Killian typed the memos himself.

[Qutzupalotl]

That's why his secretary doesn't remember typing them. She didn't. She typed similar ones. She only thought she was typing everything in the office. This explains why the formatting and spelling on his memos is different from the formatting she used.

Killian was truly covering his ass and made his own. Kept them in a safe place, away from his office. That's why the family didn't find them in his office. He didn't even tell his secretary about his secret stash of CYA memos, separate from hers. Truly covering his ass, in case she turned against him.

Here's what we know: The details described in the memos are accurate. The typing is consistent with an IBM Executive typewriter, which the military had and used at the time. Only a few people had knowledge of the level of detail about this story that Killian and Knox did, and it is revealed in the memos. The memos are written in a style and voice consistent with the memories his friends had of Killian the man. And the signatures appear to be genuine.

Any attempt to push the forgery angle now cuts against Occam's razor.

[NEDem]

1. Yes

Thats exactly what my first thought was after reading the WP.

However I'm wondering if Burkett may have been the one type type them. Theory: After he found them in the trash can, he quickly typed up copies and thru the orginals back in the trash can.

[lostnfound]

4. Mine too. nt

[Pax Argent]

33. Doesn't work; where did the signatures come from? /eom

[napi21]

42. He typed them & signed them! How hard is that to understand?

I've done thing thousnads of times! Attaching your signature gives validity to the typed words.

[are_we_united_yet]

2. I think

that makes the most sense. I don't buy the forgery crap one bit.

[Mr_Spock]

3. Imagine if we could find the originals?

That would be cool.

[splat]

14. who "inherited" them?

When Killian died, who would have gone over his cya files? Which were probably at home.

Which Guard friend would Mrs. Killian have entrusted with the task, and safekeeping of those he thought worth keeping?

(no inside info here, just a possible reconstruction)

[Qutzupalotl]

26. Most likely the CBS source, or someone connected to him/her.

Apparently the documents were not found in Killian's home or office. Which, if you think about it, is the first place one's personal enemies would look for them. I believe he entrusted them to a friend.

[ClassWarrior]

I read on another threat that there's a Killian...

...living in Abilene, TX, where the faxes supposedly originated. Could this have been the keeper of the CYA file?

[Hepburn]

36. I am thinking that someone removed ...

... that personal file when he died because of how "sensitive" some of the docs in it would be. After all when Killian died in 1984, Bush, Sr., was VP of the US. I can imagine someone seeing what was in the file, realizing it could not get out, but realizing the file could not be destroyed either. But... maybe later when GWB did not and would not come clean about the ANG, that same person getting angry and releasing damaging info.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

51. Just a thought...

I just can't believe that someone would single out just Bush 30 years ago and save documents from 1984. I mean, in 1984, BoyGeorge was a life-long screw up but who in their right minds could see the jerk as President of the United States? And save his file? Honestly? I mean, really, he wasn't being portrayed as material for president of the local chapter of the Elks Club much less national office! This person knew this was a guy with influence and "juice" but, president? Maybe Bush's file is just part of a whole bunch of CYA memos that Killian made on several of the members. Could explain why no one is rushing forward to claim the reward and/or to defend Bush's "honor." Or to set the record straight.

Just to be nosy - what are some of the other names on the "Champagne Unit's" roster at that time? Anyone we would know today? I hope this post doesn't come off as negating what the TANG soldiers did in the service of their country - there were (and now are) plenty of good, honest soldiers who served their country in all National Guards but who else was flying, studying, partying with Bushie and why aren't they coming forward? I cannot get past the idea that most people will report what camaraderie exists within their military unit and no one remembers Bush, was his friend, flying partner, nothing? For five years?

And, yes, black helicopters are hovering over my house as I type!

[otohara]

5. Absolutely - He Wouldn't Ask Secretary To Do It

she might go blab it to someone who would shut Killian down on orders from BFEE.

[yardwork]

6. The secretary raised another interesting possibility....

She said that she thought somebody copied the originals, changing a few things here and there to cover their identity so that they didn't get in trouble.

That still means that the originals are probably someplace safe, though.

[NEDem]

9. Originals are probably long gone

He retyped them so he would not get caught taking them. Had to leave originals in the trash can in order to not get caught. My theory at least

[dennis4868]

22. DID THE SECRETARY....

say tonight that she typed the original memos that was word for word what was in the "forged" memo that CBS got?

