What's the problem with Van Jones quitting?

[DrToast]

I freely admit that I don't know much about this guy. What I heard was that he was a truther back in the day. If that is true, I don't really have a problem with him being asked to step down. Look how much shit we give the birthers.

If there's something I'm missing, please feel free to comment. I admit that I don't know much about this guy.

[polichick]

1. imo it will embolden the creeps on the other side even further...

Dems cave when they need to stand up to the ignorant bullies.

[no_hypocrisy]

7. David Sirota's opinion piece on Salon that discusses your premise.

http://open.salon.com/blog/david_sirota/2009/09/06/taking_the_movement_out_of_the_obama_white_house

Second, Jones being forced out will not mollify the racists, crazies, tea baggers, Republican congresspeople and other assorted conservative freakshows - it will only embolden them. When lynch mobs in the Old South lynched someone, when a witchhunting band caught a target in Salem, when HUAC "proved" the supposed communism of its victims, that didn't calm them down - it only intensified their bloodlust because it made them believe they could be even more successful in the future. So if the White House's political "gurus" believe booting Jones was the safe and prudent way to mitigate right-wing hatred, then they are as short-sighted and stupid as they've proven themselves to be in mismanaging the summer's health care debate. Seriously, folks - if you think you can appease or mollify someone who takes to the public airwaves and does this, then you are as crazy as that screaming lunatic is.

[polichick]

9. Thanks - I couldn't agree more! nt

[MrMickeysMom]

26. Agreed...

That makes the entire point.

We're wasting time playing this game with these Republicans and the poor stupid bastards who are screaming lemmings. Personally, they're about to be as fucked as we are unless we put a stop to it.

[MrMickeysMom]

27. dupe

[inna]

52. excellent link, thank you.

i had no idea what or whom the OP was referring to until i read your link.

[wroberts189]

2. He should not have quit. Thats the problem. nt

[quantass]

3. Exactly! nt

[wroberts189]

4. Thank you. :) nt

[DrToast]

5. No problem with him being a truther?

It seems like he's gotta be at least a little loopy.

[kenny blankenship]

19. He signed a petition that asked a bunch of questions about the performance of the * admin on 9/11

I was a little late to this story and had never heard of this guy before, but apparently that's all he did to make him a "truther". One petition. that's all they have on him.

Labeling him a Commie Symp or a 5th Columnist or a Truther and forcing him to resign over signing one petition with a bunch of questions, even a petition with a bunch of whacky questions circulated by a "Truther" organization, is wrong. Going along with it is a weak willed, automatic capitulation to guilt-by-association tactics from the Right. (They got a label for that too, it's called McCarthyism)

If he can be hounded from office for signing one petition from a "fringe" group - a petition of questions not statements, mind you - then YOU too can never hold a government office because you post here at DU. Not only do Truthers post all over this site, but they have their own special forum (wink) Would you like to live by those rules?

[wroberts189]

47. I would have signed the same. nt

[inna]

53. why?

?

[MadMaddie]

68. Perhaps I don't buy into all of the conspiricies

but with all of the revelations about the prior administration I don't see the problem with asking the question was the 9/11 commission hasty about it's conclusions. There are way to many inconsistancies to just say let's trust the * administration and what they put forth as the truth. Yes, I would say it about a Dem President too if there were unclear answers.

My big concern is we have the best military in the world, we had an FBI agent Crowly who warned about middle-eastern men wanting to take flying lessons and only wanting to know how to take off and fly. They weren't
interested in landing, lo and behold Crowly gets ignorned conveniently.

You know we mock * response to the attacks while he was reading "My pet duck", but the more I look at the footage there is not a glimmer of surprise in his eyes, there is no determination in his eyes or a change in the way he is sitting, it's almost as if he already knew.

In a Democracy it is not a crime to ask questions of the government no matter who is in charge.

[sandnsea]

6. He's the founder of Color of Change

They went after him because Color of Change was fighting Glenn Beck's racism. Van Jones said a few comments about right wing climate change denial, nothing more inflammatory than anything Howard Dean has said. And he signed a 9/11 investigation petition. Nothing to resign over.

[Turborama]

40. Exactly!

And now, feeling emboldened defendglenn.com have got Color of Change in their sights: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6478861#6482456

We need to find out who this "John Hill" is. Despite their disclaimer at the bottom http://www.defendglenn.com/">of this page, I have a deep suspicion that he's directly linked to Faux news if not BecKKK himself.

