Is there any Republican who honestly thinks Jesus would not want Universal Health Care???

[KansasVoter]

I would love to hear their logic about that!

How can any Jesus loving republican think that Jesus would not want every person to have access to health care?

The bastards are so hypocritical that it makes me want to puke!

[rfranklin]

1. I assume you are not referring to Republican Jesus?

Republican Jesus strikes down the poor, the sick, the downtrodden. They deserve it because they are lazy and worthless and God doesn't love them!

[rurallib]

13. In republiKlan world, your holiness is equal to your bank account

so, hey, can't afford insurance, you probably don't deserve it.

[Joe Bacon]

32. The Republican God is Ayn Rand

The Republican Jesus is John Galt
The Republican Holy Ghost is The Invisible Hand
The Republican Bible is Atlas Shrugged
The Republican Heaven is Galt's Gulch
The Republican St. Peter is Milton Friedman
The Republican St. Paul is Arthur Laffer
The Republican FIrst Commandment is Look Out For #1 and Fuck Everyone Else.

This is what Republican Christians believe.

[LiberalAndProud]

2. I actually heard a neocon radio jock address this on the air

in another context (maybe the war?) and I could not believe what he said.

We probably do a lot of things that Jesus wouldn't do. But we have to take care of business -- something along those lines anyway. I thought to myself, gotta give him props for being honest, I guess.

[SpiralHawk]

8. "We probably do a lot of things Jesus wouldn't do. Smirk." - Republicon Christians

That's for damn sure.

[Captain Hilts]

3. I keep wondering that myself. nt

[Oregone]

4. Yes, but Jesus would of said its "impossible" and "there isn't enough votes"

Then he would of walked on water over to the insurance companies, and struck a deal to subsidize and mandate their service.

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. I don't think Repubs actually believe in Jesus. They just use him to control the sheeple.

[GivePeaceAchance]

20. That's about it definitely.

[CreekDog]

6. You clearly haven't read what Jesus said in the "Parable of the Laffer Curve"

:eyes:

[depakid]

7. Honesty is not a Republican value in the 21st Century

So it really wouldn't matter what they thought in Church.

[LibDemAlways]

9. A woman I know told me that she firmly believes God has a plan for

each of us, and if he wants a particular person to have access to health care, he'll see to it that it happens. If not, oh well, wasn't meant to be.

I'm not making that up. That's what she believes. :crazy:

[Hassin Bin Sober]

28. Tell her Jesus gave Obama the win so we can have health care.

[Joe Bacon]

34. My family believes the same bullshit

Totally brainwashed by 19th Century Fox and TV preachers, they spit out the same bullshit about "God will take care of you". THe same God who let our parents lose their home paying medical bills. "But it was God's Will", is all I heard from these morons when that happened.

Seeing how the Republican Party has totally infected churches with their bullshit--it makes me sick. I refuse to even step foot in a church, knowing I will hear the latest Republican talking points spit out of the pulpit. The older I get the more contempt I have for religion. Marx was wrong about a lot of stuff but he sure hit the nail on the head when he said that religion was the opiate of the masses!

[stopbush]

10. Weren't we just through this a week ago?

Jesus refused to heal the daughter of the Canaanite woman in Matthew. His excuse? She wasn't a Jew, and he was sent for the Jews alone. He compared healing her non-Jewish daughter to taking food out of the mouths of children and throwing it to the dogs. It's even worse than that: Jesus first refused to even acknowledge her existence. He then refused to treat her daughter not once, but twice.

He only relented when this poor mother groveled at his feet, reminding the megalomaniac that even dogs get the crumbs that fall from the table to the feet of their masters. Like a typical HMO, Jesus healed her daughter only after the woman groveled appropriately by agreeing that she WAS a dog, that he WAS her master...and that her "faith" to believe such inhuman drivel was "great."

