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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:00 PM
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Name the last good Republican politician on the national stage.
So no obscure local guy you met at the bar one night while watching Monday Night Football...
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:01 PM
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1. Ike
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:02 PM
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2. Does Lincoln Chafee count? (Senator, Rhode Island)
I always respected him.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:02 PM
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4. he was the first I thought of too.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:11 PM
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12. Yes, the last decent Republican, and no longer one of them
Wonder if he remembered to turned out the light?
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 02:12 PM
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99. Which is why...
...I consider his father, John, to be the last decent republican. He died one. It was the only time I ever cried over the death of a republican.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:12 PM
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13. Agreed.
He should have switched parties when he had the chance!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:20 PM
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28. Ditto...
...I always thought of him as being more of a Dem that some with the D by their names. I respect the man a great deal.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:02 PM
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3. Robert La Follete. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:43 PM
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51. Hell of a decent guy, LaFollette.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:03 PM
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5. jeffords struck me as one
I had hoped that his party switching would make it easier for others to admit the many failings of the GOP, but no such luck.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:50 AM
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69. Jeffords was a great guy; I voted happily for him both for the House and Senate
but I don't think you can use him as an example here. He was on the national stage for quitting the repuke party and blasting it on the way out.
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:04 PM
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6. Bob Dole and JC Watts
Watts' speech to the GOP Convention ought to be required viewing for anyone thinking about joining what passes for Republicans today.
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ezgoingrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:14 PM
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15. JC Watts used
my Bible at some church function in about 1989, without my permission, I might add. But he gave me an autograph later and since I am a HUGE Sooner fan, I forgave him.

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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:30 PM
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32. oh? did watts finally get a clue?
but I still doubt that he is no longer for sale to the highest bidder as he has always been
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Liberty Lover Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:04 PM
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7. Ron Paul
He's not been bought out by corporate America. He's a defender of personal freedoms. While Democrats and progressives disagree with him on economics, at least some of them agree in some part especially about the Federal Reserve. I think he represents the kind of Republican that Democrats would consider a worthy and respectable opposition. If only the Republican party were more like him.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:27 PM
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21. yeah, that old getting rid of the Department of Education thing would work well, huh?
And he's all for personal freedom....unless you want to have reproductive rights.
No stem cell research.
Voted for bankruptcy "reform"
Doesn't like affirmative action.
Against equal pay laws.
Shitty on environmental issues.
Wants to eliminate Medicaid.
Wants to abolish Social Security.

Yeah, he's a real winner.
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Liberty Lover Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:56 PM
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Yes, getting rid of the Department of Education could work
Public education operated from a state or local level would increase competitiveness between states and school districts. State and local governments are more accountable. The citizens have more control over the education their children are getting.

Depending on how you look at it, Ron Paul could be stepping on the reproductive rights of the mother, or defending the right to life of the unborn child.

Opposing affirmative action and equal pay laws are consistent with defending liberty.

Anyone concerned about the huge budget deficit should also be concerned about Medicaid and Social Security.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:05 PM
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25. LOL. You forgot the sarcasm tag
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:18 PM
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38. I just don't see you lasting real long here. nt
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:26 PM
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42. WTF?
Sorry pal, but budget concerns do not justify stripping away Medicaid and Social Security. Those things save LIVES. Lives are more important than dollars, no matter WHAT assholes like Ron Paul say.
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Liberty Lover Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:35 PM
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44. That would be a decent argument
IF medicaid and social security did "save lives". But you can't prove that. Where's the evidence that these programs genuinely help the poor? Trust me, the evidence is not on the streets of major cities. Reality tells a different story.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:29 AM
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56. "the evidence is not on the streets of major cities. "
What's that supposed to mean?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:56 AM
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63. It means 30 minutes or less, that's what it means
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:05 PM
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110. Out loud.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 05:54 AM
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73. Ha ha! The reason
the proof is not on the streets of major cities is that us folks with Social Security do not have to live on the streets so we are, more or less, "invisible" to him.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:25 AM
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68. You don't know shit about what goes on on "the streets of major cities"
What you saw last week on CSI: Miami is not reality. In the real world Medicaid provides health care to people who would otherwise not have any. You don't think that saves lives? Make your case then, but make it well; I have very little patience for this kind of crap.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 05:49 AM
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71. You are embarrassingly illiterate.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 05:47 AM
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70. Crawl back under the rock you slithered out from neo-con.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:34 PM
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34. wow, I was thinking of voting for him too - guess I didn't really know his record
just felt like he wasn't corrput, but as you have shown, that is not enough
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:04 AM
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52. Personal freedoms?
Like reproductive choice?

