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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:57 AM
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Did Obama Screw Up by Not Offering a Plan for Health Reform?

Did Obama Screw Up by Not Offering a Plan for Health Reform?
By Marie Cocco
Washington Post Writers Group
August 19, 2009

The president's hands-off approach to reform has backfired, as overhaul of the health care system falls prey to wrangling in Congress.


WASHINGTON -- I missed the hot fun this summer. While much of America seemed to be screeching over the incredible -- in the truest sense of the word -- notion that angry citizens could tote a gun even to a town hall meeting with the president of the United States, I was pondering the relative merits of bike ride versus beach walk. The brouhaha that has stripped away the thin veneer of good will that greeted the start of Barack Obama's presidency is over health care revision, and specifically over something the media keep calling the "Obama health care plan." That one stumps me, too, because there is no "Obama health care plan." Nor has there ever been one. That's part of the problem. The Obama political strategy has been that the White House would not propose its own health care legislation, lest it meet the same fate as the Clinton initiative of the early 1990s. The Obama political operation believes the death of the Clinton plan was foretold because President Bill Clinton sought to impose a White House blueprint on Congress, rather than letting lawmakers do their own thing.

There's plenty of evidence that the look-ma-no-hands approach hasn't helped, and it probably made the painful politics of health care hurt more, not less. For one thing, the president has outsourced his signature legislative proposal to a political entity -- Congress -- that has a public approval rating of about 30 percent in most recent polls, far lower than the president's own standing.

With no White House plan to serve as a political marker, it's been every member for his or her self. That's why there are competing Democratic plans, and rifts within rifts in the party. Vacationing lawmakers have no single plan to defend or even explain to the throngs of detractors -- and, sometimes, supporters -- who are turning out in the heat to harangue them. Without the president even setting out clear lines about what will or won't win his signature, there is no political penalty to be paid by any Democrat who crosses Obama.

And who can even tell when he's been crossed? The White House is now in retreat from the president's often-repeated support for a public insurance plan to be offered to consumers who currently lack insurance, or who are unable to afford what they now have. It hasn't said publicly which of the competing tax proposals it will accept as payment for expanding coverage, a minefield set to explode in the coming months.

Thus far, the Obama White House has stood firmest behind its own agreements -- reached in secret, without public hearings or congressional input -- with lobbyists for the drug industry and hospital groups who have promised to deliver cost-savings at some unspecified time in the future. It even has backed the drug industry's insistence that Democrats be prevented from writing legislation that would allow the government to negotiate discount prices, a congressional goal since the Medicare prescription drug benefit program emerged from Capitol Hill as a slush fund for industry profits.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/142020/did_obama_screw_up_by_not_offering_a_plan_for_health_reform/



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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 12:33 PM
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1. did better believe it post another bullshit smear piece?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 12:44 PM
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2. b.b.i.
better believe it...
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:20 AM
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21. !
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:04 PM
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7. Why yes. Yes he did. :) nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:25 AM
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22. Oh you're right it's a "he".
I don't know why I always relayed the persistance on negativity to a woman instead of a man. As to the OP---Most people praised Obama for not putting out a White Hous plan. The failure of '93 by some has been relayed to the fact that BC actually developed his own plan and without a more bipartisan line up and using the role of the congress. Instead our President thought carefully about the Clinton mistake and tried to engage bipartisan input and have Congress work out a plan. Both plans are fairly similar and now it's time to negotiate a plan. Your pushing a meme that many people have disproved. You can see that in Rachel Maddow's show last weeek where her guest talked about the mistakes of '93.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:10 PM
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49. its nice to have a hobby
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 12:53 PM
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3. Obama negotiates, and retreats, from a plan he didn't have?
Do these people even read the stuff they write?
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:00 PM
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4. Apparently not..
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:02 PM
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6. Some people just don't understand what they have read!

Or they pretend to not understand.

Or they comment on articles they haven't actually read!
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:17 PM
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8. So, you're retracting that statement you didn't make, then?
Are you walking back from the position you didn't hold?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:44 PM
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10. No. I am not President Obama.
So don't accuse me of that!

:)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 02:00 PM
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12. Oh, so you're denying being somebody who you didn't claim to be?
Do you often retreat from not being somebody else?

:evilgrin:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:26 PM
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14. I hope this clears everything up.
Edited on Wed Aug-19-09 11:27 PM by Better Believe It
I deny that I have not admitted that I'm denying being President Obama who I didn't claim to be after I denied it.

Now if that isn't crystal clear I don't what is unless I know what crystal clear is.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 02:21 PM
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26. So, you're a serial denier.
Do you deny that?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:21 PM
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30. I like serial for breakfast. Especially crispy rices.

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:25 PM
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31. You do not love The Leader enough.
This has been noted, and the Central Committee has been informed.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:28 PM
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37. Perhaps I need to engage in some serious self criticism and rehabilitation for my political errors.