[sandnsea]

43. They're going after the Apollo Alliance!!!

"Van Jones, founder of "Color of Change", a black militant political activist group, worked as a co-founder and director of the Apollo Alliance, which Glenn Beck recently exposed for its questionable ties to radical left-wing groups. Van Jones worked at Apollo with Jeff Jones. Jeff Jones was a leading co-founder (along with Bill Ayers) of the terrorist group Weather Undergound , who spent time on the run from law enforcement agencies while his group carried out a series of bombings of U.S. government buildings. "Color of Change" began the boycott against Glenn Beck after Beck exposed Apollo Alliance and Van Jones' militant past."

[Turborama]

58. I'm getting a strong feeling that big coal/oil are involved in this

What Does The Fox News Channel Have Against Green Jobs?

July 31, 2009
By admin and admin
Apollo News Service

This week, the Apollo Alliance and our allies had a run-in with Fox News talk-show host Glenn Beck. For those of you who aren’t familiar with him, Beck is a conservative commentator who specializes in ranting against the Obama administration, labor unions and progressive causes in general.

Perhaps taking a cue from conservatives in Congress and their elaborate health-care flip charts, Beck did a segment on the Apollo Alliance this Tuesday, during which he mapped out on a dry-erase board Apollo’s organizational structure, which he referred to as “the vast left-wing conspiracy.”

Frankly, we genuinely appreciated the attention Beck gave us on national television. He even credited us for helping design the economic stimulus package! (Many of the proposals from the Apollo Economic Recovery Act we released in December 2008 were incorporated into the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act enacted in February, including a two-year “down-payment” of more than $100 million for green-collar job creation.)

But our influence on the economic stimulus package was one of the only things that Beck and his guest, Phil Kerpen of Americans For Prosperity, got right. And that’s too bad for Fox News Channel viewers, because we think if Beck had given his viewers an accurate portrait of Apollo and what we stand for, many of them would agree with our message. To set the record straight, here are some of Beck’s false claims, followed by the truth: http://apolloalliance.org/apollo-productions/weekly-updates/what-does-the-fox-news-channel-have-against-green-jobs/

[Beaverhausen]

55. defendglenn is affiliated with the United States Justice Foundation

executive director here

http://usjf.net/?page_id=1191

Gary Kreep - really!

website here
http://usjf.net/

I found these links when I went to the "donation" page on Defend Glenn

[sandnsea]

66. Look at the CharityNavigator income report

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=11009&print=1

JFC. Who the hell is behind this? $144,000 income?? Man oh man.

[Turborama]

67. Really good Think Progress report on Kreeps' involvement, here....

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/29/beck-defense-site/">Radical ‘Birther’ Kreep Launches DefendGlenn.Com

We need to send everything we find in to Keith, he's asking for our help: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6479255">Keith Olbermann:SEND Me Everything You Can Find About Glenn Beck

[IndianaGreen]

8. Your question alone shows how much ignorance our side has on what is at play here

There are some good responses on this thread already, such as Color of Change.

BTW, it is McCarthyism to go after people for signing petitions.

[SpartanDem]

13. So if the next republican president appoints somone who once singed a birther petition

you're going to be perfectly OK with it? It's just a petition there are far bigger problems, right?

[DrToast]

16. Or a petition to not have Obama give a speech to kids. Would that be okay?

[MrMickeysMom]

10. A truther...? A truther about what?

I don't get this "label" and what it's really supposed to mean. I've been accused of being "one" for questioning what happened on 9/11, too.

Most Americans still question 9/11 as I do... for whatever reason, it doesn't matter why. Amazing what a few questions about this and other atrocities of our time will do to raise the hair on the back of some people's head. I've asked for a real 9/11 commission, not one that's cherry picked, not a report that fraught with omissions. Sounds like this guy agreed at one time by placing his signature on a petition.

So he signed a petition asking many of the same questions people here are interested in understanding. By definition he's referred to in the pejorative and that means... ah, exactly what? Your reaction not only makes no sense, it demonstrates a lemmings-like reactionary response. We're to ask "how high?" when no count, right wing mouth breathers say, "Jump!"