Nope.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:02 AM
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66. Yes, liberals and progressives consider bigots worthy and respectable.
:eyes:
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 08:23 AM
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75. ROFL
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 08:23 AM by dionysus
:rofl:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:15 AM
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81. No he's not.
Ron Paul's nothing but another hypocritical "libertarian" whose only reasonable policy position is that we shouldn't be in Iraq.

Did you know he also supports banning gay marriage? How libertarian of him.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:43 AM
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84. No way...
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 10:44 AM by LeftishBrit
he is MORE right wing than the average Republican on economic and most social issues. Whether he has been 'bought out by corporate America' or not, he certainly represents the sort of early 19th century utterly laissez-faire mentality that would give corporations untrammelled power.

He also opposes any sort of government health provision; considers welfare benefits as 'theft'; is anti-choice; considers gay rights as 'heterophobia'; and the reason he opposees the Federal Reserve is not because it's insufficiently regulated but because he's against ANY sort of government intervention in the economy, and like most such loonies would prefer a return to the gold standard.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:24 PM
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122. He's a Libertarian lunatic, Libertarian = Corporatist patsy.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:04 PM
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8. Can't think that far back ~ huum
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:04 PM
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9. Teddy Roosevelt
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:45 PM
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45. Seconded
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:49 AM
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59. Theodore Rex advocated and defended the slaughter of Native Americans
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 12:50 AM by mikekohr

"I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."
-Old Rough and Ready- Theodore Roosevelt 79).

Perhaps the most undeserving recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize of all time, Roosevelt, described the slaughter, the butchery and debauchery that occurred at Sand Creek in 1864, "as righteous and beneficial a deed as ever took place on the frontier." 79).

Roosevelt stated that the near extermination of the American Indian, "was as ultimately beneficial as it was inevitable." 79).

He also believed that "degenerates, criminals and feeble minded persons be forbidden to leave offspring behind them." He feared the better classes of American's were in danger of being outnumbered by the "unrestricted breeding of utterly shiftless....and worthless ," people. It is not a long stretch from "Theodore Rex's" elitist views to Hitler's final solution. Pierre L. van den Berghe rates Roosevelt as among the modern world's top three racist statesmen, the other two being Hendrik Verwoerd, architect of South Africa's system of apartheid, and Adolph Hitler, leader of Nazi Germany. 79).

President Roosevelt eagerly described the Dawes Act as, "...a mighty pulverizing engine to break up the tribal mass." 31).

As President he issued numerous executive orders that transferred over 2.5 million acres of Indian Reservation lands to the National Forest System.

He is fondly remembered as the founding father of the National Park system and hailed as a visionary that loved the beauty of nature. Roosevelt once said, "I hate a man that would skin the land." It is supreme irony that he could see the beauty of Nature, but could not recognize the beauty and dignity of the First People of that land, a people that had preserved the natural wonder of that very same land for tens of thousands of years. But whatever his shortcomings in cross-cultural understanding may have been, he certainly understood the tendencies, traits, and desires of his own culture. For it was his own culture, from which he wished to shield the "last wild places."

http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html#THEODORE ROOSEVELT:
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:05 PM
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10. Abraham Lincoln
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:51 AM
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74. boop
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:10 PM
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11. Used to be plenty of them (although I might disagree w/ some of their actions)
Eve Dirksen
Chuck Percy
Goldwater (on some issues)
Bill Miller
Ike
Margaret Chase Smith
Rockefeller
Elliot Richardson
Howard Baker
Congressman Paul McCloskey
Sen. Inhofe of Oklahoma :rofl:



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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:20 PM
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29. I will give Goldwater credit for two things
He had no problem with gays in the military, and he saw the religious right takeover of the GOP coming from a mile away, and tried to warn everyone (obviously to no avail).

