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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:33 PM
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Can Lucy Ramirez be Lucia Ramirez?
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 09:52 PM by Geek_Girl
The New York Post recently wrote about a rumor that Roger Stone was involved in the forged CBS Memos http://www.nypost.com/commentary/30555.htm

"The hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas Air National Guard "memos."

Roger Stone is a well known dirty trickster republican operative that lives and operates out of Miami Fl.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0416/barrett.php

After doing a little investigating on the Internet I came across an interesting person named Lucia Ramirez who was involved drug laundering scam in Miami Fl in 1996.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=11th&navby=case&no=9912108OPN
In February of 1995, BankAtlantic acquired MegaBank, a Dade County commercial bank, in order to create an international division. MegaBank's international division was headed by Piedad Ortiz, and after the acquisition, she became Vice President of BankAtlantic's international division. Ortiz had overseen approximately 1100 accounts at MegaBank, and she continued this supervision at BankAtlantic. Shortly after acquiring MegaBank, BankAtlantic conducted an internal audit of its new international division, and this audit revealed suspicious practices. A private pouch service made regular deliveries addressed to "BankAtlantic, International Division, Attention Ms. Piedad Ortiz." These pouches, which were uninsured, contained large amounts of checks, money orders and negotiable instruments along with deposit and transfer instructions. The pouches originated from a private courier service-discretely located in the back of another business-in Bogota, Columbia, and the checks and other instruments transported in the pouches were from various locations in the United States, including New York and New Jersey. BankAtlantic discovered that Ortiz and her assistant, Lucia Ramirez (who had also joined BankAtlantic as part of the MegaBank acquisition), were responsible for initiating and maintaining this pouch service.


The attorney general at the time Janet Reno has a mention of it in the Annual 1996 Department of Justice Report.
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/annualreports/ar96/96agannl.pdf

http://www.hri.org/docs/USSD-INCSR/96/OtherUS/DEA.html
On June 5, 1996, the Colombian National Police, as part of a joint investigation with the DEA Bogota, Colombia Country Office and the Miami Field Division, conducted a total of 38 raids in Bogota, Medellin and Cali, Colombia. Six defendants were arrested in Colombia and 123 bank accounts were frozen. At the same time, the Miami FD, arrested 4 defendants, including the target of the investigation, Blanca Ortiz-Piedad, who is a branch manager of Bank Atlantic in Miami, Florida. Approximately 1,100 accounts at the bank were frozen by the DEA Miami Field Division. These arrests and seizures were the result of a 5-month investigation by the Miami FD and the Bogota Country Office

This may be a possible connection or just coincidence. If their really is a Lucy Ramirez and thats a big IF and Roger Stone is involved I could see this could be the person. There is definitely motive here. She gets busted by the Clinton Administration's Justice Department and being high up on the chain at the Atlantic bank I'm sure she would have all kinds of political connection in Miami.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:40 PM
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1. I think this is the same woman
there is a picture of her shaking hands with someone.
http://www.eximbankindia.com/press020215.html
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:47 PM
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2. No
That's not her thats Marta Lucia Ramirez she is the Colombian Minister of National Defense.

http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Feb2003/030213-D-2987S-003.html
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 09:50 PM
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3. Any way to connect her to Armando Gutierrez?
Gutierrez is the link between Stone and the Cuban community. Armando Gutierrez lead the Cubans in the Miami Riot and he was Elian Gonzalez's spokesman.

If we can find a link between Lucia and Armando, we might be able to get somewhere?

BTW: Thanks for the info and welcome to DU :hi:

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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:05 PM
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4. Thanks
Thank you for the info also.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:09 PM
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5. There's a Lucy Sherman who lives in Baytown, a Houston suburb
whose maiden name happens to be Ramirez:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:eMhPrP1geRIJ:www.angelfire.com/hiphop/kinghigh65/paidfees2004.html+lucy+ramirez+sherman&hl=en

Didn't Burkett say the woman lived in the Houston area?
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:43 PM
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6. Here is what Burkett said in the USA Today article
Edited on Thu Sep-23-04 10:44 PM by Geek_Girl
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-21-cover-guard_x.htm

Burkett's emotions varied widely in the interviews. One session ended when Burkett suffered a violent seizure and collapsed in his chair. Earlier, he said he was coming forward now to explain what he had done and why to try to salvage his reputation. In the past week, Burkett was named by many news reports as the probable source of the documents.