[Orangepeel]

24. No. She said the CBS memos used "Army" language, not Air Force

the wording was one of the reasons she though they were copies.

[Iceburg]

43. Here is what the secretary said + link to CBS video

"You didn't type these memos?" Rather asked Knox on camera.

She replied, "It's not the form I would have used and there are words in there that belong to the Army, not the Air Guard. We never used those terms."

Ms. Knox denies typing "those" memos however states that the core of the information in them is correct. She states that Killian did write a memo "like that", but went on to say "Its seem that somebody did see those memos and then tried to reproduce and maybe changed them enough so that he wouldn't get in trouble over it -- could deny it."

Were the "originals" more invective? Or is trying to recall adverbatim a document from 32 years a bit of a stretch for any mind on this planet? Did RoveInc replace the original with a censured less castigating memo?

What is your interpretation of those specific remarks by Ms. Knox?

Link to page containing the CBS 60 minutes video
Bush Memo Info is Accurate ( see left hand side of page -- about 5:20 minutes into the 8:30 minute video)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main6437...

[RamboLiberal]

55. Army Terms bother me

Burkett was Army - so they do point to him retyping. I think he may have pulled those from the trash, or memorized the contents, or secreted away the originals when Bartlett & company were doing their AWOL Tang cleansing act. For some reason including the thought he may have memorized or just jotted down the documents before they were cleansed he retyped the originals on his own typewriter or PC and inadvertently used the Army terminology he was familiar with.

My other thought was do we know when Killian entered service? Remember the Air Force was originally part of the Army - if he dated back to WWII era he would've been part of the Army Air Force - maybe he used Army terms while his secretary Knox would use the Air Force terms. The Air Force became their own branch following WWII - around 47 or 48 I believe.

Now we've also heard that upon Killian's death his desk would've been cleaned out by an Master Sgt. (Knox said Killian locked them in a desk drawer) Did some officer secret away the files first? Did the Sgt hold on to the papers or give them to someone?

[Qutzupalotl]

71. It's possible Burkett (or anyone) could have typed them.

The question is how did they do such a good job forging them with a genuine signature but leaving ZERO evidence of forgery. I maintain that would be extremely difficult to do, with all the details, personal feelings and typographic accuracies in these documents and that the simplest explanation is that Killian typed them without Knox' knowledge, perhaps after hours.

You have excellent points about the Army terminology. He could have picked up the jargon without his secretary picking it up, quite true. They could also just be typos (in the case of the abbreviation).

[KurtNYC]

47. "changing a few things here and there to cover their identity "

crucial point in secretary's interview.

Good catch.

[mbali]

53. Why would anyone redo the memos, changing a few things here and there

unless they were the original author?

[Qutzupalotl]

60. She did say that, but the "media consensus" was that they must be

forgeries because they have a superscript.:wtf: It's a laughable proposition, but I'm sure she was influenced by that environment and didn't want to stick her neck out.

[carpetbagger]

7. I think it was a carefully worded memo from higher up.

That would explain the fancy typewriter. Killian asked his superiors for help in trying to make an insubordinate but highly connected loser follow orders. They chose the wording, and sent him a memo for signature.

[Qutzupalotl]

18. The TANG was using IBM Executive typewriters at the time,

which were capable of all the typographic goodies people were up in arms about recently. So no need to even explain the fanciness of the typewriter. They were there and in use. DUer Hubert Flotz has an example in his own military documents.

But your theory of a higher-up being involved is plausible too. I just think the wording is so intimate, informal, personal that it would be consistent with what Killian thought at the time.

I also believe that if I were in the same circumstances, I'd have my secretary type up some CYA memos and I'd make backups for myself without telling her, just in case she turned.

[Gloria]

8. This may be dumb, but if Rather had a case all neatly planned out,

why would he even get involved with 'documents?" Why not just have the secretary on describing her experiences and leave it at that?
The story would be out with a credible witness...even if the RW tried to go after her, most of what she said would still hang around, unencumbered by all this crap about the "forgery" instead of the content.

Kerry finally had some really punchy lines today about the "excuse President" (which I hope he keeps up and starts asking questions like
"what excuse did Bush have for wanting to blocka 911 investigation?" etc, etc.). I'm afraid all documents story is going to drown him out...