Chafee is my favorite (ex) republican
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 02:17 PM
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100. May I add...?
Harold L. Ickes, FDR's Interior Secretary, and probably the best one we ever had. Of course, he wound up leaving the party, too.
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ezgoingrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:12 PM
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14. Ronald Reagan
Heee heeee...just kidding!!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:16 PM
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16. Sen Warren Rudman???
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:47 AM
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58. he's my pick, too, he and Bill Cohen.
Loved it when they picked Ollie North clean during IranContra.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:52 AM
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60. second these choices -nt-
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:38 AM
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83. Yes...William Cohen is normal....
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chaplainM Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:16 PM
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17. Connecticut's Lowell Weicker Jr.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/24/nyregion/watergate-flashback-a-maverick-speaks.html?pagewanted=1


"Mr. Weicker's zeal for getting to the bottom of Watergate was quickly evident. Before the hearings began, President Nixon announced he would not allow his aides to testify on the grounds of executive privilege. Mr. Weicker told The Washington Star that executive privilege was supposed to be based on the national interest and ''the national interest in the case of Watergate is a restoration of faith by the American people in the integrity of their political system.'' Asked if he would vote to subpoena the president's aides, Mr. Weicker replied: ''Absolutely. Can anybody tell me how the national interest or national security is served by having those persons who are suspects not appear?''

With that, Mr. Weicker would later write in ''Maverick,'' his autobiography, ''I began to assume a role that I was to hold until the end of the Watergate scandal, that of independent participant rather than partisan chorister.'' Then, he further annoyed the White House, not to mention some of his committee colleagues, by announcing he would be adding investigators of his own to the inquiry."
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:18 PM
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18. Chuck Hagel. I went back 20+ years, but couldn't
come up with anyone else.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:53 AM
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89. Chuck Hagel doesn't even remotely qualify.
He only got into the senate because he was the CEO of the ES&S "voting" machine company at the time. Just because he eventually wised up about Iraq (though he voted for it in the first place). But without Chuckie's damnable machines, there wouldn't have been a PNAC occupied White House to start the war.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:44 PM
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95. Republican + national stage = qualified
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:53 PM
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96. The category was GOOD Republican on the national stage
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 01:55 PM by Sebastian Doyle
How the Hell can one of the originators of electronic election fraud be considered "good"?

Considering all the damage that has been done to this country because of that fraud, I personally believe Hagel and Diebold's Wally O'Dell should be charged with treason. And the eventual sentence carried out on live TV.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:22 PM
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19. George W Bush...
..... of course, I dont know how YOU are defining "good politician," but to me, "good politician" means "someone who can get elected, esp on a grand scale." I.E. good at what he does.

The man was elected to the Presidency at least once and, for a time time, was a somewhat popular. So that would be "good" in my book.

Was he a good President? Nope.

Is he a good person? Certainly questionable.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:30 PM
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33. He wasn't really elected, even the first time.
Both elections were frauds.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:27 PM
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20. I don't know of any nt
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:28 PM
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22. Abe Lincoln? nt
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 07:56 PM
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23. Lincoln Chafee and before him, John Dean
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 07:57 PM by Samantha
Before Dean, Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Sam
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 05:54 AM
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72. Actually, there are many more than that: Sen Brooks from MA
Senators Prouty, Aiken and Jeffords from VT And more.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:02 PM
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24. The late Senator John Heinz.
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lordcommander Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:11 PM
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26. General of the Army Dwight D. Eisenhower n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:11 PM
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27. Richard Nixon who had the courage to resign.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:21 PM
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30. Lincoln?
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:27 PM
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31. john lindsay
Edited on Thu Oct-01-09 08:28 PM by Onlooker
Former mayor of NYC. Ran for president, but lost early in the Republican primaries. A true liberal.
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nonpareil Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:35 PM
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35. Tom McCall
Tom McCall, governor of the state of Oregon (1967-1975). Father of the Bottle Bill. Champion of the law to maintain public ownership of the beaches of the Oregon Coast,the cleanup of the Willamette River,replacing the freeway along the Willamette River with a park and a statewide land-use planning system.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:21 PM
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39. Yep -- He was a good one, one of the last of a dying breed.
:hi: from a fellow Portlander.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:39 PM
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36. President Eisenhower
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:23 PM
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40. I thought that quote was
Benjamin Franklin?
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:36 PM
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50. I would go with Eisenhower also.
I was a child when he was president and my parents were republicans because they liked him and didn't like Truman. They thought Truman was a hothead and dropped the atomic bombs unnecessarily. They had liked FDR, but when Eleanor had came to the area, the miners refused to let her go below because it was thought to be bad luck. Now there are women who work below and anyone can take tours of some of them. As far as I'm concerned it would be bad luck for me to go below because I would panic and probably cause the thing to cave in. ;)
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 08:44 PM
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37. Pete McCloskey US house 1967 to 1983
Came out of retirement to run against Pombo (Ca 11) in 2006. Lost to Pombo in the June 6 primary, but not before inflicting several wounds that undermined Pombo. He publicly supported the Democratic candidate, Jerry McNerney, who went on to defeat Pombo.

