCELLENT if Rove was outed as the "source" or someone close to him was the source and then the whole WEB of connections come out again...but they wanted this...so lets hope cbs finishes with a bang

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[truhavoc]

6. I've been avoiding this whole mess...

but please inform me, on who's side is Mr. Burkett? Was this a Rove ploy or just a misguided dem?

[Stephanie]

10. Burkett has been speaking out about Bush's files being sanitized

for quite some time. He has said since 2000 that he was in the TANG office when the order came to sanitize Bush's files, and he saw it happen.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

37. I guess the problem I have with Burkett's story is....

...he said he found Bush documents in the trash. If I wanted to sanitize someone's record I'd either shred or burn the documents. I wouldn't just dump 'em in the trash bin.

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[KayLaw]

93. Really?

If they're so obviously forged, why did the White House assure CBS of their authenticity? It's very important we find out which the sneaky bastard misled Burkett.

[Nederland]

117. Get a clue

If they're so obviously forged, why did the White House assure CBS of their authenticity?

God, isn't it obvious? The White assured CBS because they wanted to see CBS with egg on its face. And it worked.

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[JohnnyCougar]

125. If the documents were lies

then they would have only needed 5 seconds to debunk them. If the content was not true, it wouldn't take a document expert to verify them. They would just say "of course they're forgeries, the content is not true!" But the content IS true, that's why the "weren't sure." And that's why Laura Bush said they were "probably" forged.

[0rganism]

140. But these docs weren't in Bush's file per se, they were in Killian's

Another reason they might end up in the trash is if someone wanted them to be found -- for whatever reason.

[Killarney]

12. Burkett hates Bush. I mean... really hates him.

But the right has labeled him as mentally unstable. Long before this. That might be true. If he knew these were forgeries and lied and pushed them on Rather, that's inexcusable. If he was lied to by his "source" (Rove?) then that's a different story.

[demfaithful]

68. Rove hummmm

Well we should insist that Burkett reveals his name. That would blow this wide open. I keep asking myself, why protect Rove? Who is Burkett protecting. Who would be the logical source? There are only two. Either Rove/RNC or Kerry/DNC. Who else?

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[in_cog_ni_to]

7. a promise of confidentiality to a source

Source??? WHO??? OMG, I hope he tells Rather who that source was. PLEASE, Mr. Burkett! For the good of your country...TELL WHO YOUR SOURCE WAS!!!!

[demfaithful]

69. The media should ....

That's a laugh. But if Burkett reveals it's Rove. How can the media keep from reporting this. If it is the DNC/Kerry, he surely wants to keep it quiet. Remember, Burkett is one of us.

[BootinUp]

8. I wouldn't rely on Burkett to help

Other media interviews have caught him making contradictory statements over the alleged destruction of files before.

[Clinton Crusader]

14. EVERYONE who has spoken with him says he's unstable

he would have to have iron clad proof, like a recorded conversation or a video at this point to be believed.
:kick:

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

136. He probably typed the damn things up himself to get back at bush

...this doesnt sound like a credible source.

CBS is going to get nailed on this one.

[geek tragedy]

139. Yep, and Kerry needs to get out of the way.

Burkett is a loon and a liability. Screw him.

[henslee]

13. Someone, Memogate for Dummies... Is Burkett a bad egg or a good one?...

Or a good egg that's just a little cracked. Will there be a path to the original documents, based on the parties he is supposedly protecting? Or is this issue a disaster and a Rovian distraction.

[procopia]

16. Author James C. Moore:

"Burkett’s reputation was also considered impeccable by a number of people I had interviewed both on and off the record. Even the Chief Warrant Officer, George Conn, who later discounted Burkett’s version of events, described him as an honorable man who never opened his mouth without speaking the truth."

http://www.buzzflash.com/buzzscripts/buzz.dll/sub2

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. He's a good egg who caught some bacterial infection or viral infection,

something like that, when he was overseas and has a neurological disorder because of it. Nerve damage and has to walk with a cane. The WH will try to destroy him, no doubt.

[berry]

22. I wonder how "stable" anyone would be

under a barrage of death threats. Salon has reported this (Eric Boehlert has been following this story in excellent detail). Also that Burkett got a bullet in his mailbox with his name on it. And recently his son's car was burned (someone set it on fire).

