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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:37 PM
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Sigh...Need Help debunking another bullshit President Obama lies
This is an email that is making the rounds. Anyone from Montana know the truth?

1. DO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY REALLY REALIZE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR COUNTRY??????????????????

THIS PATRIOT SHOWS US WHAT WE ARE UP AGAINST AND WHY WE MUST PRESS ON!

This is from a woman who lives in Bozeman, Montana. Thought you would be interested in the truth about how his visits are orchestrated. Her husband is a former Navy pilot and Delta Airlines captain.

Hello All,

By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday. However, there are many things that the major news has not covered. I feel that since Bill and I live here and we were at the airport on Friday I should share some facts with you. Whatever you decide to do with the information is up to you. If you chose to share this email with others I do ask that you DELETE my email address before you forward this on.

On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President would be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding on what they were going to do. The White House would not release ANY details other than the date.

On about Tuesday Bill found out that they would be holding the "Town Hall" at the airport. (This is only because Bill knows EVERYONE at the airport) Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded from the public.

FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a large amount of folks with sufficient parking. (gymnasiums/auditoriums). All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED IN!! $$$$$

During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it was our President coming several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. $$$$$

Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be handed out on Thursday 9am at two locations and the president would be arriving around 12:30 Friday.

Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request. Hmmmm...900 tickets just DISAPPEARED.

This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think...with all of the traveling the White House is doing. $$$$$ One can only imagine what else we are paying for.

On Friday Bill and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal)and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd.

The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them.....professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area)

Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man.

So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest.

If you are wondering about the press......Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds.

We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho. Speaking of the local media...they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event. Wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of their head.

It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes........the White House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!!

I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America, more like the USSR!! I was physically nauseous. Bill and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices.. If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in Washington DC. Scary!!


Seriously! They had nothing to say when the Previous President handpicked his crowds and arrested people for t-shirts.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:41 PM
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1. lobster shipped in via UPS for Obama?
I mean where do these people get this insanity. Don't even waste your time.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:48 PM
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2. I know it's ridiculous isn't it?
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:54 PM
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14. Well, He Had To Eat As Much As Possible....

...with Ramadan coming and all.

These people have mental issues.
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StopTheNeoCons Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:49 PM
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3. Snopes link here
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 12:11 AM
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15. Geez- Snopes is fast
thanks for that link
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:50 PM
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4. I am not from Montana, but it sure sounds like a lot of first person
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 08:54 PM by rurallib
observations none of which are corroborated by anything.
I note that she seems to have inside info from every printing shop, airport etc., etc.
If I ever got something like that and it said 'don't use my name' (jeez lady aren't you proud of your lies?) I would pass it to all my lefty friends with a note to contact this crazy woman with your opinion.

ETA - I should have read SNOPES first. Ignore me.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:55 PM
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5. She forgot that part where aborted fetuses were the appetizer to the lobster
Jesus.. what crap.

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:56 PM
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6. What the hell can you say about this???
There's not one iota of fact in it. They touch every one of the base lies to form an absolutely absurd story. You won't change any minds back trying to debunk this and I seriously doubt it will change any minds the other way either. This is just red meat for the RW. They're just trying to keep the RW as stirred up as possible.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 08:58 PM
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7. I know I just wanted to share more of the bullshit that's out there...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:06 PM
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8. No sense in debunking-
Just laugh and mock the sender.

I'm serious about this. They'll just hit you with more dishonest counterfactuals.

The person who sent the non-sense isn't worthy of your thoughtful time.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 09:30 PM
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9. This is a professionally written email.
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 09:32 PM by Hansel
Most RWs are challenged in spelling and have problems putting a coherent sentence together. Notice that there are no spelling errors, there are actual paragraphs and sentences, and fairly good grammar. There is also a logical order to the email and progression in telling a story. It also goes overboard on trying to convince readers that the person is a local (This is only because Bill knows EVERYONE at the airport). Also too much description about where the event took place. If they were writing an email to a friend why would they need to do this? What is the point? Fabricators tend to get overly detailed in situations where the average person would not.

Popular themes play out in this email such as Obama is an elitist (brings in expensive lobster) and is not one of us (we have best beef in the nation). Obama's only support is from unions. Unions bad and not real folk and are outsiders. White House is trying to control us.

Biggest lie: "Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation." This is not the behavior whatsoever demonstrated time after time on television by people who are against healthcare/spending.

I'm particularly drawn to this phrase: "I felt I was not living in the United States of America, more like the USSR." This has Glenn Beck written all over it. Google Glenn Beck and Russia, it's a real eye opener. This man is obsessed with the idea that Teddy Kennedy is in cahoots with Russians to undermine America. I think him helping Obama get elected is driving him even deeper off the deep end.

It's amazing how many of these viral emails have the same type of writing style almost like they were written by the same person or firm. This is clearly a professionally generated piece of propaganda and was not written by some local in Montana. I'm betting it came from Glenn Becks propaganda machine.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:38 PM
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12. Thanks for summing it up like you did.
You are right it is too clearly written....
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:14 PM
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10. Wonder where I've heard the exact same opening lines.......
This is from a woman who lives in Bozeman, Montana. Thought you would be interested in the truth about how his visits are orchestrated. Her husband is a former Navy pilot and Delta Airlines captain.

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:17 PM
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11. There's no point in trying to deal with idiots who would read, much less believe,
an e-mail like that. Just no point. Those are the type of people who DON'T CARE what the truth is. They just want to bitch about their hatred toward Obama and liberals. They get a kick out of those e-mails, even when they suspect the e-mails are lies.

Just no point.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:39 PM
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13. You are right! It really is a waste of time and a waste of energy.
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