[NEDem]

15. maybe

Rather knew that the forgery crap would blow up and he'd then actually have an audience listening when he presented the whole story.

[ClassWarrior]

31. As I said on another thread...

...I get the impression that Knox only came forward after the first story broke to set the record straight.

[DoYouEverWonder]

64. She only came forward yesterday

Her story was first reported in the Dallas Morning News, yesterday (or the day before)

CBS then got a hold of her and flew her to NY for the interview.

[mike_c]

10. notice that no one is really focused on Bush any longer....

The central figures are now Rather, Knox, Killian, and so on. While the media squabbles over what typewriter Killian used 30 years ago, nothing sticks to Bush.

[NEDem]

16. They will be starting Thursday morning. <nt>

[Wednesdays]

37. Already has.

eom

[2Design]

17. great cartoon - alcoholics do that - confuse the facts with chaos

they are well trained in doing that - look at the whole Bush family - they have been getting away with stuff for generations - and they all have children with the same addictive genes

[wabeewoman]

23. Yep, I think that was the plan.....

same thing happened with the swift boat liars, and if you look back everytime an issue comes up the right wing media and white house throw up a smoke screen and everyone seems to buy into it. Kerry hits the nail on the head, its never the excuse president.

[ClassWarrior]

35. No? You dont' think so??

From now on, every story on the documents will have to include this line: "Killian's own secretary believes that they're forgeries, but confirms that the facts contained in them ARE TRUE."

[gollygee]

49. She never said she believed they were forgeries - she just said she didn't

type them.

Not the same thing. Just because they're not what she typed doesn't make them forgeries. He could have typed them himself.

[ClassWarrior]

52. Good point.

Make that change, and my original post still stands.

[PinkTiger]

11. Actually, the simplest explanation is,

that these are copies of the originals done on a computer; some of the details were changed to protect the people who released them from litigation. They know what they are dealing with here; these are the people who have helped many people die. J.H. Hatfield for example.

They knew they would not be verfied as being originals.

This would protect them.

The point is not whether these are authentic originals; the point is that now this is big news and people are talking about it. The more hay that is made, even to discuss CBS's culpability, just brings it to the fore.

Put the Bush team on the defense. Then they are too busy with that to have a good attack.

Great strategy.

[Qutzupalotl]

20. I don't see that as simpler.

It postulates a forger with an agenda and the cleverness to use an early 70's typewriter and an early 70's Xerox machine. I don't think this was done on a computer. It has details that are consistent with typewritten characters.

As far as I know, this isn't a "font" available on a computer anywhere. You'll note the letters leave slightly different impressions and weights each time they strike the page. A font would produce consistent characters each time.

A forgery this good would have to be done by an expert with knowledge of how to mimic early 70's typewritten documents and photocopiers, as well as have intimate knowledge of details and dates surrounding Bush. It's just not likely.

[featherman]

12. This seems the most credible explanation

and until PROVEN untrue cannot and should not be replaced by the wildly LESS credible. That is Investigation 101. Given the content, physical appearance, and signatures the forgery claim is actually quite wild (great for the tin foil hat crowd) and speculative without a credible who, what, where.
At this point the documents stand as genuine and prima facie from Killian until proven otherwise. If this was a will and testament, it would likely stand in court: testimony as to authenticity of signature, testimony that it represents the thoughts of the purported author, testimony and physical evidence that it could have been created at the time and place alleged.

[ArkDem]

65. Thanks for clearing everything up!

[2Design]

13. another thought

this barrett person - might have - just might have redone them - but they are based on real documents - that BushCo destroyed back when they were to be scrubbed -

so since they destroyed them - they know they are fake - but the truth is - they are the truth - reproduced in original form but as a copy

this is why they are fighting so hard - they have lost sight that the only way they could know they are fakes - they destroyed originals

how about that tin foil?????

[Qutzupalotl]

25. The White House hasn't disputed the documents

or their contents. (First lady notwithstanding.)

They know the documents are real and the facts are genuine (and damning). Naturally, they want us to question the documents and ignore the facts. And naturally, they send their attack dogs out into the media and now in Congress, to spread uncertainties without substance or merit.

It's possible someone could have faked them, but they would have to bend over backwards to do it. It's possible Barrett would have the circumstantial facts, but not the graphic expertise to hide cut marks on a signature. That would involve a third party. So I'm sticking to what I see as the simplest explanation for all the details: Killian typed the memos himself and hid them from Knox.

