CNN BREAKING: 2 separate terrorists plots disrupted at time of "detonation"

[Phx_Dem]

Holy shit. These two terrorists were separate from each other and sepate from the Denver/NY plot

One was in Dallas. The guy parked a bomb-loaded truck in front of a 60(?)-story building in Dallas, hopped into another car with his terrorist partner and pulled out his cell phone to detonate the truck bomb. Fortunately, the "terrorist partner" was an undercover FBI agent who had filled the "bomb" with non-explosive materials.

The next guy was in Illinios, I believe. I didn't catch the details but it was the scame scenario. Pulled a truck bomb up to a building, hopped into his "partner's" car and attempted to detonate with his cell phone. Again, undercover FBI agent was the partner and the bomb was replaced with non-explosives.

I'd say the FBI deserves HUGE KUDOS. And big thanks from a grateful nation!

One of the guys (I think the Dallas one) was an illegal muslim guy. Just broke so no details yet on CNN's website.

Wonder how the nutjobs in Texas feel about their anti-government hatemongering now? The big bad government just saved a shitload of people from a 60-story pile of rubble.

[gateley]

1. Wow - I DO extend kudos to the FBI! And my thanks as well! Thanks for the post! nt

[L. Coyote]

50. In the sting cases, the men allegedly attempted to plant inert bombs supplied by the FBI.

That a quote from the article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125384394933639863.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Yeah, thank the FBI for supplying people with bombs --- that don't blow up.
Of course, if they didn't have bombs in the first place, nothing would blow up either!

Why is the FBI supplying bombs?

[democrat2thecore]

2. Same as earlier one in Springfiled, Il

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125384394933639863.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[Phx_Dem]

3. Thanks for that!

[DrToast]

5. It's still scary, but it doesn't sound as bad in that article

While these guys may have wanted to cause harm, it doesn't sound like they had the means to do so on their own.

[Rabrrrrrr]

4. Whew! Beyond Whew! Fuck, I don't even know what to say. Thank God for 'em!

Though I'm sure that tomorrow Glenn Beck will be talking about how, Thank God, there are a few in the FBI still loyal to George W. Bush.

[Phx_Dem]

6. Oh, one more significant point

FUCK YOU DICK CHENEY! And all your bullshit about how the Obama Adminstration is making us less safe.

Go fuck yourself you tired, crazy, bitter old man.

It was just about this time 8 years ago when you FAILED to protect your country after receiving a dire warning about an imminent attack, so spare us your empty criticism, you vile piece of shit.

[Jennicut]

8. Yup. All this talk and they failed 8 years ago.

And the FBI did a great job here.

[iceman66]

12. +1000!!!

[KittyWampus]

31. Awesome post! Thanks for hurling some well-earned epithets at Cheney. I'm to numb

to bother.

[treestar]

33. Bravo!

Cheney cannot be called a vile piece of shit often enough!

[Drunken Irishman]

7. BUT OBAMA AIN'T KEEPIN US SAFE!!!!

[soccermomforobama]

9. The guy in the Dallas incident lived in Italy, Texas

(a very small town). He was from Jordan and in the US illegally.

Huge kudos to the FBI!!!

[bmbmd]

34. And he worked at that place

on I35 that sells all that wonderful jerky.

[MadBadger]

10. Couldnt be that serious...Just turned on CNN and the headline is: Bathtime Photos Not Child Porn.

Thanks for the info though

[man4allcats]

52. Although when you think about it, if such interventions had occurred

when Idiot Son was in office, the MSM would have been all over it hailing the Commander In Chief for successfully protecting us from the "terrists."

[laconicsax]

11. And were either of these ticking-bomb incidents stopped through the use of torture?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

28. The real question is

do the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan inspire these folks to act this way to begin with?
We've killed an awful lot of innocent "collateral" in both countries. We unfortunately give them reasons to strike back.

[badgerpup]

37. Just what I was wondering...

...or perhaps the bad guys were waterboarded or ballshocked into taking the undercover FBI agents as their partners? :sarcasm:

edit for (hopefully) clarity

[laconicsax]

47. Maybe the undercover FBI agents were tortured for information.

:shrug:

[Arkana]

13. Holy fuck.

Looks like we got a group of guys in DC that know what they're doing. Refreshing.

