At some point you have to understand what we are fighting against... Treason

[Peacetrain]

and an attempt to overturn our Democracy.


Sometimes I get the feeling, that we have lost the vision of what we have had to fight against the last couple of decades, and especially the last 8 years.

The installation of the foreign owned news media aka newspeak in the likes of Rupert Murdoch and the Fox News? enterprise, and the Moonie Washington times.. all the media outlets used by the Right to gin up their base.

The doing away of the Fairness Doctrine (which actually was first put in by the republicans.. go figure) so they could take a "media" like radio, and shape it into a mouthpiece for their politics.

You get a political hack like Murdoch who uses his media to supplant local elections and the will of the people. He likes to play King of the World, .. just look up how he messed and messes in Australian politics with his media mouthpiece.

The other right wing screed touted is the Moonie Washington Times.. and the undertone of the promotion an American theocracy.

Now you have DeMint going to another country,Honduras where they had a military coup of an democratically elected President. DeMint is going there to undermine the United States government, because our underlying principles are to support democratically elected governments, even if we do not agree with them. It is the will of the people

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/02/demint-supports-honduras_n_225209.html

The are entrenched right through the concrete in DC. That is why, you get such an incredible disconnect with the will of the people and the right who think they own the United States.. and the media who is used to believing it also.'

This is not going to change overnight. We have decades of entrenchment to try and overcome

[monmouth]

1. DeMint will not be going to Honduras. Senator Kerry said "no."....n/t

[Peacetrain]

2. No he is going.. under a different department.. The republicans intervened

[alsame]

3. Yep, Mitch McConnell got him a plane.

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) denounced Kerry's move on the Senate floor and sought the intervention of the minority leader, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). The Republican leader appealed to the Defense Department to provide an aircraft for DeMint's trip and the Pentagon agreed to do so, according to the South Carolina senator's office.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/01/AR2009100105015.html

ETA: And yes, I think it's treason.

[CrownPrinceBandar]

4. As of last evening..............

I heard Mitch McConnell said he could go by saying that instead of being a Foreign Relations trip (which Kerry can block), DeMint can go under the auspice of the Defense Dept.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/61331-mcconnell-approves-demint-honduras-trip

[Nuclear Unicorn]

5. Um-m-m...

...doesn't the president run the Defense Department?

Foreign relations too if memory serves.

Couldn't he block DeMint?

[CrownPrinceBandar]

6. I would hope so...............

I do admit on being fuzzy on the whole chain of command thing working here. But, I don't see why he wouldn't have that authority.

What shocks me the most is that I have seen zero outrage on this issue thus far. This is a sitting US senator, traveling to a foreign land, to (from what news reports I've heard) directly contravene existing US policy to support a military junta. That, I do believe constitutes treason, or at least a MAJOR breach of protocol.

[Peacetrain]

7. I think it might be the Logan Act

[CrownPrinceBandar]

9. That's what was said last night............

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

Methinks that Madame Secretary Clinton will have someone's head on a platter when she gets wind of this. Dealing with foreign governments, I would believe, would fall under the Dept. of State.

[havocmom]

8. Can we get some more Recs for this one?

It is worth a high profile!

[CrownPrinceBandar]

10. Done..........

This is a big deal, and nobody is talking about this. Everyone is too worried about Letterman's dalliances.

[RoccoR5955]

11. If DeMint goes ahead with this,

he should be placed under arrest under the Logan Act. What he proposes doing is illegal, and he should have to suffer the consequences.

[Ikonoklast]

12. Fascism is what the controllers of wealth want for this country.

Using God as their front man to fool the ignorant, and religious fear to keep them in line.


We are becoming that which we feared the most.

[anonymous171]

15. I'm not hearing a lot of religious rhetoric from DeMint.

Most pro-fascist rhetoric in America is fear/greed based. You know, we need to stop them from taking all of our property/privileges.

[lady lib]

13. And then you have intellectuals like David Brooks saying

the RW media pundits don't have "real power," it's "illusory." In other words, we shouldn't be concerned about the nutty things these guys are saying because it doesn't have a real effect.

Except that it does. The constant barrage of hate is cutting a deep wound in our country that may not heal. Ever.

And that should be obvious even to intellectuals like David Brooks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/opinion/02brooks.html?_r=1&em

[Phx_Dem]

14. DeMit should be barred from returning to the U.S., or arrested upon return

for treason.