Who Is Ghost Writing Birther Orly Taitz's Court Papers? Karl Rove & Co.?

[TomCADem]

Orly Taitz is a relatively new lawyer who graduated from an online law school. In interviews, she has difficulty expressing herself due in part to her thick accent, and the fact that English is a second language. Indeed, despite the fact that she is a lawyer, during interviews, she rarely engages in a serious discussion of law or precedent. Yet, take a look at her motion attacking the Judge in the birther case pending in Ohio:

http://ia311029.us.archive.org/1/items/gov.uscourts.gamd.77605/gov.uscourts.gamd.77605.24.0.pdf

The motion does engage in the usual ad hominem attacks, but it actually cites to federal case law, and has very good Blue Book citation. Indeed, it is formatted extremely well for a solo practitioner who is practicing out of state on part time basis when she is not managing her dental practice, and who is also flying all over the country while also conducting various TV and radio interviews.

In other words, it looks like Orly Taitz is getting help. A lot of it. Taitz is willing to take the fall and actually sign these outrageous papers, so the motion focuses heavily on discrediting the judge, and creating the impression that there is some massive conspiracy between the judge and Obama administration even though Judge Land was a Dubya appointee. Indeed, rather than address the merits of Judge Land's OSC re sanctions, the motion (like the motion file in California against the judge presiding over Taitz's lawsuit in that case) attacks the judge personally.

Yes, Taitz is probably being fed a lot of the information by her birther friends, but I have some difficulty believing that a Dentist who graduated from an online law school, and who can barely express herself verbally during interviews, is writing fairly articulate, well researched hit pieces on the judges presiding over her cases. In California, it was Judge Arthur Nakazato who was being attacked as biased against her and in cahoots with the Obama administration:

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/taitz-case-nakazato-2532829-filed-http

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In the lastest quirky drama of Mission Viejo attorney Orly Taitz's lawsuit to get President Barack Obama tossed from office, she has filed a motion today asking that Magistrate Judge Arthur Nakazato by removed from the case. She says that Nakazato is holding up the case by being "hyper-formalistic."

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In Ohio, its Judge Land. Its as if she had Karl Rove's political research operations backing her up.

[tabatha]

1. Yes, I wondered, too.

Although it is basically nutty, a good deal of research seems to have gone into it.

[PatGund]

2. Oh, that question is easy.....

If you download the PDF files of her latest pleadings and check properties, (and check the name of her "Law Clerk" in the filings), the same name appears:

Charles Edward Lincoln III.

CEL3 is an attorney disbarred in Florida and California, and forced to give up his license in Texas. A convicted felon known for mortgage scams, he runs a business and website named after the motto of the Confederate States of America. He's also known for conning people into signing over property to him in the guise of "fixing their mortgages" and then suing the banks until he's forced out of the property.

In other words, he's a lying, dishonest con-artist with a history of flirting with Neo-Confederates and the "Sovereign Citizens" movement. And he's attached himself to Dr. Orly like a limpet, writing her motions in exchange for using her law license to further his scams.

Even some birthers have publically warned Dr. Orly about him.

[iceman66]

3. That makes somewhat more sense.

[Piewhacket]

6. lol. nice go. rather hyperbolic and unsupported commentary though...

i;m not defending anyone, but
you should support such comments, at least minimally, not so much because
you and skinner might be sued, but also because it provides credibility
to your claims. otherwise you give support to your detractors.

not saying you are right or wrong in your assessment, but based on some
quick research below, I'm not finding support for some of your rhetoric.


playing the exciting game of research***...
we discover CEL3 was convicted of making a false material statement to a court,
an offense serious enough to get him disbarred, which also apparently happened,
but this is not particularly impressive misconduct in the grand scheme of human
depravity and misfeasance.
IMO hyperbola is not warranted based on THIS conduct alone, and the sentencing
judge (of the district his conduct had offended) apparently viewed it likewise
by sentencing him to probation and a fine.


OTOH, CEL3 apparently has been criticized for bringing frivolous motions ** in his
divorce case - (I'm so shocked! like, that never happens! ) although he was represented
(not pro per)and sanctions
imposed on a client for a frivolous motion filed by his attorney must be regarded of dubious merit on the face of it without some pretty
compelling facts... but they seem to do things a little different in Texas.
IMO the filings may have been frivolous, but if so the lawyer usually bears the
responsibility for it, thats why people hire lawyers. Actually, a judge piercing the attorney
relationship just because the client is a lawyer seem to me despicable JUDICIAL conduct,
at least without facts that would hold a client responsible if they were not a lawyer.
I find this to be a doubtful basis for hyperbolic rhetoric against CEL3.