[USA_1]

39. memos

That's the key = Mrs Knox may not have typed them but she agrees that their contents are accurate. If she attests to the fact that the contents are accurate, this proves Bush was AWOL.

Therefore, it's time to IMPEACH BUSH!!!

[2Design]

41. I think at this point they don't want to impeach him - because

the follow on person would give him forgiveness - where as if he is voted out - then he can be charged and brought to justice - maybe even finish out his Guard duty

[Iceburg]

44. Knox said "...changed them enough so that he wouldn't get in trouble ...

Read and view the video for yourself

"You didn't type these memos?" Rather asked Knox on camera.

She replied, "It's not the form I would have used and there are words in there that belong to the Army, not the Air Guard. We never used those terms."

Ms. Knox denies typing "those" memos however states that the core of the information in them is correct. She states that Killian did write a memo "like that", but went on to say "Its seem that somebody did see those memos and then tried to reproduce and maybe changed them enough so that he wouldn't get in trouble over it -- could deny it."

Were the "originals" more invective? Or is trying to recall adverbatim a document from 32 years a bit of a stretch for any mind on this planet? Did RoveInc replace the original with a censured less castigating memo?
-----------------------------------
What is your interpretation of those specific remarks by Ms. Knox?

Link to page containing the CBS 60 minutes video
Bush Memo Info is Accurate ( see left hand side of page -- about 5:20 minutes into the 8:30 minute video)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main6437...

[Qutzupalotl]

63. I think she was speaking to the media backlash about the docs.

So many people were saying they were forgeries at the time (btw, they aren't), that she felt she didn't need to stick her neck out and say they weren't. All she could say is she didn't type them. The rest is speculation on her part. So far I see NO signs of forgery.

Killian typing the memos (or having someone else type them) seems the most likely scenario. The signatures are genuine, after all.

The fact that Army lingo was used and SHE wouldn't have used it is irrelevant, if she didn't type them. Killian could have picked up Army lingo from any number of sources.

[mike_c]

19. for god's sake can't someone do a forensic physical analysis...

...of the documents to determine their likely authenticity independently of the agendas and opinions of people analyzing their content? Is the paper really 30 years old? Laser printers and ink-jets deposit toner and ink in a fundamentally different fashion than an IBM Selectric. Wouldn't a microscopic examination reveal how the letters were put onto the paper, e.g. fused, sprayed, or stamped?

[Qutzupalotl]

21. If the originals surface, we could.

But it's likely someone connected to Bush had them destroyed.

Good suggestions though, for when and if we get them.

[mike_c]

29. oh-- I didn't realize these were copies of the originals, but...

...when were the copies supposed to have been made? If long ago, can't that be verified by paper age, ink fusion quality, or something similar? Surely old photocopies can be distinguished from newer ones. If the copies were made recently, that implies that the originals still exist and are most likely in the hands of the "source" or someone close to him (on edit: or that they're fake, of course).

I don't watch cable TV, so maybe there's some other bit of common knowledge that I'm clueless about? It just seems to me that someone should ask whether the copies themselves are physically consistent with the process by which they supposedly came to light.

[Qutzupalotl]

32. I believe CBS's experts have looked at that

and still stand by the documents. That is, nothing so far is inconsistent with the theory that they are genuine. However, CBS TV doesn't go into a lot of details about stuff like that...time is short, y'know.

My recollection of early 70's Xeroxes is that they were about this poor quality. So my guess is that they were copied back then.

I half wish that CBS would be a little more forthcoming with details such as these, but then I guess they don't want to say more than they have to, given the way the right is parsing everything nowadays. CBS is standing practically alone against the Republican echo chamber in the media.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

54. Don't you know the WH is holding its breath?

They know they took steps to scrub the files, have their fingers crossed they got everything, but don't you know they are scared sh*tless. This issue just won't go away. That's why they do not come right out and refute the documents - because they can't be 100% sure that another copy doesn't exist. Somewhere, someplace, just waiting. Frat Boy Screw-Up has pissed off a lot of people in the past and fully understands the concept of revenge (his family wrote the book). Bush can't go on the record because the minute he does he could get his ass chewed off and handed to him on a platter.