It also has been reported that Burkett has suffered from bouts of depression. Hmm. So anyone who has ever been depressed is thereby officially untrustworthy? Nice smear--it doesn't prove anything, but feeds upon popular fears and misconceptions about mental illness, using a broad brush.

I'd love to see Burkett given the time to tell his whole story on air. But with all the threats against him and his family, I suppose he wouldn't do it. At least not now. I wonder if HE is keeping notes like Killian's.

[emulatorloo]

72. Salon interview w Burkett Feb 2004

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/02/14/burkett/index_np.html

snip

Fending off allegations that President Bush failed to honor his Texas Air National Guard service by taking unexplained months off at a time from serving, the White House also has to deal with the accusation from a retired lieutenant colonel in the Texas National Guard who claims aides to Bush went through his military file in 1997 and removed any embarrassing information, and tossed documents in the trash. They were allegedly the types of documents that might help answer many of the unanswered questions surrounding Bush’s Guard service today.

The retired officer, Bill Burkett, went public with his charges in 1998. But with renewed interest in Bush's Guard service, and specifically the contents of his personal military file, Burkett's story about tampering has taken on greater urgency, and attracted national notice. "I don’t like the attention," he said from his home near Abilene, Texas, during an interview with Salon. "If you think 15 minutes of fame is worth it, that's damn sure no motivation for this kind of crap," referring to the constant press inquiries. (Burkett’s story is also detailed it in the upcoming book by James Moore, "Bush's War for Re-Election.")

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[hughee99]

18. Rove?

If Rove was directly the source, why would Burkett even trust the docs, and give them to CBS, let alone protect Rove? Unless you find this to be an even grander conspiracy then it may seem, in that Burkett was a plant who has intentionally been causing * problems for more than 4 years just to set up his credibility as anti-* for a trick like this. Burkett is protecting someone... it is NOT Rove and I doubt greatly that it is a Rove surrogate. We were tricked on this one, but I think it was by one of Kerry's own misguided, overzealous supporters, let's drop this issue. As someone above said, if *'s record of the last 4 years isn't enough to damage his credibility, what makes us think that missing a few days in the TANG is going to make the difference?

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Look at Mr. Buckhead first and all roads will lead to KKKRove.

I'd bet money on it! This SMELLS just like something KKKRove would do. His hands ARE all over this. Mark my word.

[michigandem2]

31. how would we be able to investigate WHO was behind this

"source"? and how can we go back to rove??? sorta like they did with the swift boat guys...it would be great if there was some way to at least figure this out..I don't think this was just a bad judgement call...I believe that Rove or someone out there FOR Rove is behind this...

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. IMCPO...Burkett could start the ball rolling.

Maybe tonight's program will give some hints?

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[democrat in Tallahassee]

119. he detected this on a tv screen 15 minutes later? get real

and I still don't know how we know they are fake and I've worked with typesetting my whole life.

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[aquart]

23. What's wrong with picking up the rock to see what crawls away?

Could be someone you know.

[hughee99]

38. I have no problems

with conducting an investigation into this, but I don't think you're going to be able to draw a clear connection to Rove (* campaign) here, and if you can't do it, then politically speaking, there's nothing in it for us to continue to investigate. I don't think it's good for us if the media continues to make this the issue rather then *'s failures in Iraq, Aftghanistan, N. Korea, on the economy, jobs, healthcare... Frankly, most people have already decided what they believe about the TANG. People on Kerry's side think the sentiment in the docs is accurate, people on *'s side don't think this or don't care. If new docs come to light, do you think any * supporters are going to change their mind? I just don't think this is going to get any new votes for Kerry, and it's taking airtime away from issues that will get new votes for Kerry.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Will the RW talking heads call for Burkett to release

his source? I can't wait to see if they do. If they don't, it was KKKRove. Burkett should release his source...immediately.

If they DO, Burkett should release his source, KKKRove.

Sounds like a win win situation to me. I would bet ANYTHING it goes back to KKKRove.

[demfaithful]

25. You are not getting the picture here

Burkett could be tied to the DNC. He is a big time DNC activist. They are going to tie him to max cleland (spelling?) then to the DNC. How do I know. As I said, my mother is a repub and has a lot of this information.