"It's time," Burkett said. "I'm tired of me being the bad guy. I'm tired of losing everything we've got," a reference to his financial and health struggles since he left the Guard. Turning to his wife, Nicki, he said: "We've lost it all, baby. We've lost everything."

Sitting in a rocking chair in his weathered ranch house south of Baird, Texas, Burkett recounted his continuing efforts — beginning before he was discharged from the Texas Army National Guard in 1998 — to clean up what he saw as Guard corruption and mismanagement. He said that activity led to a telephone call in March from Ramirez and her offer to provide documents damaging to President Bush.

Burkett said Ramirez told him she had seen him the previous month in an appearance on the MSNBC program Hardball, discussing the controversy over whether Bush fulfilled all his obligations for service in the Texas Air Guard during the early 1970s. "There is something I have that I want to make sure gets out," he quoted her as saying.

He said Ramirez claimed to possess Killian's "correspondence file," which would prove Burkett's allegations that Bush had problems as a Guard fighter pilot.

Burkett said he arranged to get the documents during a trip to Houston for a livestock show in March. But instead of being met at the show by Ramirez, he was approached by a man who asked for Burkett, handed him an envelope and quickly left, Burkett recounted.

"I didn't even ask any questions," Burkett said. "Should I have? Yes. Maybe I was duped. I never really even considered that."

By Monday, USA TODAY had not been able to locate Ramirez or verify other details of Burkett's account. Three people who worked with Killian in the early 1970s said they don't recognize her name. Burkett promised to provide telephone records that would verify his calls to Ramirez, but he had not done so by Monday night.

An acquaintance of Burkett, who he said could corroborate his story, said he was at the livestock show on March 3. The woman, who asked that her name not be used, said Burkett asked if he could put papers inside a box she had at the livestock show. Often, she said, friends ask to store papers in her box that verify their purchases at the livestock auction. She said she did not know the nature of the papers Burkett gave her, and he did not say anything about them.

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It looks like from what he says she contacted him by phone but he never actually met her. Instead the documents were given to him by a man in Houston.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:16 AM
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16. Geek_Girl
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.


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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 09:29 AM
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17. OK I only posted about a 1/4 the article
but next time I'll keep it down to 4 paragraphs
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:44 PM
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7. Maybe It's Richard Ramirez's Sister....
The Night Stalker dude....
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:47 PM
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9. Drowning in red herrings here...
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:46 PM
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8. I think you guys are chasing a dead end, this womans real name
would surely not have been used, the amount of women with that particular name is vast, a good one to use, since this was obviously a set up, I would not count on this womens name being real at all..
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 10:48 PM
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10. Lucy Ramirez is...


... take a polygraph Burkett and settle a lot of questions.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-04 11:57 PM
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11. On Law and Order they order the phone records
Pull financial records.

who is investigating this? could be worse than watergate
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 04:06 AM
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13. Actually, shouldn't it be George W Bush
who needs to take a polygraph?

If George Bush would just answer the questions, since he can't provide any 'proof' that he served in AL and fulfilled his commitment, this whole thing could be resolved. Only Bush knows what really happened during that time. Just make him answer the damn questions.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 12:01 AM
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12. I now doubt Burkett's entire story
I really don't think there was "Lucy Ramirez" who contacted Burkett, nor do I think that a mysterious associate passed off the documents to Burkett at a livestock festival.

I'm not eliminating the possibility that Rove has played some role in all of this, but it's clear that Burkett is just bad news.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 08:23 AM
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14. I thought the same thing at first but,
Think about it, Burkett is the PERFECT PATSY! :hurts:

He has health problems physically and mentally he been on the talk show circuit making all kinds of allegations about Bush's National Guard Record that he can't prove, because he's basically a media whore. If I was an evil Genius :evilgrin: i.e. Karl Rove and I wanted to through a major smoke screen on the National Guard Record's story he would be the Perfect candidate to deliver the forged documents not to mention he knows Dan Rather personally.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 08:27 AM
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15. I have one question for Burkett?
Does he have caller ID? If so that may be why he thinks her name is Lucy Ramirez. What is needed is Phone records. If anyone sees anything about Burkett's phone records post it here. I would appreciate it.
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