You're right, you don't know much about this guy and I'd say you don't know much about "truthers", either

[IndianaGreen]

11. Point in fact, Bush ignored warnings that bin Laden was going to attack US

Being hounded out for signing a petition about anything is nothing but McCarthyism. Who among us have not signed a petition of some sort througout our lives?

[msans]

14. you cn't give them an inch

they had a doctor asasinated, through tv

and they're free,

their goal is to have obama murdered

that's the truth

[MrMickeysMom]

24. So, are you saying you can't ever sign a petition?

Christ, have we come to that?

BTW, Welcome to DU

[DrToast]

15. Let's see what he signed

In 2004, Jones was one of "100 notable Americans" who signed a "911 Truth Statement" from 911Truth.org. The statement among other things called (referring to the George W. Bush administration) "for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."On September 3, 2009, after widespread criticism, Jones issued a statement, "I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever."

So if you would have signed that, I would think you have some problems, too.

By the way, it sounds like he now also thinks his views aren't acceptable either otherwise he wouldn't have backtracked from them.

[IndianaGreen]

18. It is McCarthyism to go after people for signing petitions

Too many DUers, like many Americans, are blissfully ignorant of our own bloody history.

[MrMickeysMom]

25. There's not a Godamned thing wrong with what he signed...

and you, sir show a myopic viewpoint in search for meaning behind the entire 911 truth movement with all its unanswered questions.

It "sounds" like a lot of things, but truthfully neither you nor I understand his retraction after signing this statement.

None of this has to do with the objectives of one of the most important roles he was to have played to move this country toward a GREEN economy.

Any ideas of his ability to move us in that forward direction, or are you too stuck on your first point?

[RamboLiberal]

56. In 2004 I'd have signed that in a NY minute

And while I disagree with much of the 9-11 Truth movement allegations ala David Lee Griffin IMHO the official investigations of that day are sadly lacking and much of it is a lie by government officials and CYA whitewash.

What the Bush Admin & the neocons in government knew the summer of 2001 need to be investigated. They certainly did want their freakin' Iraq war and on their own PNAC website they admitted they neeeded an event like Pearl Harbor to accomplish that war.

[Raineyb]

64. Perhaps you should I don't know READ the bloody petition before deciding that whoever

signs it is some kind of nut. The text of the petition seems quite reasonable actually.

[DrToast]

21. 911truth.org

OUR MISSION

TO EXPOSE the official lies and cover-up surrounding the events of September 11th, 2001 in a way that inspires the people to overcome denial and understand the truth; namely, that elements within the US government and covert policy apparatus must have orchestrated or participated in the execution of the attacks for these to have happened in the way that they did.

So you're okay with that? Those are some pretty serious fucking accusations to be making.

[IndianaGreen]

23. What was the name of the briefing Bush got in May of 2001?

Something about bin Laden planning to attack US, was it not?

[MrMickeysMom]

30. Here, let's complete the entire Mission Statement

TO PROMOTE, and in part to provide, the best in investigative reporting, scholarly research and public education regarding the suppressed realities of September 11th, its aftermath and exploitation for political ends, the toxic air cover-up, and the anthrax attacks; mindful always of standards of fact and logic, the limits of what we know in the absence of official investigative powers, and the dangers of rumor and unconfirmed or false claims.

TO ORGANIZE and network grassroots communities promoting truth and reform; and to support their development with materials, coaching, conference calls, working retreats, and other tools to enhance the people's democratic powers; and to promote global grassroots cooperation to halt corporatist crimes, abuse and dominion worldwide.

TO SEEK justice and redress for those wronged on September 11th, or as a result of the events, beginning with complete disclosure of all records and evidence; reversal of all domestic and foreign policies following from the false premises of the official story; and full accountability for any and all individuals inside and outside the US government involved in the attacks who engaged in crimes of commission, facilitation, complicity, gross negligence, cover-up or obstruction of justice after the fact.

TO ADVANCE the insight that ending a world in which 9/11-type and other "synthetic" events dictate the agenda requires the fall of the present US and global system of warfare and fraud, of secret government and hidden economics, of power concentrated in the hands of the vanishingly few; the rebirth of constitutional, open and accountable republican institutions with absolute protection for the natural rights and liberties of human beings; the rise of popular sovereignty over polity and economy; and commitment to the purposes of truth and justice, freedom and equality, peace and solidarity among human beings of all lands, and security and a sustainable living for all; cognizant that the tensions inherent among these purposes are to be addressed and resolved only in an open and peaceful fashion by a sovereign, educated and fully informed people who always hold truth first.