[noel711]

38. Read that same story from Mark 7: 24-37

When the woman was bold enough to respond to the 'typical' answer,
he didn't blink. He healed the child, and then went one to heal
another gentile.

Matthew wrote his gospel with an agenda: to appeal to Jews.
Matthew has a lot of proof texts from the Hebrew scripture,
a way to say: Jesus is your messiah too.

Mark, Luke and JOhn wrote their accounts with their own agendas.

(OH, why did the gospel writer have the woman grovel?
NOt because JEsus expected women to grovel: read carefully all of the
gospels, especially Luke and JOhn: women play a major role in his
life and his future. JEsus certainly did not expect women to grovel..
that was the point of the veiw of the patriarchal system then, and throughout
the early church.. and even NOW many church leaders expect women to grovel...
but not Jesus. JEsus didn't write these gospels, they were written by people
with their own prejudices...)

YOu can't take any of these gospels as the literal words as Jesus spoke them;
like any of us, they wrote with an agenda.

It's the role of the reader, the teacher, the preacher, to sift thru
the point of the view of the writer to discern Jesus' point:
And the point that comes out of the scripture is that Jesus DID
reach out to those who weren't in the inner circle.
And there's the expectation that those who truly 'get' what he preached
also won't exclude people,, NOR expect women to grovel.

[stopbush]

41. No, there's an agenda to sift through the various Gospel accounts

and to chuck the ugly parts of the Jesus story and to promote only the verses that put Jesus in the best possible light. That's what "the reader, the teacher, the preacher" have been doing for hundreds of years, isn't it?

As far as political agendas driving the Gospel authors, Mark's Gospel was written as an allegorical fiction and only makes sense if read as such. It falls clearly in line with the type of mystical novellas that were around at the time (take the scene in Gethsemane. Who was there to write down the words Jesus spoke? His disciples had all fallen asleep. So how did the Gospel author know what he said? "Divine inspiration?" Hardly - a simple literary device used to this day, wherein a character's inner thoughts are revealed to the reader of the tale, even though the character doesn't verbalize the same.).

Matthew and Luke based their Gospels on Mark and possibly the Q, failing miserably in their attempts to turn Mark's fiction into "historic" accounts of a living person (they can't even agree on the year that Jesus was born. As Mark didn't concern himself with this detail, Matthew & Luke added it, but they disagree by at least 10 years on when Jesus was supposedly born), John is a ham-fisted attempt to retrofit OT "prophecies" to validate the Jesus myth as a fulfillment of prophecy. Unfortunately, John cites as prophecies verses that were never prophecies in the OT. He basically takes what Luke wrote and adds a bunch of "as it was written" non-sequitae to his narrative.

Of course, all of this ignores what modern archaeological and historic research has shown - that Jesus most likely didn't exist as a real person, that his particular myth is a cobbling together of aspects of other fables about other various gods that were popular at the time, and that the Bible is about as a-historic a document as one could hope to find.

And that you can take literally.

[Cleita]

11. Their imaginary Jesus is quite different from the

real one who once walked this earth.

[stopbush]

12. I got news for ya, the Biblical Jesus is also imaginary.

But you already knew that.

[Arugula Latte]

14. Repukes would say stigmata is a pre-existing condition.

[cleveramerican]

15. "Jesus wants me to fix health care"

I know its Bill Maher punch line but I actually thin Obama should give it some thought.

If for no other reason than it would make some republicans heads explode

[IndianaGreen]

16. Their Jesus has blue eyes and blond hair, with a fat investment portfolio

No resemblance whatsoever to the Jesus that said it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.