So their game plan is to just keep challenging the documents without saying anything and stall, stall, stall until November 2nd. And the press is playing along with them - except Rather and CBS. There has to be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth of in the West Wing nowadays.

[featherman]

27. certainly certifying originals would be easy

they are likely long gone. Produce the originals and somebody (Bush or CBS) is going down big time. That is the fascinating thing about this.

[Qutzupalotl]

28. If you like this thread, please keep it kicked.

If you REALLY like it, nominate it for the homepage. :D

[mellowinman]

30. Here's the REAL explanation.

Everybody is wrong, except me. I say CBS has the originals, and their source is a top Republican operative, who took them out of Bush's lunchbox. Here is the conversation:

Bush: Has anybody seen those memos?

Staffer: I threw them out.

Bush: You threw them out? How could you do that?

Staffer: I didn't think they were important.

Bush: You didn't think they were important? Do you realize I had my LUNCH wrapped in those papers?

OK, here's another one:

Bush and Cheney walk into a bar, with a Catholic Priest, a Muslim Shoe Bomber, and six of the Founding Fathers. The bartender says "who's getting the first round?" and Ben Franklin says, "in my day, politicians and morons drank free." The bartender says, "well that covers most of you, but who's paying for Hamilton?"

How about one that's actually funny:

Dan Rather's having a hard time finding his watch. He calls the Whitehouse, and instead of getting the chambermaid, he finds he's on the line with Anthony Hopkins. "Have you got the time?" asks Rather, innocently enough. "Maybe, but now that W's got his finger on the button, I don't think you do," replies Hopkins, who is still in character.

[Qutzupalotl]

59. Ahem...I'll assume it was 1:00 a.m. when you wrote this

and let you off the hook...this time.
:)

[Generic Other]

34. Do people write memos labelled CYA for anything other than own record?

These are the kind of documents you are told to start compiling if you complain about a subordinate's behavior, because your superiors get nervous and refuse to back you up for fear that the individual will cause them "legal" problems. The fact that there was a file on Bush meant someone had been collecting information for whatever reason. Killian probably typed these memos because he was afraid that when Bush fucked up, his superiors would blame him. He wanted it clearly documented that he had asked for advice from his chain of command and that he believed there was pressure being applied from above. I bet he was furious that someone as spoiled and stupid as Bush could so easily circumvent the system. I don't think colonels are used to being outranked by retarded little second louies. I suspect they don't like it. He also didn't want to be left with Bush's snot on his face.

[Qutzupalotl]

66. Good points. n/t

[Norbert]

38. I don't buy the "he couldn't type" excuse.

Everybody can type even though some suck at it. It's not like running a sewing machine.

[Qutzupalotl]

67. Indeed.

That would explain the somewhat non-standard formatting, the informal tone, and the so-called "discrepancies" in typing his rank.

[KingofRock]

40. If they were so secret, then how did CBS get them?

These were put out by Rove. They were laid out as bait to make anything anti-Bush look like a lie. Occam's razor would definitley back this.

[Bridget Burke]

46. Then why is anything against Bush looking more true?

The essence of the AWOL story was known before his installment as President, although mostly ignored by the media:

--The fact that he got into the National Guard due to favoritism, in order to avoid the draft (although he did not oppose the war in Vietnam).

--The fact that, once in, he failed to complete his obligation.

All we've gotten are new details, but the whole story has been revived. And Dan Rather has assured us that investigations are ongoing.

[Qutzupalotl]

57. But the documents are genuine.

They can't be reproduced in Word, not exactly. The font isn't available on the PC, as far as I can tell. Each letterform is slightly different, which is consistent with a typewriter of that time. The photocopy degradation is consistent with photocopy equipment of that time. Rove is not that good.

Occam says the simplest explanation is that Killian wrote the memos and signed them without going through Knox.

[mbali]

45. Ms. Knox NEVER said the memos were fakes or forgeries . . .

She just said that SHE did not type them.

RATHER: You've seen the memos that--that we broadcast, these memos that we got.

Ms. KNOX: I did not type those memos.

RATHER: You didn't type these memos?

Ms. KNOX: No. And it's not the form that I would have used. And there are words in there that belong to the Army, not to the Air Guard. We never used those terms.

RATHER: So with these memos, you know that you didn't type them.

Ms. KNOX: I know that I didn't type them. However, the information in those is correct.