[DRoseDARs]

14. And just HOW many childrens' testicles did the FBI have to crush? ...that's right, none. nt

[scheming daemons]

15. President Obama.... keeping us safe

at least 2 weeks longer than Bush did in his first year.

[democracy1st]

16. Links ?

[vaberella]

18. The OP did state it was *Breaking News* on CNN. n/t

[Phx_Dem]

20. WSJ

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125384394933639863.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[City Lights]

23. Here:

Springfield, IL plot.

Dallas, TX plot.

[boppers]

17. I was totally surprised by the "news drop".

A whole lot of data about ongoing cases, all at once.

Fibbies don't normally work that way.

[LuckyLib]

38. And how coincidental that in both cases the undercover FBI guys were slated to be the drivers

or partner and loaded the bombs. How convenient. I require more detail on this one. Smells funny.

[Downwinder]

40. Law Enforcement is skeptical of coincidents,

shouldn't we be also?

[Flabbergasted]

19. Thank God....And I hope none get through. nt

[Indenturedebtor]

21. Wait... you mean law enforcement was able to stop terrorists?

No electrocution or simulated drowning necessary?

WTG FBI!

[yellowcanine]

22. Wait - Cheney said we had to waterboard people to stop terrorism.

Someone must have gotten waterboarded.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

24. Somebody DID get waterboarded earlier

and that person would be Cheney, his torture was not with water tho but with the truth

[lunatica]

25. This is chilling

[Beetwasher]

26. This Is Amazing, And It's NOT Being Politically Exploited!

Even more amazing.

If Bush were still President, the Corp. Media would be blasting this story non-stop and hailing Bush the anti-terror hero.

[central scrutinizer]

27. note of caution

Remember how the FBI used agents provocateurs to get arrests in 1960s in SDS and Black Panther cases. Would these plotters have gotten as far as they did or chosen such high value targets without the "help" of their "terrorist partners"? I am sure that the more serious and dramatic the target, the more glory that accrues to the FBI agent who pulls them in. Perhaps the terrorists might have tried some far less ambitious attack on their own and possibly pulled it off, so it is definitely good that these guys are off the street.

[moodforaday]

35. Too late!

Too late. Everyone is already groveling to the law enforcement because they got saved from the Al Qaeda boogeyman.

While at the same time Pittsburgh police or some military-looking force is shoving protesters into unmarked cars, and using sonic weapon (which can make you permanently deaf) to disperse people:

http://rawstory.com/2009/09/video-appears-to-show-us-troops-kidnapping-protester/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2009/sep/25/sonic-cannon-g20-pittsburgh

Just another opportune timing for the great cause of population control.

[uncle ray]

29. would there have been any plot without the feds involved?

just because the guard changed i'm not going to give up my healthy skepticism. we've been here before, tomorrow we'll find out the agents supplied all the materials and much of the motivation.

[BREMPRO]

43. my thoughts exactly. I'm alway suspicious of sting operations that are setups and not

actual infiltrations into terror groups that were planning on their own. that said, troubling that it seems easy to find people willing to go along with mass terror plots. I'll wait to hear the details to see if these were just losers targeted and bribed to make the FBI look good, or credible threats.

[DearAbby]

30. Amazing job FBI...you have our thanks and appreciation

[Mz Pip]

32. Score 2 for the Obama Adminsitration

and a big fuck you to Dick Cheney who keeps yammering that we are all at risk with Obama at the helm.

[lumberjack_jeff]

36. Ummmm... you called him an "illegal".

HE'S A HUMAN BEING!!!

Added :sarcasm: 'cuz you never know.

[Fearless]

39. But but but... torture.... but but but...

:eyes:

[Amonester]

41. Imagine the retardlican nutjobs who don't want any 'federal' gov.

in their pathetic lives...

Hey, freeptards: the FEDERAL BUREAU of INVESTIGATION saved many of your stupid a**es there, and WITHOUT TORTURING ANYONE.