TO END, by way of integrity and god-given creativity, the regime and illicit power structures responsible for 9/11 and to replace the system that made 9/11 necessary. We solicit collaboration with others who are committed to achieving these goals by way of peaceful transformation.

Funny thing, peaceful transformation doesn't seem to be the way of tea baggers birthers and all these disturbed persons mouth breathing out there. To profess that something is wrong and then have evidence and timetables of events that point to OMISSIONS with truth as the objective, has implied, and rightfully so, that there was suppression of explaining what happened. Do you want to say that there was no suppression of the explanation of what happened, DrToast?

[RamboLiberal]

44. By your stupid logic then all in government should support

the official line on JFK and MLK assasinations. Yet they were investigated by Congress.

The government's actions in Waco were also re-investigated pushed by the "conspiracies" against Clinton Admin & Janet Reno by RW'ers in congress & punditry.

Why the hell is it wrong for Van Jones to not have completely bought the official government line on 9-11, especially since it was the official line of the Bush Admin? And you can't tell me that the investigation by Congress and the 9-11 commission wasn't something of a whitewash.

Good lord, the report that came out of Congress looks like an ad for Big Black Sharpies.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Van Jones is a good man, a fighter for justice and nobody's fool

I myself think he's well out of that den of whatnot called Washington. He's needed elsewhere.

[msans]

17. guys

if obama's family is hurt they will blame secret service,

and make a case for why govt sucks

[MrMickeysMom]

34. huh?

Who is "they"?

And what does this have to do with making any case for "why govt sucks"?

Personally, I think government "sucks" when its people stop demanding it stand up to its role for "them"!

[RamboLiberal]

20. And how many of the Congress Critters & Other Repuke

"birthers" who are officials have resigned? They have almost bordered on being traitorous & walk a thin line on suggesting the President should be murdered, yet not a damn one that I remember has resigned.

[DrToast]

22. And how much shit do they get on this board?

[5X]

28. you got a problem with that? n/t

[DrToast]

29. No, I don't

But apparently I'm one of few that isn't okay with double standards.

[RamboLiberal]

31. Van Jones should have resigned for being a "truther"

When every damn Repuke congress person or official who hinted that Obama is illegit or who have supported he's a secret communist or who spread filthy lies resigns.

[DrToast]

32. Is it okay to kill your ex wife because OJ never got convicted?

[HopeOverFear]

33. LMAO

touche, Dr.

[MrMickeysMom]

36. Failed and illogical comparison...

try again.

[RamboLiberal]

37. Van Jones committed no damn crime

A good part of America supports some conspiracy theory on 9-11. And that day was never investigated as it should have been. And while I do not support nor do I suspect Van Jones supported the more out there "truther" theories about 9-11 there are sure a lot of unanswered questions about that day and the suspicion that either a lot of people in the damn government was highly incompetent or that were a contigion that LIHOP to get their damn war on Iraq and "Islamo-Facism". Bush, Cheney and that bunch of neocons certainly saw getting a war as a way to ensure their power for years to come.

Should any government official who questions the Warren Commission be forced to resign? After all Congress re-investigated the JFK assasination. Also the RW forced Congress to go back over Waco & Ruby Ridge.

BTW, there's a book coming out this week by a 9-11 commission investigator which says the government lied about many aspects of 9-11.

Make no mistake, Farmer is not saying that 9/11 was an inside job, however, Farmer’s testimony, along with that of his fellow 9/11 Commission members, conclusively demonstrates that, whatever really happened on 9/11, the official story as told to the public on the day and that which remains the authorities’ version of events today, is a lie – according to the very people who were tasked by the government to investigate it. This is a fact that no debunker or government apologist can ever legitimately deny.

http://joerobertson.com/newstome/security/john-farmers-book-the-ground-truth-the-story-behind-america%E2%80%99s-defense-on-911

[DrToast]

42. Way to miss the point

The point is you shouldn't judge whether or not something is right or wrong based on what other people do.

[RamboLiberal]

45. Your analogy is stupid

and I'm not wasting further time on your stupid argument. I'd say you're in the minority on DU and among most liberals. I'm fucking tired of Dems caving and doing the "noble/right" thing on issues like this.