Let us all hold our breath and hope this is going to end here.

Someone said that there is going to be criminal investigation, if there is, this will be as big as Watergate.

[Sparkly]

29. oh for crying out loud

This is not the work of the DNC.
Burkett doesn't work for the DNC.
Cleland was contacted by Burkett, not the other way around.

"Criminal investigation?" Good grief.

[kimchi]

30. Your momma sure is "in the know".

If she has this info maybe she should be interviewed by CBS. Ya think? Welcome to DU. Where ya from? Can't see your profile.

[Pathwalker]

32. BULLSHIT! Or, should I say BUSHIT!

Yo momma is WRONG!!!! Max Cleland is NOT tied to this - tell YO MOMMA that we Democrats won't ALLOW another BUSHIT lie to smear Sen. Cleland!!
A criminal investigation - of what? :eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. No way.

There's NO WAY the DNC would be so stupid as to do something like this. NO WAY. This election is TOO important for Max Cleland to do this. Nope. He would not, IN A MILLION YEARS, do that to his friend, John Kerry. Tell your mom to stop reading Free Republic...it will rot her brain.

[classof56]

34. By as big as Watergate,

do you mean it will lead straight to the oval office, as WG did with Nixon? If so, that's a good thing. And the quicker the better!

BUSH MUST GO!!

[demfaithful]

42. Pictures of Clinton, Carville

My mother has pictures of Clinton and Carville with David Van Os who is Burkett's lawyer. David Van Os is a big time DNC contributor. Republicans are working hard to tie all this together. That is all I am trying to say.

[Sparkly]

44. What's that supposed to prove?

Geez, if that's all it takes, we can "prove" all sorts of things about BushCo and the Plame outing - just find a picture with Bob Novak and anybody from the Bush camp.

[demfaithful]

57. You aren't trying to understand this

What I am saying is, they are trying to tie this together and blame the DNC/Kerry. Listen, I hear this stuff all day. Some of it is a laugh, some is scary. We have to be alert and prepared at maybe an October surprise.

I'll try to remain positive and not post any information that I hear from the (dark side). Although, I do believe in keeping our friends close, and our enemies closer.

[Doohickie]

51. So a candidate for political office has been seen with an ex-pres

So what? Van Os is running for Texas Supreme Court Justice. What is so strange about being seen with a prominent figure from his party?

[demfaithful]

59. The only problem is

You ask what is strange about this? Well, we have a possible scandal here that shows a relationship. It doesn't prove anything. But it does tie Carville, Clinton, Cleland to Van Os and Burkett.

I don't want to be a fear monger. I only am trying to explain what I am hearing. We can either dismiss it, or think about it. That's all.

[Doohickie]

144. A tempest in a teapot.

I'm still planning on voting for Van Os.

[Liberal Veteran]

55. So, the Swift Liars and Bush had the same lawyer....

...must mean Bush was behind the Swift Liars, right?

[classof56]

63. Now THAT I would believe...photos or no!

I'd even believe it if they didn't have the same lawyer.

Guess I just can't stop being the Tired Old Cynic!

Oh, and--

BUSH MUST GO!

[demfaithful]

64. Swift boat vets

Who knows who was behind the Swift liars. We can face the facts or can hide from them. The story I am getting is that these vets got together with 50M dollars and put that ad together. Now, if someone has an proof that the repubs gave them the money, I would like to see it.

The only way we can fight our enemy is to know what they are planning and doing. We have to be truthful to ourselves and not be blind followers. Both parties are not telling the truth on all matter. This we can not hide from. I like to know what I am going to be hit with, before I get hit. October surprise keeps coming up. Whether we have one, or they have one.

We should really be constructive and keep our minds open. That's all I am saying.

[unfrigginreal]

65. Here's a suggestion

Stop being a blind follower and open YOUR mind. That's all I am saying.

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[Liberal Veteran]

67. They are swift boat liars.....they dishonor vets by their actions.

And have sullied the awards of soldiers.

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[Liberal Veteran]

87. Um, what are you ragging on me about? The SBVTs are the liars.

Not me.

[arlib]

132. You are a joke.

Very funny.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

128. They were at a fundraiser or charity event and posed together?

please go spread your BS elsewhere...

