***** LIVE SPEECH 9/9/09 THREAD 2 ********

[Beaverhausen]

Thread #1 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8639208

[BlooInBloo]

1. WHOA - calling the President a liar at a joint speech to Congress???

That guy needs to be gone.

[POAS]

5. who was that?

[BlooInBloo]

9. Don't know. Some dumbass yelled it out...

When Obama said his plan wouldn't cover illegal immigrants.

[treestar]

20. The illegal immigrant issue is the stupidest one of all

Illegal immigrants qualify for nothing - though they can pay taxes - that is a constant right wing meme of every program.

[baldguy]

10. An asshole Republican.

I know that doesn't narrow it down much, but...

[AspenRose]

17. Someone in the blogosphere will know before the evening's done

[BlooInBloo]

127. Joe Wilson....

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/9/9/779457/-The-Speech,-Wrap-up

[NYC_SKP]

8. I have put an industrail strength Hex right on him.

His ass will be covered with boils before he leaves the chambers.

:evilgrin:

[MichiganVote]

2. Required health ins.? With what money from the unemployed?

[NYC_SKP]

3. If I was God I would Smite those smug fat white grey haired bastards who wouldn't applaud.

:mad:

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[RayOfHope]

6. Yeah, I'm not real pleased about that at all. n/t

[mdmc]

7. who yelled out LIE?

anyone?

[treestar]

13. Screw that! It's not an issue here!

that would kill it for sure. Leave that one for another day. Geez.

[NYC_SKP]

16. You don't seriously think abortion funding would have a snowball's chance in hell in this, do you???

What planet, tell me?

Our congress would never ever go for that.

[katandmoon]

26. Under the Clinton administration -- federal employee health insurance covered abortion.

Clinton signed an executive order his first day in office.

Not under this chickenshit administration!

[NYC_SKP]

58. So, you're like a federal employee? How about Jane the manager, or Jill the mom.

What did Bill NAFTA sell out Clinton asshole do for them?


hmmmmmmmm?

[katandmoon]

81. Has Obama killed NAFTA when I wasn't looking?

[NYC_SKP]

108. I accept your apology, Clinton did not provide federally funded abortions for all.

No hard feelings.

:toast:

[StevieM]

130. Why do you feel the need to trash President Clinton so often on a Democratic message board?

For the record, a lot of those union people loved Bill Clinton and voted for Hillary.

Besides, Obama could renegotiate or abrogate NAFTA--he hasn't.

Steve

[high density]

18. yes let's kill it all for abortions

:crazy:

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[katandmoon]

38. Eat it yourself, it's all Obama feeds you.

[Hepburn]

48. We are getting fed shit right now....

...your point?

[mdmc]

PUBLIC OPTION!

[Arkana]

12. I chuckled a little when he dropped that in there.

[mdmc]

14. 5%!

[Sebastian Doyle]

First he says everyone would be REQUIRED to buy from the criminals, NOW he says "public option"

How the fuck can it be both? You are either forced to buy insurance or you are not.

[liberalpragmatist]

40. Because the House bill only has the public option open to those on the exchange

If you get insurance through work, you cannot, according to the House bill, buy any plan from the exchange, including the public option.

[geekgrrl]

11. PUBLIC OPTION!! holy crap!

[geekgrrl]

15. And jeez did the repugs look THRILLED when he said PO! they're ready to fight. we better be!

[mdmc]

23. hes talking to us

progressive friends

[polichick]

19. He said the public option would only be for those who don't have insurance. nt

[Uzybone]

32. thats not true

[polichick]

41. I hope it's not true, but he said it. nt

[Uzybone]

64. Well duh, why would you enter the PO if you have insurance you are happy with

why do so many people play dense?

[polichick]

70. Duh - my blue dog congressman wrote a letter to his constituents saying...

...that he and his family will be signing up for the po ~ lots of people planned to do that.

(Looks like you're not just "playing" dense.)

[Uzybone]

75. good for them, obviously they are not happy with what they have now

I'm not signing up for the PO because I like what I have.

[polichick]

79. As I just posted - guess you're not just "playing" dense. nt

[Uzybone]

85. you make no damn sense

[polichick]

89. You ARE dense if you don't get that a lot of patriotic Americans would...

...rather pay into the public option than into private insurance companies that rip us off.

[SWr]

100. I agree

If the PO isnt open to EVERYONE as an option then the bill's a scam.

The people who have insurance will still get shafted on sky high premiums.

[polichick]

105. Yeah, I really hope he mispoke. nt

[Uzybone]

124. The PO will be part of the exchange. The exchange is open to all

apart from those with employer coverage. We really need to listen and read instead of going with pre-conceived notions.


"Now, if you’re one of the tens of millions of Americans who don’t currently have health insurance, the second part of this plan will finally offer you quality, affordable choices. If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage. We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange – a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices.

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For those individuals and small businesses who still cannot afford the lower-priced insurance available in the exchange, we will provide tax credits, the size of which will be based on your need. And all insurance companies that want access to this new marketplace will have to abide by the consumer protections I already mentioned. This exchange will take effect in four years, which will give us time to do it right. In the meantime, for those Americans who can’t get insurance today because they have pre-existing medical conditions, we will immediately offer low-cost coverage that will protect you against financial ruin if you become seriously ill.

