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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:10 PM
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Is the U.S. on the Brink of Fascism?
All through the dark years of the Bush Administration, progressives watched in horror as Constitutional protections vanished, nativist rhetoric ratcheted up, hate speech turned into intimidation and violence, and the president of the United States seized for himself powers only demanded by history's worst dictators. With each new outrage, the small handful of us who'd made ourselves experts on right-wing culture and politics would hear once again from worried readers: Is this it? Have we finally become a fascist state? Are we there yet?

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Now, the guessing game is over. We know beyond doubt that the Teabag movement was created out of whole cloth by astroturf groups like Dick Armey's FreedomWorks and Tim Phillips' Americans for Prosperity, with massive media help from FOX News. We see the Birther fracas -- the kind of urban myth-making that should have never made it out of the pages of the National Enquirer -- being openly ratified by Congressional Republicans. We've seen Armey's own professionally-produced field manual that carefully instructs conservative goon squads in the fine art of disrupting the democratic governing process -- and the film of public officials being terrorized and threatened to the point where some of them required armed escorts to leave the building. We've seen Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

This is the sign we were waiting for -- the one that tells us that yes, kids: we are there now. America's conservative elites have openly thrown in with the country's legions of discontented far right thugs. They have explicitly deputized them and empowered them to act as their enforcement arm on America's streets, sanctioning the physical harassment and intimidation of workers, liberals, and public officials who won't do their political or economic bidding.

This is the catalyzing moment at which honest-to-Hitler fascism begins. It's also our very last chance to stop it.

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What awaits us? In stage four, as the duo assumes full control of the country, power struggles emerge between the brownshirt-bred party faithful and the institutions of the conservative elites -- church, military, professions, and business. The character of the regime is determined by who gets the upper hand. If the party members (who gained power through street thuggery) win, an authoritarian police state may well follow. If the conservatives can get them back under control, a more traditional theocracy, corporatocracy, or military regime can re-emerge over time. But in neither case will the results resemble the democracy that this alliance overthrew.

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We've arrived. We are now parked on the exact spot where our best experts tell us full-blown fascism is born. Every day that the conservatives in Congress, the right-wing talking heads, and their noisy minions are allowed to hold up our ability to govern the country is another day we're slowly creeping across the final line beyond which, history tells us, no country has ever been able to return.

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http://www.truthout.org/080909A

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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:14 PM
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1. We were there under Bush
Thats why we elected Obama, we are (still) hoping he reverses the course weve been on.

But I've got to say it wont happen if he insists on bipartisanship, or continues his refusal to buck the corporate interests.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:16 PM
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2. A free country is ALWAYS on the brink of something bad.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:20 PM
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3. Town hall meetings are being cancelled because the psychos can't be controlled
I think we're already there.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:30 PM
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4. Brink??
It passed that point when I was in junior high. Most of my adult life, this country has been hip deep in fascism.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:31 PM
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5. If we don't fight the GOP-sponsored KKK brownshirts being bussed to townhalls...
... whatever happens will be our own fault.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:39 PM
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6. I think we're long past the brink.
After watching the corporate-induced shouting sessions about health care reform that pass for "debate" the last few days.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:44 PM
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7. No... because the fascists were voted out of power.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:47 PM
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8. I don't get this kind of talk. This administration isn't even doing anything radical
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:51 PM
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9. That's why they didn't win.
And who's going to let big business bully them?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:52 PM
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10. A two-year old who throws a temper-tantrum, even if it is a whopper
of a temper-tantrum, is still a 2-year old.


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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:54 PM
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11. You said it better than I did!
:-)
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 09:59 PM
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12. Hi, Life Long Dem. It really is astonishing how badly the wingnuts
are behaving generally, and at the town hall mtgs especially.

We don't let people under 17 into see 'R' movies because they aren't "mature enough" to see them, presumably, but the town hall disruptors are all well past 17 and acting like infants.

Madison and Jefferson would be puking if they could have seen this...
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:05 PM
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13. Yeah, to varying degrees since the industrial revolution
We're as close to full on as we have been since TDR busted the monopolies though. Getting the squatter and company out was nothing more than moving our hand to the shifter but it will take some movement to put it in reverse and then we start the perilous backing out. I figure with luck and a consistent push we can approach sanity in twenty years.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:16 AM
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15. Absolutely right.We're in dire need of another trustbuster like Teddy.
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agentS Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-13-09 10:38 PM
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14. We were one for awhile, albeit a poorly run one
It's not like we're becoming a fascist state- we're returning FROM such a state back to democracy, or at least a veneer of it (damn corporatists). Obama and Co. have been slowly but surely walking us back from the edge of full blown fascism. While this process has been slower than many civil libertarians have liked (Turley, etc) at least we don't have to be worried about being scooped off the streets like so many Arabs were during the post 9/11 years. If you want him to accelerate the process, pressure him, but remember that a lot of these things can be reversed rather quickly, so he might just do it all in November of 2012.

Bush style fascism was wholly incomplete and incompetent. So as Obama and the rest of the nation pull away from the abyss, the rabble rousers and cooks and Dick Armey groups rant and rave in the public square, they are dying throes, the dead enders of the past regime. We'll have to stay vigilant against these groups because while their days of glory (such as it were) are over, their hatred sure ain't. They are as much a threat to this nation as Al Qaeda.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 12:42 AM
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16. ummm.....
"brink"?
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