**Brief files on behalf of CEL3 by his lawyer
http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/clerk/briefs/2002/1401-1600/02-1538_ini.pdf

advising that on March 23, 2000, based on indictment, CEL3 pled guilty to a violation
of 42 U.S.C. §408(a)(7)(B) ( knowingly making a false material declaration on his
application for admission to practice law in the United States District Court for
the Western District of Texas. remaining counts of the indictment were dismissed
as part of the plea agreement). At sentencing the court noted he had voluntarily
surrendered his bar license. (United States v. Charles Edward Lincoln, case no. A-99-CR-275,
United States District Court, Western District of Texas, Austin Division.)

**
LEXSEE 114 S.W.3D 724, In re Charles Edward Lincoln, III, 03-03-00459-CV
COURT OF APPEALS OF TEXAS, THIRD DISTRICT, AUSTIN August 22, 2003

[Flabbergasted]

12. .

[Piewhacket]

18. get your pooch some glasses.. and a breath mint.

[iceman66]

15. Why are you defending this asshat?

[Piewhacket]

16. why attack me? I explained I wasn't defending anyone, just asking politely...

the basis of PatGund's claim that CEL3 is :

a) "known for mortgage scams"
and

b) "known for conning people into signing over property to him in
the guise of "fixing their mortgages" and then suing the banks
until he's forced out of the property."
and

c) "writing her motions in exchange for using her law license
to further his scams"

because all that sounds like some pretty bad stuff.

so, do you know anything about it?

[iceman66]

21. Nothing more than what I've read on this thread.

I do strongly suspect however that Orly is not writing her own material!

[Piewhacket]

22. th evidence suggests she has someone helping her to prepare her legal papers, agreed.

nothing improper about that, its common, even near universal
for attorneys to have such assistance. whether or not Orly is
"writing her own material", she is responsible for its content.

disbarred attorneys may do such work, if their disbarment
offenses are not too serious. as i have explained, IMO
CEL3's disbarment (based on what i saw of it) would not
disqualify him for such work.

and remember, the lawyer decides what pleading to write, what
position it will take, and takes full responsibility for the
document filed. the assistant must not do anything illegal, of
course, but otherwise to say the subordinate assistant is
responsible for the content of a pleading would surely
be wrongheaded.

to point that out does not "defend" anyone, it simply states
a principled view. any "defense" occurs entirely in your head.

no, let us not hyperbole (or slander), it is not proper, and is
completely unnecessary. Orly Taitz has serious REAL problems.
She has pissed off a federal judge by wasting valuable court
resources with frivolous argument, and has compounded her errors
by making a frivolous appeal.

now I'm not talking "frivolous lawsuit" the way republicans
define it (a claim against THEM, however meritorious). I'm talking
frivolous in that she did not even address the courts ruling AT ALL
in her appeal. How frivolous is that? About $10,000 worth, and that
is just for openers. Findings of frivolous filings in multiple
courts, with substantial fines, is just bound to get an attorney
headed off to a disciplinary hearing with the state bar.

at least ms taitz has a backup profession(s). :)

[PatGund]

23. Well, lets see..

a) Here's the link for his "Real Estate Redemption" website.

http://www.deovindice.us/

It's interesting to note that "deo vindice" is the motto of the Confederate States of America.

This is also matched at another one of his websites.

http://charleslincoln.spiritualpatriot.com/

and another one.

http://charleslincoln3.wordpress.com/

b) You might want to check out some of the info on CEL3 at:

http://www.quatloos.com/

c) Since CEL3 has acted as Dr. Orly's "Law Clerk", she has offered "Mortgage Redemption Services" on her website, and he as represented her at hearings as if he was a practicing attorney, which he is not.

[Piewhacket]

24. duplicate infernal machine!

[Piewhacket]

25. Heres's some info back, and an idea...

I briefly reviewed the sites in question.
A man stands on a corner with a tin cup and a sign,
"I have a JD and for 5 cents I can tell you what to
do to to avoid foreclosure. for 10 cents I'll help you
do it. "

What do we have? we don't fully know, for he won't
tell us unless we pay him 5 cents.

I saw no indication that Mr. Lincoln has a license to
practice law, nor a real estate license, in any state.
I do not know where several of the sites are located.
I do not know where Mr. Lincoln lives or does business.

However, there is some reason to believe Mr. Lincoln
resides in Texas.

The Texas State Attorney General would then have
jurisdiction to determine if Mr. Lincoln IS or
IS ATTEMPTING TO provide services for which a license is
required in Texas, and whether Mr. Lincoln and his associates have
the required licenses, or not. While the AG is looking,
the AG can consider if Mr. Lincoln's services violate any
other Texas law.

If, however, the Texas AG finds there is no jurisdiction
over something concerning, the problems can be referred
by him to the proper person and place.