[Clinton Crusader]

145. SBL's lawyer was *'s lawyer, come on!

:kick:

[unfrigginreal]

43. LOL - "as big as Watergate"

More RW wetdreams.

[blm]

70. HAHAHAH...what a load. DNC had DECLINED to pursue it weeks ago and

did not have any further communication with Burkett,

What part of DECLINED were you unable to understand?

[emulatorloo]

73. Who supplied her w this confidential info? Rush?

EOM

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[Sparkly]

79. Gee, maybe President Rather will need to leave the White House.

:eyes:

[Liberal Veteran]

88. SNARF!

:)

[KayLaw]

101. No

This information was coming out anyway. The DNC had no motive to pull a stunt that could only benefit Bush. Tell your mom that Republican Christopher wanted an investigation but was turned away. Wonder why?

[sundog]

122. uck!

you started this crap before

go back under your bridge & harass some goats

[arlib]

131. You are too funny.

Really.

[Guaranteed]

21. Uhhh...who cares?

Why don't we just do our best to drop this issue and start talking about the stuff that matters so that Kerry can win?

[BootinUp]

24. yep

[johncoby2]

27. Amen!

[flpoljunkie]

28. Tell that to the cable news talking heads. They are hard on this story &

we all know they tend to cover only one story at a time.

Glad to report that MSNBC has not forgotten Kerry's speech today, but CBS's failure to properly vet these documents will get most of their time.

Jeff Greenfield, CNN resident whore, rushed to note that now it doesn't matter if the story is true anymore--wishful thinking on his part.

[AngryAmish]

26. Did Harry Carson give Burkett the docs?

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. Who's Harry Carson?

His name doesn't ring a bell.

[AngryAmish]

89. Inside joke for NY Giants fans

He has nothing to do with this.

[Norquist Nemesis]

36. I'm thinking he "re"-created them

either because he did not want to release the originals or because he doesn't have the originals but wanted to make sure what was in them got into the mainstream.

Here's the transcript of his interview with Chris Matthews (re-aired on Hardball last week). http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6028507/

MATTHEWS: Why in 1997 did you not do something with this information?

Something...

BURKETT: I did in 1997. I did something in 1997. I first tried to work through the system and understand something. There‘s risk to everything that you do, and I am a human being. It doesn‘t mean that I had all shirked that responsibility, but I did make effort, both officially and unofficially, through some political contacts, including somebody that was very political in the Guard. I did.

So, Burkett's been talking about this since before the 2000 election. No one listens. That has to be frustrating to know you are telling the truth and being dismissed as not credible.

After seeing this show, I'm wondering why the mainstream media is focusing on "OMG! They're forgeries and CBS is worthless!" instead of investigating the following:

1) Is there verification that he tried to "do something" back in 1997? What steps were taken, was there an investigation, and what/who specifically was involved with the investigation? (we already know the results if there was one)

2) Burkett says "We moved into—we walked into a facility. There was a standard folding table there with a large trash can, old style, metal trash can, roughly 15 gallon, table top high. I was standing next to that trash can, right next to that trash can. These files were there. In the course of a very informal conversation about the files, I looked down, and the top piece of paper was—had the header on it in handwritten, on a standard form, in handwritten letter, Bush, comma, George W., his initial, 1 lt. As those two individuals did walk away, I did something that I‘m not terribly proud of, but I did look at the first five or six or seven or eight pages, and they were all Mr. Bush‘s files."

Who's "we". What do those 'two individuals' have to say in support or denial of Burkett's account?

3) MATTHEWS: When that interview first aired on February 12, we had a report immediately following from White House correspondent Norah O‘Donnell. She reported that Joe Allbaugh, the man Burkett says led the effort to whitewash President Bush‘s National Guard records, denied those allegations, calling them outrageous, false and hogwash. Mr. Allbaugh also told Norah O‘Donnell he had no idea who Mr. Burkett was, and denied the conversation Burkett recalls ever took place.

Is there any evidence that Allbaugh had any contact with Burkett? Memos, sign-offs, meetings on the calendar...anything? If so, Allbaugh was lying which would make sense for him to deny knowing Burkett since he's been fingered as the lead in the whitewash.

Those are just a few things I'd like to know. Move on from the 'documents are forgeries'. It's about the content and accusation of Bush's favored status and the scrub to protect him.