I'll hand this to Repukes - they are by far the better knife fighters.

Name me the last Repuke who resigned for saying something like this?

[Clio the Leo]

35. Barack Obama is simply not going to associate his administration ....

.... with someone who as OPENLY bashing Republicans. ...... Like it or not, that's how he is. He stays above the partisan fray .... and having one of his czars calling Republicans ass holes ..... even if it was a month before he joined, simply wasn't going to fly.

[dflprincess]

38. If there's one thing Obama should learn from the Clinton

it's that you can never, ever pacify the right wing. They'll take this resignation as a victory for the Reich in exile and evidence that Obama is weak as they set their sites on the next person they want ousted.

[Clio the Leo]

49. Do you REALLY think he did this to pacify the right?

He did it because HE wanted to.

I am trying REALLY hard to not say, "that's just how he rolls" but .... "that's just how he rolls." lol

It has nothing to do with placating anyone and everything to do with how he wants his admin to come across. Stay ABOVE the fray.

[MrMickeysMom]

39. That's funny...

I'm pretty sure this is why Obama hasn't exactly won over the people recently who worked their asses off to put him in office.

I'm pretty sure the response of, "this country doesn't like gloves" is a bad one to take when you know deep down that it was because of your ability to "take the gloves off" that you WON your campaign.

You'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind to think there is any Republican who can work with him to do what he needs to in healthcare and for getting the hell out of the illegal wars we're in.

THEREFORE... the way you stay ABOVE the partisan fray it not to keep jumping through hoops that are held over hell, and to which you CAN NEVER JUMP THROUGH.

GET IT?

[Hippo_Tron]

41. At the end of the day, it's an embarrassment to the President and a distraction from health care

In a world without 24 hour news cycles I see no reason for him to resign. In a world with 24 hour news cycles, sometimes you take one for the team and quit because of stupid things that the media will harp on if you don't.

[RamboLiberal]

48. Today it's Van Jones - next week the Repukes will find a new

target. It will never end till Dems grow a spine and tell the Repukes "We won the fucking election - go to hell - we're going to pass our agenda, it's what Our Supporters demand!"

[Hippo_Tron]

51. Who in the Obama Administration was generating this kind of negative press last week?

As much as your argument makes sense theoretically it doesn't in practice. There are certain things that the media harps on when you are a white house staffer and this is one of them. The right wing can't just generate controversy good enough for constant media coverage out of thin air week after week after week. They need at least something with which to base their attacks which is why if you work for the President, hopefully you don't have anything for them to use.

[RamboLiberal]

54. Obama himself was much of the target in past weeks

Look how they are smearing him with their crap of socialism, markism, etc. And how about how they targeted Sotomayor? Pelosi? During the primary endless loops of Rev Wright. During the election smearing him with the 40 year old past of William Ayers and also Acorn. Beck and the Repukes are already lining up the next targets.

In the midst of his paranoid fears (driven, I’m sure, by the fact that 57 advertisers bailed on his show), Beck appears to be feeling a little re-energized right about now with his Jones coup, ‘cause he’s already got a new lineup of attack victims. (Let’s face it, his big, breaking ACORN investigation story, driven primarily by Beck and Bill O’Reilly, went nowhere fast.) Enter Van Jones, and his organization, Apollo Alliance. Jones became Beck and O’Reilly’s new Bill Ayers, and Apollo Alliance their new ACORN.

ACORN is still in business, helping impoverished communities. Van Jones, on the other hand, is going to have to do his green thing elsewhere. Beck shouldn’t really break his arm patting himself on the back, though – even left-wing loons like me could see that Jones was an easy target.

So who are Beck’s newest targets? According to the Washington Independent, “Glenn Beck's Twitter feed has become a must-read. In a message from last night, Beck told his followers to ‘FIND EVERYTHING YOU CAN ON CASS SUNSTEIN, MARK LLOYD AND CAROL BROWNER.’” You might be asking who these people are. Cass Sunstein is the nominee to head the office of Information and Regulatory Affairs for the Obama Administration; Mark Lloyd is the Associate General Counsel and Chief Diversity Officer of the FCC; and Carol Browner is the Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change. They’re all in Beck’s crosshairs.