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But an additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange.

[Uzybone]

109. and nothing stops them from doing so

Did you hear anything that said the Public Option would be closed to "patriotic Americans"?

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[Uzybone]

119. nice.

[polichick]

121. Honest - your "patriotic" remark was idiotic. nt

[SWr]

88. uh....

Uh because I might be able to get the same coverage (or better) at a much LOWER premium?

[Uzybone]

106. then obviously you are not happy with what you have

if you can get a better deal elsewhere. it will be open for all.

[SWr]

122. and ...

Hartmann said today that the PO will not be available
if you get insurance from your work. So the profiteers will gouge us w/ institutional insurance because we're stuck with their "product"

[Sebastian Doyle]

44. But that was after he said you would be REQUIRED to buy insurance from the corporatists

So who, exactly, would the public option be for?

Public option cannot co exist with RomneyHillaryMcCainCare.

[polichick]

55. Yeah, it's not clear who would qualify for the po. nt

[SWr]

126. yep

Not clear at all ... what about the PO for those of us who have insurance but are getting

completely screwed with outrageous premiums?

[mvd]

128. I wanted to hear more about how expensive insurance is

Sounds like he still wants the PO, but I still have no idea how hard he will fight for it. Too much trying to keep everyone happy. But I do think a PO gets through after this speech.

[SWr]

131. then there was this ...

"Let me be clear – it would only be an option for those who don’t have insurance."

[msallied]

74. I think he said that it would be for certain people who are uninsured in the 4 years it will take

to get the exchange up and running.

[avaistheone1]

22. Come on Obama the public option should also enjoy public funding AND

everyone should have the freedom to opt in.

[Becky72]

24. Obama: The impact of the public option shouldn't be exaggerated n/t

[bushisanidiot]

25. Hey, you asshole repukes! The public Option is IN!

guess you have to find something else to bitch about now.

HAHAHAHAHA!

[Becky72]

27. Not so fast. He said we should be open to other ideas n/t

[high density]

35. give it up. public option is in, he's going for it obviously. NM

[Becky72]

43. He said we should be open to other ideas n/t

[high density]

50. He just sold the public option. give it up!

[Becky72]

59. He said the impact of the public option shouldnt be exaggerated by the left or the right

And that we should be open to other ideas.

Perhaps you went to the bathroom at that moment.

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[Arkana]

30. I knew it. Goddamnit, I KNEW it.

I knew there was a reason I voted for this guy.

[bushisanidiot]

73. Fuckin A!! And he's totally calling those repuke LIARS out.

how many people watching right now who sat out the last election, are gonna join team 'bama now?

I'm guessing, quite a few!

I don't know how anyone could argue against the ideas that he's proposing.

[high density]

28. what are those idiot pinheads holding up?

Hitler's Mein Kampf?

[baldguy]

29. Obama is failing.

He's asking the GOP to behave like adults. Never gonna happen.

[AspenRose]

52. He has to say stuff like that

I'm sure he's aware they're assholes.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

31. The Republicans are like a sea of frowny, white and gray.

[GOTV]

33. Whoa - awesome - He will NOT back down from a public alternative

[geekgrrl]

there it is right there. that picture of all those old white repugs sitting down for a hc CHOICE

[BlueIdaho]

34. Those fascist corporate bastards look fit to be tied...

[lib2DaBone]

36. We will provide you with a choice.... can't Repukes get behind anything?

[BlooInBloo]

37. "I will not back down on if you cannot find affordable health insurance, we will give you a choice!"

Approximate quote, but very close.

[Becky72]

45. T'hat could be an endorsement of the trigger or straight public option

Not bad.

[avaistheone1]

69. Not necessarily good either.

[mvd]

39. Speech has some great points, but needs to be stronger

"the left" does not equal "the right" on the scale.

[L. Coyote]

42. GD: *****OFFICIAL SPEECH THREAD 3****

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6504162

[brooklynite]

76. Lotta pasty White males in dark suits on the right side of the chamber...

[geekgrrl]

46. ohoh Canter's typing away on his blackberry!

[POAS]

56. Ordering up some adult diapers perhaps.

[Parker CA]

57. Tweeting: "Somehow I got a seat next to the only Oompa Loompa in Congress."

[AspenRose]

65. Probably sending messages to the guy who's going to give the GOP response

[Arkana]

47. Vicious left hook to the Republicans' gut!

[avaistheone1]

63. SCORE!!!

[BlooInBloo]

49. HAHAHAAHAAAA!!!!! PWNED REPUBLICANS ON SPENDING...

Iraq war, tax cuts for the rich.

[mvd]

53. Zing!

Loved that one.

[Parker CA]

51. Boner and Cantor look like sad little mf-ers. nt.

[DeeDeeNY]

54. Boehner looks sick. Cantor is too busy texting to bother to listen.

They don't like to be told they're the reason the economy is in such bad shape to begin with.

