Arianna: "Why Joe Biden Should Resign" - What is she huffing?

[ksoze]

Arianna thinks Biden should resign to make a point about his differences in how the Afgan war is being handled. Like her blog, like her accent, but she is way off here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-joe-biden-should-resi_b_320929.html

[rvablue]

1. Why do we bother paying attention? *SIGH*

I guess Arianna hasn't been booked on a cable show for a couple of days.

So, write something idiotic and controversial and the calls will come streaming in for her to appear on all three channels.

Ugh. :puke:

[JuniperLea]

3. Bingo... this is all about her, and not about a cause...

Randi Rhodes is traveling that road as well. Can't stand her anymore... used to be her #1 fan.

Self-absorbed is not a good substitute for a healthy ego.

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[question everything]

4. Yup, she and Maher - I don't know about Kos -

have to show that they are still relevant, even though Bush and Cheney are gone.

So they go out of their way to show that they can still attack and make themselves stupid in the process.

[JuniperLea]

2. I'm bored of her shark jumping...

And her tabloidy blog.

Perhaps Ms. Arianna should understand that she doesn't know everything. Seems to me, even with the recent bump in troop numbers, there's a strategy going on here... look at the types of troops they have sent... and look at the timing of those who are due to come home.

Obama and Biden play chess a whole lot better than Arianna... and DU, if DUers can take that.

No, they can't... actually... sadly.

[Drunken Irishman]

5. What a ridiculous article.

I know Arianna has generally exorcised the stupidity that came with being a right-winger...but sometimes it rears its ugly head.

[Jennicut]

6. So Joe resigning will somehow stop Obama from possibly escalating the war in Afghanistan?

What the hell is she on? Seriously, I think Biden being there as a critic on many different issues is good for Obama. If he resigned we would not have that voice anymore to question things. He serves Obama well.
Arianna's hyperbolic headlines give me a headache after awhile as well.

[Drunken Irishman]

7. She wants Obama to fail...

And if Biden were to resign (won't happen), it'd effectively end the Obama presidency.

Then she could sit there and spend the next four/eight years of a Romney/Palin/Pawlenty presidency saying, "I told you so!"

[MarjorieG]

11. Part of the left's echo chamber, if they can't make him, they'll break him. Caring about

their influence and accessibility only.

[ProSense]

10. It's irrational, and running

rampant.

[TheKentuckian]

8. She's not a liberal, she's not a conservative, she isn't a Democrat or a Confederate

She is contrarian.

She is to be used when expedient to our causes and ignored or even ridiculed when she does not.

[vaberella]

55. I think I agree with your assesment 100%. Change that to, " I FULLY agree." n/t

[MarjorieG]

9. Obama did the least, waiting for election, Kerry now there to appraise everything. He also wary of

ramped up Afghanistan. Biden is on board for Obama because of such independent advice, so he should resign? Sorry, but she's an overrated, spotlight seeking ditz. And Maher used to be highly influenced by her, and was similarly misinformed.

[Cha]

12. And, this was written Sunday..

Ms. Huffington And Her Flock Again Need A Reality Check"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8696467

She needs to step away from the Whine & Cheeze.

[vaberella]

56. Hah! ^_^ Agreed. n/t

[butterfly77]

14. She needs to shut the hell up..

does she really think that she has that much power. I don't trust this so called former republiCON.

[goclark]

84. She was a Republican turned Democrat -- right?

[Thrill]

15. Shes become a serious major league asshole

.

[Pirate Smile]

34. And turned her blog into one most of the time too.

[TomCADem]

17. So, Hillary Is Pro-Escalation and She Keeps Her Job, But...

Joe favors an anti-terrorist strategy, rather than nation building, and he should step down?

[karynnj]

18. Yep, because moving the least hawkish voic out always helps move the President to being less hawish

It still stuns me that Biden, who was one of the slower Democrats to move to accept a deadline in Iraq really is the least hawkish voice. At least it is good to know that Obama is also talking with Kerry.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

33. I'll say it again, since you agreed with the poster you were responding to....

Why bring Hillary into this? Huffington hates her guts!

[karynnj]

46. Because she really has aligned herself

with Gates. I had just read this - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113783298 which made me react to his/her comment.

If you think of the dynamics in the decision process, removing Biden leaves mostly hawks. (Susan Rice may be one of the non hawks) I am pleasantly surprised that Biden has taken the position he has. I wish Hillary were not semi- neo-con in her thinking here.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

51. Where did the OP mention Hillary? Huffington hates Hillary. Why bring her into this?

I know why!

:rofl:




P.S. - I wasn't the one who mentioned Hillary's name.... the article didn't either.

[karynnj]

59. The other poster did - and the reason he did made sense

Huffington is illogically asking Biden to resign - even though that means that the security council will then be MORE hawkish than it is now. Now the most prominent member of that council is Hillary - and she sided with the hawks in March. His point was it would be better to hope a prominent hawkish vote resigned than the strongest voice that most of us likely agree with.