Are you still here? Are your eyes glazing over? Do I
have your attention? Wake up. Work to do.

Alas, it is not easy to document the sites, and so easy
for them to be removed. Yet at least one appears well
protected. hmmm what to do? I know... take a picture of
as many pages as practical. mwsnap ought to do the trick.
http://www.mirekw.com/winfreeware/index.html
(mirek's programs are clean, i promise)

one might catalog each pic with the date and times and URL.
then one might write a letter to the Texas AG expressing
that these activities appear concerning, and attach printouts
of the web pages where Mr. Lincoln is soliciting something,
and the rest on a CD. the letter can be anon, since the thing
will speak for itself.

that's what one might do.
might one?






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0) Orly Taitz's web site has been quarantined by google. I wisely chose not
to enter.

1) http://www.deovindice.us / appears a legitimate site. i didn't
search the site completely but saw several concerting items.
i was unsuccessful at identifying the location of this site

2)http://charleslincoln.spiritualpatriot.com /
more alarm bells
the hosting site spiritualpatriot.com 701 Lee Road, Suite 300 , Chesterbrook PA US
appears to be in the US

3)http://charleslincoln3.wordpress.com /
more alarms
wordpress.com is operated by Layered Technologies, Inc. 5085 W Park Blvd Suite 700
Plano TX 75093
Blog re housing crisis
Wake Up Call to Homeowners Facing Foreclosure.... If you have questions call
Robert at 860-599-5557

[Hawkeye-X]

27. Pat Gund is someone I follow pretty closely

And he has a lot more credibility than you. I'll take his word, if what he says is true. CLE3 is already a criminal, and Orly is stuck with him because she knows jackshit about filing lawsuits.

A few well-aimed google searches shows that she's an lousy dentist as well (plenty of malpractice claims against her)

[Piewhacket]

32. "credibility" is what the ignorant use as a surrogate for facts.

While I can see how your opinion of someone's credibility raises
a question about YOUR credibility, but I con't quite see
how my asking for information to support an opinion
requires you to assess MY "credibility"?

In any event, I can assure you that not everything
in the world revolves around your assessments of "credibility".
Sometimes, shockingly, its not even about "you".
Honest.

Pat Grund earns "credibility" when he is prepared to support
what he says. In fact he did respond with a supporting post.
His support was neither complete, nor adequate to
support his claims. That's not a guess, its a matter of logic.
But it was SOMETHING, and in fact it was ENOUGH to show
why people are complaining about CEL3.
So Pat Grund has earned a pass. At least for here in DU.
And for the moment.

But all you seem to have is belief based on your opinion of
"credibility". Perhaps you'll now explain why
the rest of us are required to rely on your beliefs
and your credibility.

[PatGund]

35. Note:

It's PatGund or Pat Gund, not Pat Grund :-)

[Piewhacket]

36. noted PatGund PatGund PatGund. Think I got it now. thanks.

[Piewhacket]

17. dup

[quiet.american]

9. Thanks for that background. Very interesting. nt

[old mark]

4. I wonder where the money is coming from....

The real motive force behind all this distraction and propaganda.

mark

[TomCADem]

19. True - Even Assuming She Does Her Own Research, Does She Have Legal Staff, Too?

Remember, Orly Taitz collects online degrees like they are going out of style. She is also a real estate agent, as well as a dentist. She does not really have an ongoing law practice. Yet, those are very well formatted documents. Given that she spent most of her time making a living as a dentist, where did she get legal staff to properly formate these documents, whcih comply with the formatting rules for different courts such as the Central District of California and Ohio. Look at both court filings, and you will see that there are different formatting requirements.

It just appears fishy the idea that Orly Taitz is able to manage two cases in two states all by herself as a virtual pro per.

[PatGund]

31. It's a mix....

The first is she relies a lot on her "law clerk", disbarred former attorney Charles E. Lincoln III. (Look at the PDF files of many of her motions, and you'll see his name in properties.)

The second is she has a lot of her "Cavity Creeps" on her blog doing research as well. (When she's not hitting them up for donations.)

The third is a lot of her filings are "cookie cutter", when she'll simply tweak a previous case or claims to fit the new data. Her initial filing Dr. Rhodes case is a great example, as it was 98% her Stefan Cook case, even down to place of deployment (Cook was to be deployed to Afghanistan, Rhodes was deployed to Iraq), and gender (Cook is male, Rhodes is female. Yet the initial Rhodes filings had "Afghanistan" and "he")

[rug]

5. Ezra Pound,

[Hepburn]

7. She has a law clerk whom I believe is a disbarred Cal Atty....

...he most likely is drafting her pleadings.