[Lilyeye]

17. Some of them have. One idiot was on The Ed Show about 2 weeks ago.

Her logic was that the bible only meant that the people should be helping others, not the government (I thought the government was by the people, for the people). And if Jesus came back he wouldn't care about the health care debate :eyes:

[GivePeaceAchance]

18. They would at least have an excuse if they didn't believe anything at all...

I wouldn't blame christianity as a whole, we only have to see Teddy for a true man of faith but they certianlyh hide behind the label. The capacity for goodness doesn't require being christian, but by their own rules they have even more obligation, whic these specific 'christians' don't live by.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

19. Their version of a "Christian Jesus" would put corporate profit ahead of people. n/t

[TomCADem]

21. It Is Funny How The "Christian" Right Ignores The Numerous "Socialistic" Biblical Quotes

It makes you think that they must think that Milton Friedmann is Jesus, because if they actually read the Bible, they would find the following quotes:


"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered."

-Proverbs 21:13

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."

-Proverbs 31:8-9

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."

-Matthew 6:24


"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'"

-Matthew 19:23-24

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"

-Matthew 25:41-45

"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished."

-Proverbs 17:5

"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty."

-Proverbs 22:16


"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"

-Matthew 19:21

"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses."

-Proverbs 28:27

"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

-1 Timothy 6 -10

"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life."

-1 Timothy 6:17-19

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy."

-Ezekiel 16:49

"Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all."

-Proverbs 22:2

"He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker, but whoever is kind to the needy honors God."

-Proverbs 14:31

"A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor."

-Proverbs 22

"Better a poor man whose walk is blameless than a rich man whose ways are perverse."

-Proverbs 28:6

"A faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished."

-Proverbs 28:20

"The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern."

-Proverbs 29

"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death."

-Proverbs 11:4

"Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court, for the LORD will take up their case and will plunder those who plunder them."

-Proverbs 22:22-23

"Do not wear yourself out to get rich; have the wisdom to show restraint. Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."

-Proverbs 23:4-5

"Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless."

-Ecclesiastes 5:10

"A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold."

-Proverbs 22:1

"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land."

-Deuteronomy 15:11

"Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have."

-Hebrews 13:5

"You evildoers frustrate the plans of the poor, but the Lord is their refuge."

-Psalm 14:6


"He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done."

-Proverbs 19:17

"A rich man may be wise in his own eyes, but a poor man who has discernment sees through him."

-Proverbs 28:11


"A fortune made by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a deadly snare."

-Proverbs 21:6


"The wealth of the rich is their fortified city; they imagine it an unscalable wall."

-Proverbs 18:11

[Joe Bacon]

35. The Republican God, Ayn Rand says...

Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one’s values.
("Objectivist Ethics," The Virtue of Selfishness, p. 28)

One is that a man doesn't want people to know he's rich. Another is that he doesn't want them to learn how he got that way.

So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose- because it contains all the others- the fact that they were the people who created the phrase to make money. No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity- to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created.

There is a stage of worship which makes the worshipper himself an object of reverence.

I am a man who does not exist for others.

I have come here to say that I do not recognize anyone's right to one minute of my life.... It had to be said. The world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrificing.

To say 'I love you' one must know first how to say the 'I.'

I am. I think. I will.

And now I see the face of god, and I raise this god over the earth, this god whom men have sought since men came into being, this god who will grant them joy and peace and pride. This god, this one word: 'I.'

There is nothing to take a man's freedom away from him, save other men. To be free, a man must be free of his brothers.

The highest thing in a man is not his god. It's that in him which knows the reverence due a god. You are my heighest reverence.

America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to the common good, but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages, and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.

Businessmen are the one group that distinguishes capitalism and the American way of life from the totalitarian statism that is swallowing the rest of the world. All the other social groups- workers, farmers, professional men, scientists, soldiers- exist under dictatorships, even though they exist in chains, in terror, in misery, and in progressive self-destruction. But there is no such group as businessmen under a dictatorship. Their place is taken by armed thugs: by bureaucrats and commissars. Businessmen are the symbol of a free society- the symbol of America.

Thanksgiving is a typically American holiday... The lavish meal is a symbol of the fact that abundant consumption is the result and reward of production.