To me it appears there is a Hillary chorus that ignores that she has backed the polices that we all would have blasted under Bush - but it is ok because she is Hillary.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

32. Where did the OP mention Hillary? Huffington hates Hillary. Why bring her into this?

I know why!

:rofl:

[TomCADem]

41. Because Ariana Is Calling For The Resignation Of Someone She Agrees With

The logic is completely backwards. I can understand DUers calling for the resignation of Tim Geithner or Larry Summers, but Joe Biden?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

52. I agree with you buddy.. I love Joe... I just want to know why Hillary was brought up.

She wasn't even mentioned in the article.

[Muttocracy]

75. they posted a reply to a reply, not a reply to the OP

Comment #17 above - talking about why Biden should resign vs. other foreign policy staff, e.g., Hillary

[jesus_of_suburbia]

77. I love Joe (really).

I'm just taking up for Hillary.

I think he's a very good man (and a great VP). I think Pres Obama chose well.

P.S. - Although I think he would do a good job as President, I don't want him to run, because I think he is too prone to gaffs (I'm afraid he'd say something bad in the campaign if he was the #1 spotlight).

[Muttocracy]

78. you're still not following the logic of the thread, and you're happy to bash Biden

while complaining about people bashing Hillary. Hope you enjoy that chip on your shoulder - I don't have time for it.

[Enrique]

71. yes, Biden would resign because of the difference of opinion

Hillary would have no reason to resign because she supports the policy.

[Phx_Dem]

19. Arianne is a bigtime A-HOLE.

[wisteria]

20. LOL, a move like that would show a lack of respect for the President and the Office Biden holds.

What a dumb thing to suggest.

[musiclawyer]

21. Relax people

You may think what she wrote is stupid, but a stupid lady she ain't. She's trying to provoke, make people confront the issue. Whether such approach is efficacious or useful is another matter.

[Bushknew]

49. You get a gold star. SOMEONE has to raise hell about Afghanistan. She's doing that.

[geek tragedy]

62. Stupid, no. Vain and narcissistic? Absolutely., nt

[gateley]

22. Brilliant. Resign to "make a point" and take away a valuable, contributing Vice President

from the people and the President.

Joe's a bigger person than that, Arianna. Perhaps you should take lessons.

[Canuckistanian]

58. I just read the article. Arianna says Biden must resign "on principle"

Excuse me, but if you have a point to make, and people to convince, you DON'T resign.

You STAY and try to change minds.

I don't know what argument Arianna is trying to make here.

[SIMPLYB1980]

23. Comeing up on The Situation.

Huffington makes a fool of herself.

[IndianaGreen]

24. Did you read the entire piece?

Sounds like you missed the point altogether.

[PatSeg]

25. She made some good points in the article,

but the headline was a cheap trick to get attention. Maybe more people will read the article because of it, but a lot of people might be turned off and not bother.

[IndianaGreen]

27. There is a generational problem in DU between those that lived through Vietnam, and those that came

later.

Those of us that lived through all the lies and the bloodshed, still cringe at the mere mention of General Westmoreland. This also explains why many of us have such strong views about Afghanistan, particularly when we see our country embarking on another disastrous military campaign.

[PatSeg]

44. That same generational problem

evidently exists in the White House as well - a point that was made in the Newsweek article about Biden. Unlike many White House staff, Joe remembers the disaster of Vietnam as we do. Yet another reason why he is a valuable asset for this administration.

[secondwind]

43. I agree with you.....she may have a point here.....it's not too far-fetched, as I see it.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

26. The VP resigning isn't a wise move in anyones books. It weakens the WH...

Joe Biden is essential to the WH if he at least has the President's ear he'll get through to him in the end. Joe has seen folks come and go in cabinet positions so he doesn't exert too much pressure, but at least he's there and that's a good thing for all of us.

[IndianaGreen]

28. What's more important, the White House or the lives of the troops you are sending into this quagmire

That was the issue in Vietnam, and it is the issue now.

[Jennicut]

35. I just don't think Joe resigning would change Obama's decision.

I doubt taking out the voice of reason to "make a point" is going to change things. It is really counter productive. Biden is much more effective being a critic in the administration, with some kind of power (being the VP). He has already changed the mind of some people in the administration and gotten Obama at the very least to listen to an argument on the other side of McChrystal's (though not one that is a full pull out of troops).

[Arkana]

29. OK, Arianna's defenders have to say this is bullshit.

[SIMPLYB1980]

31. No they don't they will defend it.

[PinkOwl]

30. Misleading OP

At no point are we told that Arianna only wants Biden to resign if President Obama decides to send more troops to Afghanistan.

OP tells us that Arianna wants Biden to resign "to make a point about his differences" regarding Afghanistan, but does not mention the "escalation" part, which is what it's all about.

[Cha]

36. Either way..it's stupid.

Biden's not a quitter like palin. It's just more sensationlizing from huff.