I am not delusional though: I KNOW you WILL find another way to WHINE about anything FED again.

Yep. PRESIDENT Obama kept us safe LONGER than bush: now go cry at freeptardville.

[Crosseyed Jesus]

42. Acts Of Contrition?

Interesting how the FBI has come to our rescue using their standard infiltrating techniques. Makes you wonder what happened to those standards before 9/11?

[Seldona]

44. I bet they didn't torture anyone to stop the plots either.

Agreed on the kudos for the FBI.

[santamargarita]

45. Good police work and we didn't have to bomb Mexico...

like that little sonuvabitch George Bush would do.

[LadyHawkAZ]

46. And how many waterboards did they do to catch these...?

:eyes:

[Mithreal]

48. No chance of entrapment, right? eom

[KingFlorez]

49. This is how things are supposed to run

I feel safer knowing that the authorities handled this well. A lot safer than during the previous administration.

[harmonicon]

51. sounds pretty fishy to me....

two undercover FBI agents just happen to be involved with two nearly identical terror plots? Did they just go along with them and foil them, or like these other entrapment cases, did they suggest the plan and convince these schmucks to help carry it out - people who knew almost nothing and did almost nothing, but were talked into it somehow by people who are professional liars and cons? All just so we can look tough on terror.

Or maybe not. Maybe it's all legit, but right now it smells.

[Amonester]

53. it 'may' smell, but anyone who's ready to blow up any building...

for any reason, has no place to go but in jail (or in any mental institution...)

(anyone = white, red, green, whatever)

even for reasons like retaliation, or seventy two virgins, or else.

[harmonicon]

54. are you so sure about that?

Are these things somehow innate? Are there such things as thought crimes? People can think of many horrible things but never carry them out - then someone comes along and pushes them to do one of those things.... even helps them along the way and does most of the work. Which one should be in jail or an institution?

As a corollary, consider racism, or especially crimes motivated by racism; first, the person had to be in an environment where this idea was put into their head and nurtured. That in itself is bad, but then maybe they run into a group of people (KKK, Neo Nazis, etc.) who encourage them and carry out crimes in their presence..... but what if the KKK in this case are just pretending? What if it's all a rouse to make someone do something that they wouldn't have done otherwise?

I just don't think it's as simple as you suggest - yes, we all have free will and should know the difference between right and wrong, but we're also all shaped by our environment and have malleable minds. I would like to think that people aren't spending time to make those environments and minds as toxic as possible.

[girl_interrupted]

55. John Kerry once said fighting terrorism was a "police" matter

and I think that has been proven without a doubt. Being a NY'er I am extremely grateful for the work the FBI has done on this. I'm sure the thought of something happening on our subways has crossed many a NY'ers mind. Invading Iraq without good reason, has made us more enemies than friends, that's for sure. Again, thanks FBI. And John Kerry...you were right.

[Mithreal]

59. True, even if these were staged events.

These "lone wolves" were certainly as dangerous as terrorist cells in hiding.

If I were FBI looking for targets for these events I would pick a person with low IQ, socially isolated, or even mentally unstable.

It is very important politically for Americans to see that "police" response to terrorism is effective and produces results. Most people will never question the circumstances and they can have a feel good moment about our government and intelligence services. For the doubters or critical thinkers, well, they can question the details but by the time events go to trial it really won't matter that charges need to be dropped or reduced because the story will already have produced the intended results.

[boppers]

56. blow up any building... for _any_ reason... no place to go but in jail?

The problem with absolutist, extreme, thinking, is that it misses out on rational thought, on logic, on reason.

These folks, for example, have blown up *lots* of buildings, for pretty good reasons:
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/

[cherokeeprogressive]

57. Is there any information about how long these investigations went on?

And did these FBI agents lead the arrested suspects down a road they would otherwise not have taken?

[boppers]

58. The agents (from what I've read) supplied fake "bombs".

The defense will have a field day with that.

[Mithreal]

60. Not necessarily about justice, but instead about marketing

Democrat's version of the war on terror and the Afghanistan War?



(I realize it isn't called the war on terror anymore.)