Could someone provide me with a list of liberal books and progressive websites I should avoid that will try to "plant" wrong ideas in my brain?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:39 PM
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39. First, you must make public confession.
Then comes show trial.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:07 PM
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47. May I read the confession I must sign or do you just need my signature at the bottom of a blank page

You can type out the text above my signature later.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 07:10 PM
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48. Just a signed blank page, please.
The Ministry of Love will do the rest.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:21 PM
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9. don't you get tired of embarrassing yourself like this?
Edited on Wed Aug-19-09 01:21 PM by dionysus
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:00 PM
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5. Geez, how tireless.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 01:46 PM
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11. No. His only screw up is not being strong and demanding what he wants.
Stop being scared to offend people Mr. President
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:16 PM
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27. Totally agree
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 01:32 PM
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36. That's My Opinion Too! Seize The Day And Show Them You Mean Business! n /t!!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 02:03 PM
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13. He screwed up by putting Rahm & the DLC in charge.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:38 PM
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33. +1
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:29 PM
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15. yes
"let them work it out on the hill" was a flawed strategy from the start
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:34 PM
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16. Obama is smart than you are
It's working out quite well

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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:38 PM
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17. I am sure he is
I am glad you think its all going so well.
On what planet do you spend most of your time?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:18 AM
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20. "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 12:19 AM by ProSense
Seriously, just because your pessimistic projections aren't clever in any way, don't let it get you down.

:rofl:



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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:33 AM
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25. The one where trolls call the democratic health plan the democrat plan. n/t
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:59 PM
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18. Seems to me this process has come farther than before
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 12:16 AM by SpartanDem
It hasn't been smooth sailing, but you would have to be deluded to think even if a specific plan was given that you wouldn't see the same Congressional pissing. Each path has downfalls and upsides if Obama can be faulted for anything it's not taking a more public role sooner.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:11 AM
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19. Bill and Hillary HAD a plan and it failed
Though I will say it lacked a public option and did not win over the left nor the right.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:27 AM
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23. Yup. n/t
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:28 AM
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24. Yes. It allowed the opposition to frame the debate.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:35 PM
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32. +1
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:48 PM
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34. +2
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 03:29 PM
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28. I think he could have been much clearer, much earlier
I understand the congressional strategy, but it doesn not seem to have worked well so far.

We'll know better in the end.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:28 PM
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29. Absolutely not. It would not have mattered--we would have seen the same stuff from the gop
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 12:52 PM
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35. I don't think he needed to spell everything out,
but Cocco hits the nail on the head here -

"Without the president even setting out clear lines about what will or won't win his signature, there is no political penalty to be paid by any Democrat who crosses Obama."


Obama had a mandate to lead on this issue, instead he tried to be a conciliator - which I think is his greatest fault overall.






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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 05:30 PM
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38. tactically, yes,
but practically no, because the only plan his banker and insurance company buddies would have let him propose would have alienated even more potential 2012 voters than his inept buffoonery on the issue.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:18 PM
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40. you know, it warms the cockles of my heart to see how much you hate obama. it really does. it oozes
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 06:21 PM by dionysus
right out of every pore. and you know what? you have about 7 and a half years left of this brutal bitterness and sour grapes left. yep. it sure does put a smile on my face.
:hi: see ya tomorrow.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:30 PM
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41. I don't hate him.
Edited on Fri Aug-28-09 06:46 PM by leftofthedial
I just think he's one of the bad guys on health care (and on giving trillions of dollars to banks instead of directing it to demand-side stimulus).

(Oh. And on escalating the occupation of Afghanistan with no clear objective, no exit strategy and no reason to be there.)

Other than that, I love the guy. I cried tears of joy on election night. I use his speeches in my Composition and Literature classes. I think he could be a great President. If his actual policies (and personnel choices) came close to matching his rhetoric, he would be the equal of giants like Lincoln or FDR. As bad as he has been on the big three issues, he is FAR better than a bush or a raygun. He is better than McCain would have been.

I don't hate him.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:32 PM
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42. wow. this post is very different from most of yours. in case you didn't know, you come across as
loathing the man.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:54 PM
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44. I knew from the start he was a right-of-center corporatist.
I never expected him to become a bona fide progressive. I did hope he might have an FDR-style epiphany of conscience once in office. Alas, that hasn't happened. If anything, he keeps moving steadily further away from the people.

I have three major issues: health care reform, illegal occupations of foreign countries, and restoring economic balance to this country.

So far, he's been dead wrong, in my estimation, on all three. I also think he has moved far to the right of the image he so carefully crafted during the campaign. Sometimes, it was literal statements or promises that gave us the idea he'd do the right thing when elected; sometimes it was carefully crafted rhetoric that just made it seem as though he might do the right thing. He masterfully manipulated that gray area between style and substance to build a coalition of progressives, without whom his right-of-center base never could have carried the election.

I'm just calling it like I see it.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:52 PM
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43. Define "screw up".
If you believe his goal is to get comprehensive health care for every American, like the rest of the first world, then yes he did.

If OTOH, you believe his goal is to ensure that nothing is done and that the status quo continues unabated, then no, it is working perfectly.


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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:59 PM
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46. Bingo. He's doing exactly what he was chosen to do. n/t
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 06:58 PM
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45. I have said that since the beginning. He needed to show and demostate Leadership but
he did not do so.
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