[weetimmer]

39. Karl Rove

Aren't some of you reaching a bit. It certainly appears that the memos are forgeries. Burkett clearly has an axe to grind. Would not the simplest explanation be that he made the documents himself. He then sent them to CBS News, and they fell for them. They have since been pretty well debunked as forgeries, and everyone is back-pedalling. It strikes me as more thean a bit Machiavellian to think that Rove is the source. Burkett made them and supplied the, and CBS fell for them. Occam's Razor.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Nope.

Mr. Buckhead from Free Republic was online within MINUTES of the memo program being aired...debunking them with ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION. Rove is behind this. Rove plants bugs in his office and blames it on opponents. He has innocent people arrested for stupid shit to further his political agenda. He breaks into campaign offices to get campaign fliers and does dirty shit with them. He leaked important info from the Reagan/Bush WH and GOT FIRED for it. NO...I don't think it's a reach to think KKKRove is behind this. He is.

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. As far as Buckhead vis Rove vis Bush goes

They had a heads up from CBS and went into motion for defense. The WH has still not denied the contents of the documents. Of course, all the media is focusing on is "forgeries", not contents. The media has not returned to thoroughly investigate the original allegations of Burkett starting back in 1997.

All it takes is a simple denial from the administration and they all wimp out and say, "Okay!"

I don't think Rove or any of the rest of them created and leaked the documents. I DO think they can be linked to a strategy of mis-direction to seek and destroy 'enemies' in their standard SOP. Again...they had foreknowledge of the documents and the report that was coming out.

[KingofRock]

62. Give me a break!

Every time something goes wrong or seems to help Bush there is a slew of DUers who are 1000% sure that Karl Rove set it up. He is just a political adviser. There are not enough hours in the day to do all the things that are attributed to Rove on this website.

[spanone]

71. Saying Karl Rove is just a political adviser is like saying Ivan was just

a storm. This is a man who was mentored by Lee Atwater who was one of the most indidious 'political advisors' the biz has known. Karl is capable of things we can't even imagine.

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[Norquist Nemesis]

46. ummm.... isn't that what I said?

at least as far as Burkett being the one who re-created them?

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[weetimmer]

47. Welcome

Thanks for the welocme. Lurked many times, never posted before.

[seabeyond]

48. because wee.............we know they are true.

you know they are true. the journalists know they are true. adn bush certainly know they are true

there was a reason they were presented as is. from what i understand in law, he had to change them up a tad in wording, to not get in trouble. dont know the specific of law.

now you can pretend like rove, like bush since you point to documents as forgeries makes the content false. only the stupid are going to fall for that.

the info is correct

[weetimmer]

52. We know they are true

How? CBS is already distancing itself from this, and has issued a de facto retraction. Would it not be wiser to drop the whole thing rather than continuing to beat a dead horse. I don't think that Bush's service was an effective issue in 2000, and seems to be less so now. Voters seem to have made up their mind on the issue. There are more effective ways to campaign than basing it on these memos.

[Sparkly]

56. We know they are true because they're confirmed by statements

and we know Chimp didn't take his flight physical and was grounded because OFFICIAL ANG DOCUMENTS SHOW THE SAME THING.

We know he skipped over hundreds of names waiting to get into the guard.

We know he and his handlers have been covering it up for years.

[seabeyond]

58. how???????????????

the information, facts have been there for all to see and know for years. it is not just these documents that spell it out.

look, this doesnt have to do with kerry campaign, for me it is more the nation and where we are as a people. once again, a liar wins. once again bush tells a story and though we all know it is not true, we accept a lie as truth.

no doesnt havent to do with kerry, or his campaign and i dont believe kerry was ever holding onto this, so he doesnt need to let go. he has been staying on point

[trumad]

61. Where's your damn profile head?

[Norquist Nemesis]

53. In this case, I think we're giving Rove too much credit.

At least as far as producing/creating/leaking the documents. Now as to the actual strategy of fending attacks due to the documents (i.e. focus that they are forgeries and keep that as the message"), I think we're right on target. :)

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[I_love_republicans]

100. and we know they are true, too

So, the charges by the fake documents are true, but the charges by the Swift Boat Vets are false? Interesting logic here at DU.