[skygazer]

8. Do you really think lawyers write all those documents?

Law clerks and legal assistants write them, lawyers look them over, make corrections and sign the finished copy. You'd be paying even more for a lawyer if they had to do all the paperwork.

[tandot]

10. Monty Python?

Because her stuff is funny as sh*t

[Enrique]

11. would you rather have Orly as your lawyer or your dentist?

that's one of those ultimate questions.

[Brother Buzz]

13. I'd rather face her as a black belt opponent

Apparently she really does have a black belt degree in something. The ultimate question is 'mail order' or 'cereal box' degree? :rofl:

[Hawkeye-X]

28. Hell, put me in.

I spent 4 years in training in SongAhm style Taekwondo, and retired as a red belt because I didn't have the time anymore to train.

I'll take her blackbelt in quackery vs my out-of-practice-for-6-years Taekwondo training (which I remember fondly) true-blue red belt (one step away from black btw)

Hawkeye-X

[Brother Buzz]

29. I'm in your corner

I'll be your cut man, I'll bring a book.

[Catshrink]

14. Or real estate agent?

Really.

[Posteritatis]

20. At this point I think her ghostwriter is a lysergic acid golem. (nt)

[Stephanie]

26. Here is the answer:

From Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/2/1863/56426?detail=f

Actually, she's involved in a foreclosure (40+ / 0-)
prevention con with a guy named Charles E. Lincoln, III. He is a disbarred Texas attorney (also disbarred in Fla. and California) and a convicted felon. He runs an "advisory service" to teach folks how to prevent getting their houses foreclosed. But what he really does is gets you to sign your house over to him and then he litigates against the mortgage company pro se. I don't know, but suspect, that Orly got her real estate license to run this scam with him, as he cannot run it as a felon.

If you right click on the links in my diary, you might see the author of the motions Orly filed today appears to be one Charles Lincoln III.

by Texdude on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 06:55:49 PM EDT

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/2/1863/56426?detail=f

You actually have to download/open the PDF file (3+ / 0-)
... and then look under "Document Properties" to find that Charles Edward Lincoln III is Orly's ghostwriter Author:

by dmhlt 66 on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 08:50:18 AM EDT

Link has image of PDF meta data.

[Piewhacket]

33. do you know of any case where CEL3 has gotten someone to sign over their house then...

"litigates against the mortgage company pro se"

[TomCADem]

34. Well, If Rule 11 Is Supposed To Ensure That A Document Contains Arguments Raised In Good Faith...

Doesn't ghost writing evade the requirements of Rule 11? After all, Orly Taitz is not the one writing the briefs, and can barely explain ther arguments she has made in her own legal documents. I would think that is a bit of an ethical violation to have a disbarred attorney in the background having free license to write outrageous, slanderous materials in their court papers without being accountable for such arguments.

[Piewhacket]

37. heh... no win on that line, OT signed them and is responsible for the pleading.

but otoh, just hypothetically, if you could prove
she signed them without reading them.... well then,
she couldn't know what they actually said, could she?

and if she didn't know what they said, how could she
possibly have filed them in good faith...

just hypothetically

**
it doesn't actually violate any ethical rule
"to have a disbarred attorney in the background having free
license to write outrageous, slanderous materials in their court papers
without being accountable for such arguments."

shocked? of course.
its another republiscum loophole obama needs to close!)

[TomCADem]

38. This Is Why OrlyTaitz Is The Ideal Dupe...

Most lawyers would be afraid of being disbarred and losing their livelihood by attacking judges on a serial basis. But, with Taitz, there could very well be an entire Rovian propaganda operation writing her briefs, and she has no problem signing the motions, even if she does not understand them, because she just hates the President. She is not deterred in the slightest about being disbarred. This is why I think it is unethical that she is having her briefs ghost written, because by doing so, the real folks who are pushing the birther stories are kept off the radar.

[Piewhacket]

41. My amendment, if passed, would change "ideal" to "clueless".

she thought she could set up a machine to shake the money tree,
and indeed some money did fall,

but what she didn't understand
was that she had to sell herself to get the machine,
and then there was the ungodly MAINTENANCE!

kind of like a Ferrari... only worse.

[davidpdx]

30. Next time the MSM publishes an article about this nut case

Someone needs to be front and center contacting a reporter to provide the link between Lincoln and her and then all of Lincoln's past legal problems. It seems to me like any objective reporter would report this.

[billyoc]

39. Online Law School? Sign me up!

I will kick ASS! :rofl:

[Honeycombe8]

40. Why give that person an advertisement? Why would you? The name isn't heard on nat'l news.

The name is heard ONLY on DU.

So I have to wonder: Why would someone repeatedly post about a relatively unknown person who is actively working to undermine the President that we voted for?