RATHER: Few, if any, things that I ask you about will be more important than this point. You say you didn't type these memos. Definitely you didn't type these memos.

Ms. KNOX: Not these particular ones.

RATHER: Did you type ones like this?

Ms. KNOX: Sim--yes.

RATHER: Containing the same or identical information?

Ms. KNOX: The same information, yes.
. . .

RATHER: These memos were not memos that you typed, and you don't in fact think they came directly out of his files?

Ms. KNOX: The information, yes. It--it--its seems that somebody did see those memos, and then tried to reproduce. And--and maybe changed them enough so that he wouldn't get in trouble over it.


Ms. Knox said that it "seems" that "somebody" tried to reproduce the memos, but doesn's say who that "somebody" is. It could very well have been Killian himself. She NEVER said that these memos are forgeries.

It will be interesting to see what new information comes out in the next few days.

[gollygee]

50. THANK YOU ! (m)

She absolutely never called them forgeries. I wish people would stop saying she confirmed they were forgeries because she DIDN'T! She just said she personally didn't type them.

[Wednesdays]

48. Today's press briefing should be interesting...

Given that a lot of the discussion centered around the memos to begin with.

[Qutzupalotl]

70. Scotty just attacked an 83-year-old woman.

What a guy. :eyes:

[Southsideirish]

56. Have it typed in another department by your buddies secretary.

That's what they used to do where I worked when they were doing something really, really private. 'Didn't want it gabbed about by the "locals."

[Qutzupalotl]

58. That's also quite possible.

I believe Killian signed the memos. Whether he was the typist or not, I have no doubt he wrote the contents of the memos.

[rocktivity]

61. Another example of great minds thinking alike

I wrote this earlier today:

It is the secretary's THEORY that the memos are fake...It's just as possible that Killian created (or co-created) the memos himself, and kept them somewhere (or with someone) that the secretary and his family wouldn't know about. And what would his motive be? Making sure that the issue wouldn't come back to haunt him professionally!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Qutzupalotl]

62. Right on!

I like your posts, Rocknation.

[DemDogs]

68. Didn't Killian's widow say

he didn't type? Even so, there is "not a typist" and "never typed at all" I suppose.

[Qutzupalotl]

69. Yes, she did.

And as you suggest, there's typing and then there's typing. :)

It's quite possible that he would not want to be seen near a typewriter so that nobody would suspect he was keeping backups of his CYA memos.

[David Zephyr]

72. It Just Makes the Most Sense.

I'm certain he typed them himself. Good for you, NRK.

[AirAmFan]

73. Congratulations! You've given us the simplest explanation consistent with

the most important known facts:

(1) No one has questioned the authenticity of Killian's signature on the documents.

(2) Killian's secretary says the documents are not formatted the way she would have typed them.

(3) She also says the sentiments in the documents are accurate, and that Killian often complained publicly about the problems he was having getting Dubya to comply with Guard requirements.

The simplest explanation is that Killian typed the documents himself! You even refer to "Occam's razor" in your post! Excellent work.

I wonder whether any reporters have followed up with Mrs. Knox to verify this line of thought: She should be asked,

"Do you know what brand and model of typewriters were available in Killian's office and in the areas where you and any other nearby clerical staff worked? Do you have any documents that you typed on these machines in 1972-74? Do you recall typing memos with the same substance regarding Dubya's behavior as the memos CBS acquired? Could some of the CBS memos be earlier drafts of official memos you typed and processed?"

Other thoughts:

(1) A few days ago, a DUer who was a long time superior officer in the military posted that people like Killian saved FOREVER EVERYTHING related to possibly controversial personnel decisions and evaluations. Officers never knew when something they'd done or written up to 20 years before would become relevant to a former subordinate's promotion or career path. I wonder, when Killian died, what other TANG officers would have become involved in retrieving and saving Killiian's "P-file" for future use? Was there an official or informal policy at TANG on this? Had other superior TANG officers died before or after Killian? What happened to THEIR P-files?

(2) Killian may have typed and signed SEVERAL drafts of important memos relating to dereliction of duty by the son of an important Congressman and RNC executive. Killian may have approached other officers to lend him examples of memos they wrote in similar situations involving other problem soldiers. He may have started with language he got from others that did not match precisely the language Mrs Knox would have used.