[JohnnyCougar]

134. the problem with your logic

is that you ignore all other evidence based on one set of forged memos. The earth is round, didn't you hear?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

50. It "appears" but the fact is no one's proven that the memos are forgeries

Nothing is known at this time other than that the source is suspect.

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[seabeyond]

97. the blindness is what you are talking. you are merely talking the

documents. who the F* cares about the documents. i am talking that this stuff is true regardless of how the documents were created to get this information out. you are sounding bushlike and rush and hannity, continually going to the documents, to stay away from the content of the documents

are you saying the content is false. are you saying bush served honorably. are you saying bush put in his time, didnt get put in front of 150 other men, that his score at the lowest possible 25 was what qualified him to go past the other 150, are you saying he wasnt grounded and he did take his physical and continued his flying, that he served in alabama that he finished up his duty in boston???????

[Blue_Roses]

54. funny you should mention Machiavelli

"He's enormously effective," says Dallas lawyer and Bush critic Tom Pauken, noting that Rove's political bible is Machiavelli's The Prince.

[Killarney]

92. That would be the easiest explanation, but

a couple things don't make sense.

1) why did Buckhead post on a blog 20 minutes after the show a detailed post about how they are forgeries - how would he know so fast?
2) why did the WH happily accept and pass out the memos unless they knew they were fakes and it would backfire on the evil CBS?

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[seabeyond]

83. do you know anything about bush's national guard record?

i ask you. have you done any research on bush's guard record

[demfaithful]

86. Who are you asking about bush's guard record?

If you are asking me, yes I did see copies of his military records. How could I not. My mother has stacks of documents and stuff around here about her beloved repubs.

Look. I am living with a repub, she is as passionate a repub as I am democrat. Me and my father are faithful democrats. She turned during the Clinton years. Bush did release his 108 or 180 forms allowing his military and medical records to be made public. I know for a fact that John Kerry did not. He says he did, but he only released a few that he want to be release. His biographer even said that.

Don't worry, I am doing all I can to turn her back to a democrat. So far, not so good.

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[geek tragedy]

102. Welcome to DU!

I hope you enjoyed your very brief stay.

[demfaithful]

108. Not what his biographer said.

I can't remember his name, he was asked about the forms and he said that Kerry should release all of them.

[Liberal Veteran]

126. Actually, Bush DID NOT sign a form 180.

I'm surprised "your mother" didn't tell you that.

[Mr Blond]

40. Ugh! This sucks!!

Here's what's going to happen...

CBS will be painted as partisan or gullible, or probably BOTH due to them either believing Burkett or, worse yet, WANTING to believe Burkett...And we've just lost one somewhat critical/unbiased news outlet.

Burkett has lost all credibility and won't be able to help expose the Idiot in Cheif any further. Not even if he had a picture of him screwing Sadaam while being AWOL.

This just SUCKS! Burkett has screwed us!! He's responsible for sucking all the oxygen out of everything else. I suspect even today's reportedly GREAT speech by Senator Kerry is going to be overshadowed by all this. If for no other reason than the other news organizations wanting to beat CBS over the head with all this.

Yes...This SUCKS!!!

[demfaithful]

60. You got that right.

Kerry gave a fantastic speech today. What is all over the media?

Rather.

[demfaithful]

82. Fox is yapping about this right now....

Carl Cameron is now reporting on FOX that Kerry had been pushing the 60 Minutes interview for weeks to the press scribes on the plane..

Bingo! I hope Kerry has a rapid response team ready to begin shuting this down before it gets a hold. Yesterday Caddall said that it won't be long before it gets put into the DNC/Kerry's lap.

Keep the faith.

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[seabeyond]

103. so how does it feel backing a loser like bush

an incompetent, a failure in life, a man that is so full of himself he turns his back on his soldiers and allows them to die for his own ego. how can you in good conscious go to the polls and vote for bush. he wasnt even a c student. my kids are even beyond them in intellegence

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[seabeyond]

107. a vote for bush is a vote against the troops

and a vote for terrorist...............

it is yours to do

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[seabeyond]

114. fake answer, you have no documentation

for the basis of your assumption. just more garbage you people feed. just cause it sounds good

[seabeyond]

113. a vote against our children

our elderly, our women, our minority, our vets, our poor, our middle class.............and on and on and on

but the very rich, ah they are the ones being taken care of. btw. that is my family, so in greed and self absorbtion, i should really be voting for the man. and you

[demfaithful]

110. What the hey are you talking about?

I am not backing Bush.