[IndianaGreen]

37. Hey! Hey! LBJ! How Many Kids Did You Kill Today?

Are you ready for the anti-Afghan war chants of Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho!?

[Cha]

40. I have more confidence in what is really going on

instead of getting the sensationalized n00ze from the so called "left blogsphere" who have only shown to be irresponsible in their reporting.

Not all of them by any means..just a lot that is brought on DU, imv.

[IndianaGreen]

45. I am sure you trusted all those Democrats standing in the Rose Garden

Bush Gephardt at Rose Garden October 2 2002

[ksoze]

48. I'm the OP and what I wrote was correct. Thanks and welcome to DU.

[Engineer4Obama]

38. This is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever seen her say

And I've thought she was talking nonsense (in areas that she really has no expertise in) for a long time now.

[SeattleGirl]

39. Ron Reagan just had her on his show. Now he's asking people

for their opinions. Most are against Biden resigning. (Thank goodness; what an absolutely stupid idea there, Arianna!).

[Honeycombe8]

42. She's going off the deep end. A need for more attention? Her site is already successful.

What more does she want?

[gateley]

47. Stupid and unnecessary piece (I actually read it!). I think she just needed

to fill up some column space. This'll die a quick death.

[FrenchieCat]

50. "Why Arriana should fold shop"

Cause I said so? :shrug:

[earth mom]

53. Go Arianna! Tell it like it should be!

:applause:

[vaberella]

54. This is why Arianna Huffington needs a vacation. n/t

[anonymous171]

57. He should only resign if Obama is completely ignoring his advice

Just my 2 cents.

[Milo_Bloom]

60. It seems likely war voting Biden is the voice of reason on war.

[BeyondGeography]

61. Totally asinine

[onehandle]

63. She's listening to the loons that respond to her semi-pornagraphic web site.

Have you ever read the comments over there?

Her crazies make any crazy we've ever witnessed here look pretty stable.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

64. Holy crap. This sort of thing used to be a no-brainer for progressives.

If somebody argues against escalation, you back him. And if you want him to follow through on his beliefs, you back him to follow through on his beliefs. And if you want people to notice him following through on his beliefs, you hope he follows through on his beliefs in a very attention-getting sort of way.

You may now resume grazing. Leave some grass for the other sheep.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

65. All that would do would be to leave the hawks unchallenged...

...with no moderate voice to compensate.

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT:

Biden resigns over his policy preference - damn, we lost a good one

McChrystal resigns over his policy preference - we might not send so many people to die, be maimed and/or come home mentally scarred

Hm-m-m...decisions, decisions.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

66. Joe Biden is one of few people who was right on Pakistan. He has been talking about Pakistan

now for years! The president couldn't have a better advisor.

Arianna has lost her damn mind!!

[Enrique]

72. you must not have read the article

or else you don't understand why she's calling for him to resign. Yeah, Biden's "right", that's the point.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

73. So sue me. I still think Arianna is off her rocker!

And Joe is RIGHT!!!

[Enrique]

76. yeah, Joe is right

just like Arianna says in the article. Did you read it?

[Hippo_Tron]

67. Arianna hasn't studied much strategy, I take it

Biden resigning is a great strategy if your goal is to take down the Obama administration. It's a horrendous strategy if your goal is to not escalate in Afghanistan.

[Robbins]

68. Just Crazy

We need Biden at Obama's side.He Is one who has learned from the Iraq ficaso.And Biden has been
right on Pakinstain.I am weary on Afghanstain because we should be going after Al Queda not pumping
up a corrupt Government that more of less only controls the Captial of the country.The Taliban did
not attack us on 911.The mission should not be fighting them.And mark my words If more troops keep
getting sent sooner or later Republicans will start attacking Obama for It and call it his war.

[Cha]

69. And President Obama was right on not bombing Iraq so

they make a good Team.

From October 2002 by Barack Obama..

<snip>

"What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?"

<read more>>
http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

Good this has 5 Recs..maybe Arianna will see it. Get a grip, Ms Huffington, and quit trying to sensationalize your headlines..I don't even want to go over there anymore to your huffpost.

[Enrique]

70. it's not about Biden

it's about ending the war.

Yes, she made her point by focusing on Biden's role, but it's not about him.

I encourage everyone to read the whole article, it's really good and it's about something really important and she says something pretty original. Try reading it without taking it personal.

[Overseas]

83. Exactly. But it is so much easier to bash Ariana. //nt

[Phx_Dem]

74. I was kinda hoping Arianna would resign and move far away. n/t

[TexasObserver]

79. If you've seen South Park, you know she's sniffing her own farts.

[JNelson6563]

80. She's so needy.

If only we could bottle spotlight, people like her could buy it and mainline it and stop cluttering up the landscape with her senseless bleating.

Julie

[Cleobulus]

81. Arianna has lost her mind. n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

82. I think Joe is doing exactly what a VP should be doing...

unlike Dick face Chaney.