I am not primarily an advocate of capitalism, but of egoism; and I am not primarily an advocate of egoism, but of reason. If one recognizes the supremacy of reason and applies it consistently, all the rest follows.

[SidneyCarton]

22. Is there any hardcore RWer who actually cares what Jesus would think?

This has never been about Christ, it's been about power, the power to exercise authority over other individuals. In the case of the rich, it's been about having the absolute power over a slavish congregation of former "citizens" for the footsoldiers, it's been about feeling power that they don't have, by being justified in acting "holier than thou."

The Man of Galilee has nothing to do with this but his name.

[Jakes Progress]

23. They do not believe in Jesus.

Religion is just a campaign trick for them. No person who ever professed to follow the tenets of Christianity would even start to balk at universal health care.

They lie to the stupid. The stupid believe them. It is their only strategy.

[stopbush]

24. I give them points for not believing in Jesus.

Neither do I. Neither do I buy the sanitized version of gentle Jesus, meek and mild that so many people buy hook, line and sinker.

Read what Jesus actually said and meant. He was a fucking putz. I take that back. The authors who created the fictional character of Jesus created a fucking putz.

[RandomKoolzip]

25. Why should anyone care what kind of 21st century legislation an ancient fictional character wanted?

:shrug:

[Honeycombe8]

26. Hmmm. I'm not sure. Why do you think Jesus WOULD want universal care by the govt?

I'm in favor of it, so don't get me wrong. But I don't really know what Jesus would think of it.

Is it that ol' maxim that says...whatever you want the Bible to say, you can find some support for it in the Bible somewhere?

Jesus DID say something like, "the poor will always be with us." The Repubs believe the poor should be helped, but only through charity, not the govt.

[Teaser]

27. honestly, Jesus wouldn't even understand the concept

.

[old mark]

29. GOPJesus: God Bless the Child That's Got His Own.....

You must not be familiar with the "Gospel of Prosperity" - Whom god loves, he makes rich...those poor people are bad and god wants them to learn from their misery. If they die because of no healthcare, it is god's will, after all.

The Republican scum can justify anything-you will search in vain for logic and sense.

mark

[Joe Bacon]

37. If that is true, God must really love Bill Gates

:evilgrin:

[quaker bill]

30. yes

they feel it should come through the charitable efforts of the church and its members. They do not want the "government" to absolve the individual of responsibility for moral action. They somehow see "government" as an alien outside force rather than the expression of the collective will.

It is a horrible misreading of the Bible. The Bible, in particular the old testament, which they only go to for partial misreading of Mosaic Law, is just loaded up with references to community failures of "God's chosen people" and the punishment dealt out over it. Even the tale of "Sodom and Gomorrah" is less a statement of individual immorality and more a parable on the failure of government and community to live in good order. Judgement was collective upon the entire community. Repeatedly the Jews get tossed into slavery or the desert for their failures as a community in a very collective judgement fashion. Republicans pass on all this stuff.

There is very little basis in the document for substitutional atonement being sufficient.

[WinkyDink]

31. Republicans exploit Jesus; they don't believe in Him.

[Vinca]

33. Republican Jesus "don't care about no stinkin' poor and needy."

Republican Jesus gives stock tips and guidance in making up stories about marital infidelities.

[Engineer4Obama]

36. Read up on the Family stuff

Many of republican leadership is part of a cult.

[quantass]

39. Didnt you get the Memo -- Repubs are allowed to be Hypocrits ..nt

[quantass]

40. It's time to abolish religion since everyone tends to use/misuse it to

their benefit (usual financial) and nothing more. Personally i feel the only truely honest people in this world tend to be atheists because they are genuinely truthful about their positions and their actions aren't because of selfish reasons...case in point:

Religious people tend to only be so because of a selfish need to want to get into heaven....or as my brother would like to say: :Fear of going to hell". if there wasnt that incentive/fear there might be a higher case of raping and pilleging by religious folks....Lets never forget that most crimes are caused by religious people.