Why are these people the chosen ones? Well, given Beck’s paranoia about government control, his mission to take down Sunstein could be based in part on Sunstein’s “notice and takedown law” and his desire to prevent falsehoods from being posted on the internet. Maybe Beck is really, really concerned that internet websites wouldn’t be able to lie any more. If that happened, Beck’s own website, as well as Fox Nation, would be blank screens.


http://www.examiner.com/x-7109-Chicago-Law-and-Politics-Examiner~y2009m9d6-Glenn-Beck-already-has-a-new-Obama-Administration-hit-list

Van Jones gave Beck & the Looneys a Big Ass Victory!

[Hippo_Tron]

57. The President is always going to be a target no matter what

When somebody who works for him is a target it's a distraction that is easily correctable by having that person resign. When these people agree to work in the administration they understand that they are signing up to serve the President, not themselves. And if that means that they get "thrown under the bus" (for lack of a better phrase) for the President then that's that.

[RamboLiberal]

60. And at some point you have to stand up and endure the friggin'

distraction till the 24/7 news media moves on. Van Jones didn't even wait to be a distraction or see how this would play out - hell it wasn't so far much of a story beyond Faux and DU. Instead of telling the RW and the media to stick it up their ass Van Jones and the Obama administration caved again.

Obama is getting the rep with Repukes that he is an indeed weak president who can be forced to cave.

And we are going to end up with after all this caving is a very poor health care bill without a public option. And Obama will get blamed for the poor-ass bill he gets.

Obama so far has been no FDR!

[Hippo_Tron]

62. That's how it works

In politics you have to pick your battles and battling over Van Jones is stupid. The best way to beat Glenn Beck and the right wingers is to get health care passed, period. FDR didn't have a 24 hour news cycle so this is not even comparable.

[RamboLiberal]

65. Yeah but FDR probably had a helluva lot more citizens

paying attention to the news and what was happening in D.C. Maybe Van Jones would've been a stupid battle but Obama and the Dems damn well better stand up soon and fight. So far it's been nothing but losses all of August going into September. Repukes are smelling Dem blood.

Hell they won't even fight to investigate the torture and prosecute those like Yoo who are clearly war criminals.

[Clio the Leo]

50. Exactly......

.... the midnight Sunday news drop says it all. By Tuesday, it will be old news ...... to everyone NOT watching Fox. lol

[roody]

46. What is wrong with truth?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. The only problem is for the republicans.

It takes away their ammunition.

[RamboLiberal]

61. Problem is the RW punditry seems to manufacture endless

ammo for them. No shortage of ammo on their side. Instead of firing back Obama admin seems to be doing too much duck & cover.

[RamboLiberal]

63. A lot of U.S citizens agree with Van Jones

The third major Zogby poll regarding 9/11 was conducted in August 2007. It was a telephone interview with a target of 1,000 interviews with randomly-selected adults from across the United States, consisting of 71 questions, with a 3.1 percent margin of error.

The results of the 2007 August poll indicate that 51% of Americans want Congress to probe Bush/Cheney regarding the 9/11 attacks and over 30% of those polled seek immediate impeachment. While only 32% seek immediate Bush and/or Cheney impeachment based on their personal knowledge, many citizens appear eager for clear exposure of the facts.

In addition, the poll also found that two-thirds (67%) of Americans say the 9/11 Commission should have investigated the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7. Only 4.8 percent of the respondents agreed that members of the United States government "actively planned or assisted some aspects of the attack."

(May 2006 poll)

"Some people believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up. Others say that the 9/11 Commission was a bi-partisan group of honest and well-respected people and that there is no reason they would want to cover-up anything. Who are you more likely to agree with?"

Responses: 48% No Cover-up / 42% Cover-up / 10% Not sure

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Newsweek Polls

"When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?"

May 2002 responses: 21% said "telling the truth", 65% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 8% said they are "mostly lying", 6% not sure.

3/30-4/1/04 CBS 24% said "telling the truth", 58% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 14% said they are "mostly lying", 4% not sure.

4/8/04 CBS 21% said "telling the truth", 66% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 10% said they are "mostly lying", 4% not sure.

4/23-27/04 24% said "telling the truth", 56% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 16% said they are "mostly lying", 4% not sure.

Oct 2006 responses: 16% said "telling the truth", 53% said they are "mostly telling the truth but hiding something", 28% said they are "mostly lying", 3% not sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_opinion_polls