In the spring of 2007, Pete McCloskey announced that he had changed his party affiliation to the Democratic Party.

Not bad for an 82 year old genuine decorated war hero dirt farmer and lawyer from California.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:25 PM
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41. Jacob Javits.
He is the only Republican I ever considered voting for.

I didn't actually do it, but I considered it. Given that I'm a rote voter, that's saying a lot.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 09:31 PM
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43. Teddy Roosevelt. n/t
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:53 AM
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62. Genocide and Eugenics take TR out of consideration
Theodore Rex advocated and defended the slaughter of Native Americans


"I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."
-Old Rough and Ready- Theodore Roosevelt 79).

Perhaps the most undeserving recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize of all time, Roosevelt, described the slaughter, the butchery and debauchery that occurred at Sand Creek in 1864, "as righteous and beneficial a deed as ever took place on the frontier." 79).

Roosevelt stated that the near extermination of the American Indian, "was as ultimately beneficial as it was inevitable." 79).

He also believed that "degenerates, criminals and feeble minded persons be forbidden to leave offspring behind them." He feared the better classes of American's were in danger of being outnumbered by the "unrestricted breeding of utterly shiftless....and worthless ," people. It is not a long stretch from "Theodore Rex's" elitist views to Hitler's final solution. Pierre L. van den Berghe rates Roosevelt as among the modern world's top three racist statesmen, the other two being Hendrik Verwoerd, architect of South Africa's system of apartheid, and Adolph Hitler, leader of Nazi Germany. 79).

President Roosevelt eagerly described the Dawes Act as, "...a mighty pulverizing engine to break up the tribal mass." 31).

As President he issued numerous executive orders that transferred over 2.5 million acres of Indian Reservation lands to the National Forest System.

He is fondly remembered as the founding father of the National Park system and hailed as a visionary that loved the beauty of nature. Roosevelt once said, "I hate a man that would skin the land." It is supreme irony that he could see the beauty of Nature, but could not recognize the beauty and dignity of the First People of that land, a people that had preserved the natural wonder of that very same land for tens of thousands of years. But whatever his shortcomings in cross-cultural understanding may have been, he certainly understood the tendencies, traits, and desires of his own culture. For it was his own culture, from which he wished to shield the "last wild places."

http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html#THEODORE ROOSEVELT:
mike kohr
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 04:51 PM
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104. I guess I got carried away after watching the PBS series on the national parks.
That's why I nominated Roosevelt. I didn't stop to think about those other things that you mentioned.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:21 PM
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112. History often puts polish on a turd. -nt-
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:24 PM
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46. Nixon

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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:28 PM
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47. Is this a trick question?
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 10:31 PM
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48. Richard Lugar (current)
He's conservative no doubt but he is much more thoughtful and intelligent than the rest of his colleagues in the US Senate. I've been voting for him for US Senate since I could start voting (he almost always runs unopposed) and one of the few Republicans I respect. Strangely, I like him a little more than Evan Bayh and Bayh, of course, is a *Democrat*. Wierd, eh?
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busybl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-01-09 11:18 PM
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49. Abraham Lincoln
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:19 AM
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53. President Eisenhower (eom)
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:25 AM
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54. Ike Eisenhower
.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:27 AM
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55. Tip O'Neil
psych! he was a Democrat bwahahahahha
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:01 AM
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65. yeah!
Generally, if it's an Irish surname, you're talkin' about a Republican.