[seabeyond]

115. i am not talking to you

wink

[Liberal Veteran]

127. Of course not....your "mother" is.

:)

[geek tragedy]

130. Norman Bates comes to mind. I wonder why. n/t

But maybe this is good news.

If a picture of somebody's lawyer and Clinton is as big as Watergate, then this picture:



will be bigger than Nuremberg.

[the Kelly Gang]

133. lol.norman bates..love it

[geek tragedy]

135. Well, I'm off to the shower.

Why do I feel nervous?

[TheWebHead]

95. it's pretty obvious that Burkett's source is himself

he's the only one who had motive, enough familiarity with the situation, the documents wording matched some of his comments & were not standard terminology of the national guard, and he has a history of making these kind of allegations against Bush. He'll likely zip up on advise from his lawyer on confessing to forging them himself. Burkett is a piece of shit liar who as I've said for a while now has damaged our party and has shifted the campaign onto another nonsense issue that has no bearing on what is important to the American people, and I also was mystified why so many people on this forum stood so strongly with Rather, whose reckless reporting sparked this incident in the first place.

Listen to you guys, why the fuck would Burkett want to protect Rove if he was the source? That makes no sense whatsoever, stop making excuses for this asshat and treat him like the black sheep that he is.

[Blue_Roses]

104. I don't think Burkett is the source.

According to this interview, Burkett trusted a hell of a lot people who he probably shouldn't have. No, I don't think Burkett is a liar, now naive' is another thing. He's not the sharpest pencil in the pack. I sincerely think he got these from someone who was close to him, and he probably took them in good faith, not knowing that he would be the brunt of this now overzealous--" allegedly forged document" story.


http://calpundit.com/archives/003249.html

[demfaithful]

112. a few days ago

We all believed they were not fake. Now we know they are. What's next?

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

138. Thats what I think..there is no "confidential source"....

...pretty good take on the issue.

[npincus]

99. Fuckhead, I mean Buckhead figured it out way too fast...

for a conservative activist who drafted the petition to disbar Clinton, his encylopeadic knowledge of typography with hair-splitting analysis within 2 hours of the initial broadcast is FISHY with a capital "F" (as in Fuckhead)...

If the investigation backtracks from HIM, we may find the source of the documents and the mastermind of this dirty plot.

I believe Burkett was duped and the source came from Republican ranks.

[David Zephyr]

105. Remember: Karl Rove Had The Docs & Had Released Them

before CBS ever broadcast their story.

Even if Rove did not orchestrate or plant the docs with Burkett (which is possible), he did have time to see them and review them and subject them to forgery experts BEFORE the CBS story aired and thus would have been able to provide Buckhead with the rapid response information that he later posted on the internet...too quickly.

So, Rove and crowd fed the information to Buckhead who, as you point out correctly, "figured it out way too fast"...because it had been fed to him. Some of the media has at least reported that Buckhead is no expert on old typewriters and such...so:

THE QUESTION IS: WHO CLUED IN BUCKHEAD?

Because forgery is a federal crime, Burkett and/or his lawyers or the lawyers of whoever provided the docs to Burkett (in their defense) may be able to subpoena Buckhead there in Atlanta and his e-mail records.

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[geek tragedy]

121. Jeepers, Creepers, where'd we gets these . . .

Shoot, can anyone come up with a word that fits here and rhymes?

[denile01]

123. Could it be.....

freeper?

Jeez, could someone flush, please?

:puke:

[geek tragedy]

124. Why the Freepers would want to celebrate here rather than amongst their

friends is unknown.

[Disturbed]

137. Most of the media is Right Wing.

They will milk this until the teat is dry.

[deckerd]

143. Ask demfaithful

I'm getting real sick of his "my RW mother tells me" schtick.

"Now we know the Repugs were right about X" is all he ever
posts. Real clue-in. How d'you guys get rolled by trolls
so easily?

[robbedvoter]

129. Ugh, so that makes W "reported for duty, took physical?"

What's with the fixation on the stupid documents anyway?