[Parker CA]

60. One thing I think we can agree on is that OBama is taking the gloves off and calling out GOP. nt

[L. Coyote]

83. SURPRISED,SURPRISED: Republicons are being outFOXed!

[L. Coyote]

99. ***** SPEECH THREAD 4 *****

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6504485

[DeschutesRiver]

61. Well, fwiw

I am just a old lady who doesn't think I'll ever see a president whom I admire more in my lifetime.

I might not agree with him on every point, but he is a fighter. Who isn't afraid of speaking his mind and taking on the tough stuff, from those within and those outside his party. There isn't anything worthwhile in life for which you don't have to fight.

[Parker CA]

72. No doubt about that. The gloves were left in the WH this evening before he drove to the Hill. He's

on fire and not dealing with the bullshit being peddled by these lying GOPiggies.

[GOTV]

62. Has the full speech been released yet?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

66. Hahahahahahaha! THey hated Medicare.

[mvd]

71. Yep, sitting down for that evil Medicare

:eyes:

[SemiCharmedQuark]

78. I've never seen the Republicans be worse.

[PopSixSquish]

68. "I Will Protect Medicare"

Suck it Teabaggers and Twits...

[Sebastian Doyle]

96. Wonder what Rahm and his brother think of that statement.

Zeke makes no secret of the fact that he wants to turn Medicare over to the corporatists.

[SWr]

77. sooooo ... public option

So the public option is only available to people who have NO insurance?

What about those of us who are being CRUSHED under our current premiums .. where is the price relief? What option are we left with? If the P.O. has the same or better coverage why cant I dump Blue Crosses azz and have the P.O.?

[msallied]

87. Um, what part of "PO is not the only part of reform" do you not understand?

It will get insurance to those who don't have it and make it cheaper for those of us who do. No spending caps, lower out of pocket expenses, etc.

[SWr]

91. ya ok

Ya and nothing about premiums .... my insurance premium is killing my paycheck.

I'll ask the question again .... WHY if the PO has a cheaper premium and the same coverage CANT I pick it up?

[janx]

129. I'm loving this.

:rofl:

[SWr]

132. laugh this off

"Let me be clear – it would only be an option for those who don’t have insurance."

[janx]

133. If you have it, enjoy it. If you don't, go with the public option.

I didn't mean to be rude, but there are some of us who are working overtime and who don't have access to insurance.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

80. HAHAHAHAHA! Less than the tax cuts!

[mdmc]

82. Yeah! A good George Bush Health Care Reform Idea!

[Parker CA]

84. "Less than the Iraq war and less than the tax cuts passed for the wealthiest 1% under last admin."

[avaistheone1]

86. Malpractice litigation contributes only 1% to health costs.

Just crumbs.

[scentopine]

117. Tort reform - the holy grail for corporations

They won't stop until only corporations have rights.

[avaistheone1]

90. WTF? $90 billion a year would cover single payer for everyone in the U.S.

Obama just go with single-payer.

Single-payer is only estimated to cost $65 billion a year.

[BlueIdaho]

93. I think its 90b over ten years?

[avaistheone1]

Let's get clarification on that.

Right now I believe we are spending $60 billion a year on Afghanistan.

[DeeDeeNY]

92. Vicki's fighting back tears

[travelingtypist]

95. So am I.

Wow.

[Dinger]

98. Oh God,I Saw That

How could anyone NOT support a public option (Kennedy Option) with his family there?

[brooklynite]

94. How is the Olympia Snowe watch going?

MSNBC feed has only had one shot...

[polichick]

102. I haven't seen her. nt

[Parker CA]

97. Pretty masterful F-ing speech. Speaking about Teddy in the end. He's pulling this off.

Calling out Hatch, McCain, and Grasshole as the three who have worked with Ted in the past. This is genius speech material right here.

[yeswecanandwedid]

101. He is pulling my heartstrings like mad. I love this guy. nt

[L. Coyote]

103. ***** OFFICIAL SPEECH THREAD 4 *****

GD: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6504485

[SemiCharmedQuark]

104. Great! Talking about Social Security and Medicare!

[avaistheone1]

111. Very very wise.

[avaistheone1]

107. We did not come here to fear the future, we came to shape it.

Score!!!!!!!!!!

[baldguy]

113. New GOP bumper sticker: "Fear The Future. Vote Republican."

[avaistheone1]

120. That would be a great one. Truly.

:toast:

[Parker CA]

114. Absolutely brilliant speech. Incredible. Now, to go hunt down the hollering GOPiggie. nt.

[AspenRose]

110. I saw Olympia standing just now

[yeswecanandwedid]

112. Nice job. nt

[EmeraldCityGrl]

116. We are in good hands. n/t

[RepublicanElephant]

118. crap, is brian williams and chuck todd doing the analysis?

where's keith and rachel?

[high density]

123. MSNBC...

[mvd]

125. My analysis

It was a good speech. He called out lies and was more specific about what he wants. Nice, passionate delivery. That said, I have some concerns -

1) The left is not like the right on the spectrum. The left has actually been right.
2) I still don't think he realizes the urgency of the public option
3) Could have been more specific on costs

I didn't come away feeling better about the public option.