Unless it's a Reagan. But we all know Reagan wasn't truly Irish.
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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:45 AM
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57. The 16th President of the United States, Abraham Lincoln
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:52 AM
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78. If Lincoln were President today, DU would hate his tactics
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 10:13 AM by demwing
He suspended habeas corpus, had Democratic party anti-war protesters jailed, and ignored Supreme Court and Congressional oversight.
BTW - you forgot Teddy Roosevelt, probably the best "voice-of-the-people" Republican ever.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:17 AM
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82. Were we in Lincoln's time, this place would be called "Republican Underground"
because we sure as hell would not be Democrats.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:52 AM
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61. I think Mark Hatfield was considered honorable...
...U.S. Senator from Oregon who opposed the Vietnam war. However, he did support W. at the end. He's really, really old now.
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:56 AM
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64. "Good" and "Republican" Aren't these oxymorons?
or is that oxymorans?
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:39 AM
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67. Chuck Hagel, Howard Baker, and Eisenhower.
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 01:41 AM by damonm
On edit, add Dick Lugar.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:45 AM
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76. Eisenhower
From his farewell speach:

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.


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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:07 AM
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86. +1,000,000,000,000
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:50 AM
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77. TR, Ike....and some Repub Senators like Lincoln Chafee
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:07 AM
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79. Good? Dunno. Decent? Senator Chuck Hagel. n/t
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:13 AM
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80. Jim Jeffords. Of course, he ended up switching.
Chuck Hagel had his merits.

Also Warren Rudman and a few others from New England.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:54 AM
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85. Bill Clinton
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 11:15 AM by invictus
:sarcasm:

Joking, of course. Even by Republican standards I would not consider him good. Clinton was more right-wing than Nixon or Eisenhower and he continued the Reagan Revolution of American politics by moving the Democratic Party to the right in the name of "electability." Clinton passed NAFTA, deregulated the banking industry (leading to the current crisis), and pursued a genocidal sanctions regime on Iraq while claiming to have evidence of weapons of mass destruction, thus providing Bush the excuse he needed for his invasion, an invasion that Clinton supported and his wife voted for.
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Cal Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:34 AM
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88. LOL,
you beat me to it. That's who I was thinking. Although with my post count it probably wouldn't have gone over well :)
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:13 PM
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120. He also raised the top tax rate from 31% to 39.6%, turned record deficits into record surpluses,
Provided an earned income tax credit to the poorest of Americans, stopped the worst elements of the Contract on America (building orphanages in lieu of child care, destroying Medicare and Medicade, cutting school lunches, etc.). And he provided over a tremendously successful economy, the best in at least 30 years. And he helped bring peace to Northern Ireland and was regarded as a great diplomat by most world leaders (King Hussein, who had worked with 10 presidents, said Clinton was the best ever).

A lot of the things Dems criticize him for passed the Congress by veto-proof majorities. That's where the country was at the time. It's hard to imagine that Obama would have been a liberal fire-brand rebel in the backbenches had he been in the Senate at the time. And he still hasn't abrogated NAFTA, which he could do tomorrow if he wanted to.

As for Iraq....they did have WMDs when he was there. The combination of Clinton airstrikes, threats of airstrikes and sanctions got them to give them up. We just didn't know how well his policy had succeeded, reducing their quantity to zero.

It's unfortunate that you fail to see how irrelevant it is to your point to say "Clinton's wife voted for the IWR." Your post is about Bill Clinton's presidency, and it is sad that some people don't recognize that Hillary's Senate career was her own. Making a point about her voting record in the Senate is inappropriate when talking about Bill's legacy as president, because it implies that she is nothing more then a by-product of her husband.

Steve
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:11 AM
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87. This oxymoron does not compute for me. If any were "good", they'd have been "D". SORRY.
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Splinter Cell Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:44 PM
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90. President Ford
He was a decent man. I didn't agree with his politics, but he was not a scumbag like most members of the modern GOP.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:21 PM
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113. I 100% agree. He was more of a moderate than a Republican.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:27 PM
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114. As President, he was mostly harmless in and of himself
But he WAS part of the treasonous "Warren Commission". And he did have both Darth Cheney and Rumsferatu in his cabinet, where (it is now known) they suppressed the reality that the Soviet Union was on an irreversible course of economic destruction even at that point, long before either the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan or the insane escalation of the nuclear arms race that followed when the Bush Crime Family returned to the White House in 1981. So Jerry's gotta take some of the blame for that.
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tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 12:54 PM
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91. Lowell Weicker. eom
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:01 PM
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92. Sen. Howard Baker from TN ---
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:11 PM
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93. Maybe Nelson Rockefeller?
I would have to go back a long way.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:22 PM
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94. The late Sen Wayne Morse R OR who switched parties twice
from Republican to Independent in 1952 and to Democrat in 1955. He was one of only two senators to oppose the Gulf of Tonkin resolution (by that time he was a Democrat) He was the only Republican to be outspoken in his opposition to the Taft Hartley Act in 1947.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 01:57 PM
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97. Ike, and before that Teddy
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 02:03 PM
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98. Teddy Roosevelt?
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 11:19 PM
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121. see post 62, advocating genocide and eugenics is a non starter
don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth."
-Old Rough and Ready- Theodore Roosevelt 79).

