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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:32 AM Original message |
We're repeating the Big Mistake of Clinton Health Care -- It's way too complicated |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. But, right now, there are competing Democratic plans. It's maddening. nt |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It is maddening.....And one of the reasons we are screwing the pooch |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
3. Computers are complicated |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Simplicity of use is the goal of computer products -- It ought to be the same for healthcare |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. So how do we convince the America people to accept HRC |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Keeping it simple |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Bingo! It must be really simple and it is not there yet |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. I can explain the Canadian, British, and Japanese plans in 5 sentences each |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
47. Even simpler. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. See? It IS easy |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. I've actually read through an executive summary of HR3200 |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. Its a complicated issue. There is a reason it hasn't been done in 60yrs |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. That's the cop-out that's been used for 60 years |
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IADEMO2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
6. So true Link: "The Great Health Care Debate of 1993-94 " |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. bookmarked for later. thanks. one of the most frustrating things |
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mwb970 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
7. But the issue *is* very complicated, isn't it? |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. The principles can be simple |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. But your car came with a manual that explains all that. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Insurance company contracts are simple? |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. I read mine and I understand it. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Yes, so they shouldn't be allowed to have a pre-existing condition clause |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Huzzah we agree! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. But in the Baucus bill, which bans pre-existing conditions |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I don't support the Baucus bill as is.nt |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #7 |
26. Yep flow charts can be complicated but helpful. |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
9. Sorry but Health Care is complicated. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. It doesn't have to be at all |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:06 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I just don't see it that way. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. It may require more, but it doesn't need a 1000 page abortion of a bill |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #16 |
36. And Conyers' bill is 13 pages, much of which is the boilerplate |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
57. The CHA establishes a few general standards |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Not if you continue giving away the store to people who don't want to agree with you |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Bingo! |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Getting really tired of all the fail pushers. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Yes, we are also tired of the Congressional Democrats |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. The "fail; pushers" are the so-called leaders who sell out ;principles |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Yes fail pushers. Don't like it stop being one.nt |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Do you have anything to say except calling people names? |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. I don't like my insurance company I want the public option. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Sure we can start over from scratch |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Would you switch to a private company in the future, |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. If that were the case, which is unlikely, since I can't imagine UPS |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. You'll never convince ideologues that actual policy is complicated |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:32 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Bullshit |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. I can't see that the Blue Dogs HAVE any principles |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. Centrism.... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
12. they are building in the fatal flaws of reform by making them so complicated. |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
14. Yep. They are complicating it to death |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
15. That's what I've been saying all along! |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
30. ANSWER: Simple, Single payer. /nt |
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Marsala (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
54. Single payer is a simple concept but setting up the system would be incredibly complicated |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Not really. HR676. Not as complicated as a bunch of insurance co.s./nt |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Right, anyone who thinks that HR3200 HAS TO be complicated |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
32. knr - too complicated and Clinton also took single-payer off the table n/t |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 11:45 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Which is why we're in the mess we're in |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. Exactly...but we'll turn around and blame Repubs and Blue Dogs... |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-18-09 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
51. K&R |
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