Perhaps the most undeserving recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize of all time, Roosevelt, described the slaughter, the butchery and debauchery that occurred at Sand Creek in 1864, "as righteous and beneficial a deed as ever took place on the frontier." 79).

Roosevelt stated that the near extermination of the American Indian, "was as ultimately beneficial as it was inevitable." 79).

He also believed that "degenerates, criminals and feeble minded persons be forbidden to leave offspring behind them." He feared the better classes of American's were in danger of being outnumbered by the "unrestricted breeding of utterly shiftless....and worthless ," people. It is not a long stretch from "Theodore Rex's" elitist views to Hitler's final solution. Pierre L. van den Berghe rates Roosevelt as among the modern world's top three racist statesmen, the other two being Hendrik Verwoerd, architect of South Africa's system of apartheid, and Adolph Hitler, leader of Nazi Germany. 79).

President Roosevelt eagerly described the Dawes Act as, "...a mighty pulverizing engine to break up the tribal mass." 31).

As President he issued numerous executive orders that transferred over 2.5 million acres of Indian Reservation lands to the National Forest System.

He is fondly remembered as the founding father of the National Park system and hailed as a visionary that loved the beauty of nature. Roosevelt once said, "I hate a man that would skin the land." It is supreme irony that he could see the beauty of Nature, but could not recognize the beauty and dignity of the First People of that land, a people that had preserved the natural wonder of that very same land for tens of thousands of years. But whatever his shortcomings in cross-cultural understanding may have been, he certainly understood the tendencies, traits, and desires of his own culture. For it was his own culture, from which he wished to shield the "last wild places."



http://www.brotherhooddays.com/HEROES.html#THEODORE ROOSEVELT:

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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 02:21 PM
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101. The late Senator John Heinz.
What a tremendous loss.
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Mike Daniels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 03:24 PM
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102. I say John Warner even if for no other reason than his hand in defeating Oliver North's bid
for the VA Senate.

Most indications are that North may have easily won the Senate from Chuck Robb had Warner not upset the apple cart by backing an Independent candidate that year.

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:00 PM
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107. The Warner who married Liz Taylor? Thought he was a Dem. nt
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 03:29 PM
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103. Ike - the 'Publicans of his era called him a communist - that's good enough for me. nt
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 05:17 PM
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105. Jack Kemp n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 05:59 PM
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106. Poppy Bush or McCain (PRE-2008 campaign). Bob Dole, too. nt
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argonaut Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:01 PM
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108. Charles Mathias, John Heinz, Howard Baker...
...Lincoln Chaffee (sp?), Joseph Cao (!), Olympia Snowe, William Weld, John B. Anderson. Oh, and Gerald Ford was a decent guy.

If you want to go back a little, Thomas Dewey and Wendell Wilkie stand out.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:02 PM
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109. Dick Luger.
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robo50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 06:15 PM
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111. Today's Republican Party is not your grandparents' Republican Party
Republicans used to stand for principles of equal rights for all, fiscal responsibility, integrity in government, diplomatic disagreements, support and reverence for the office of the President in a time of war.

All of that now missing from the Republican Party of today.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:30 PM
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115. Abe Lincoln
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Ajaye Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:41 PM
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116. There are plenty of them around
They just don't get the attention.

Charles Crist isn't so bad.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:48 PM
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117. Any of them who are
dead and gone.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:49 PM
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118. Dwight Eisenhower!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 10:07 PM
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119. I'd have to say Hagel and Lugar, in terms of most recent GOP politicians..
Edited on Fri Oct-02-09 10:09 PM by TwilightGardener
Also Chafee, can't forget him.
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