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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:00 AM Original message |
Poll question: Did you know that there was no threat from Iraq before the war? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Your personal attack aside, you're wrong. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Listening when? |
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JSJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. attacks on nations over unknowns is very wrong nt |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:55 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. No war in 2002 |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Allow me to point you to Ritter's own pre-IWR words. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:57 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. What about his 1998 words? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:07 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. "What changed in those 4 years?" Well, for one thing, shelf life of WMD. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. I'm talking about a resolution |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. We lost at the U.N. The world community DIDN'T think Iraq was a threat. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:27 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Oh I've asked the UN to invade |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:34 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. "I've asked the UN to invade" - really? That's actually very admirable! |
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deckerd (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 06:03 AM Response to Reply #39 |
97. We-ell, you know... we all wanna contain Hussein. |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Well, Powell specifically stated in February of 2001 that they posed |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Ah yes. I could have gone to the horse's mouth. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Sanctions were deteriorating |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:27 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Ummm no, sanctions were not "deteriorating" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:30 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Oh lord |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. You'll need to flesh that out more to have it be an adequate rebuttal. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:44 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. That was unintentional |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. So let's see you post an article prepared by groups that |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:48 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. I should get right wing links?? |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:52 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. You obviously have missed the fact that there was FULL |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. 20/20 hindsight national security |
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ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:45 AM Response to Reply #64 |
72. LOL, it's not 20/20 hindsight if I was saying the same thing in 2001 |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. Not to mention the continuing US/UK war on Iraq 1990--2003 |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 07:08 AM Response to Reply #48 |
75. From your second link: |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:18 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. You are right - |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Not before the IWR |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:44 AM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Well, here's a smidgen of evidence to support my argument. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. You're intentionally obscuring the two |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Interesting points. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:11 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Well this is interesting |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. The more they inspected, the more Hussein complied, the less the "danger". |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Of the war, or the vote? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:11 AM Response to Reply #15 |
35. Are you saying we should attack or invade because Iran might get a nuke? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:23 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Sure you don't |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. No, I literally could not figure out what you were asking. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:42 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. You just refuse to deal with reality |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:50 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. See post #56 before you decide I'm delusional. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:43 AM Response to Reply #42 |
56. AH! Now I understand the question. Duh. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:55 AM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Level of threat |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:04 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. If it makes you feel better: I knew, but only with a 95% certainty... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:16 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You suspected |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:51 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. The original post was NOT about knowing there was no WMD |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 07:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. THANK you. I thought I made it clear as glass what I was saying. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Hey, I don't KNOW |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Alot can happen in 4 years |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Hey, at one time the Icelanders |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Oh, I disagree |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
41. "The post refers to the vote" |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Two different scenarios |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. After Blix had got in, and found nothing |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. "before the IWR" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:59 AM Response to Reply #16 |
67. I'm asking about both. |
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mazzarro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. This is the most asinine commentary that I have read in a while. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Likely because you're clairvoyant |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Just because you don't know something |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. The war or the vote? |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. We knew that Iraq wasn't a threat to the United States. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:59 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Nuclear proliferation is good with you? |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
47. Ignorance is no justification for war |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
66. Gee, that's what I said |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
61. I knew that whether there were WMD or NOT, Iraq was NOT a threat. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:00 AM Response to Reply #61 |
68. What about the Iraqis? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:51 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. I don't think we want to start invading |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 07:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. nor any sort of moral rationale to do so |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
65. apparently you need a new deffinition of threat |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, I knew that Bush* and Co. |
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KT2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
3. We also knew and discussed |
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SoCalDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. Yes I did |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Or maybe |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
5. It was pretty clear listening to Scott Ritter and others.... |
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sr_pacifica (775 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
10. I listened to BBC |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
38. I strongly suspected that Iraq posed no danger, however, |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
52. The only thing we have to fear is the fear mongers themselves! |
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RafterMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
53. Thank you!! |
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gohawks (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
63. Gee.. I wonder who the ONE No Vote was from... eom |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 06:23 AM Response to Reply #63 |
71. I didn't vote |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 07:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. "Nobody could know anything in 2002" - you're STILL wrong. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
79. There's a mathematical definition, and an engineering definition |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Ha ha, excellent analogy. |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
81. If Saudi and Iran weren't afraid of Saddam, why were we? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:47 PM Response to Reply #82 |
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LastDemStanding (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:59 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Prove you wrong |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 05:39 AM Response to Reply #86 |
95. You missed my point-- sorry |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. You shouldn't have bothered. That asshole was a Freeper. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. So what? The Saudis were handing out twice that-- |
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LastDemStanding (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 09:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Not "so what" |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 05:01 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. So why not go after the big money first? |
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no name no slogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 05:50 AM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Kill one, spawn ten more. That's no solution |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:05 AM Response to Reply #82 |
91. So we went to war for Israel? |
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Nicholas_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
85. In fact |
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cheshire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
87. Yes and so did the little turd. * |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-04 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
89. Yes I knew |
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MissMarple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
92. There was just too much information denying imminent threat. |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #92 |
104. Yes, I agree |
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nomatrix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:50 AM Response to Original message |
93. Bush quotes on Iraq before 9/11/01 |
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michigandem2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
99. I was actually really foggy back then |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Your honesty is commendable. |
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Rambis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. There is a correlation between seeing or hearing * and red arse |
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DemFromMem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
102. I was duped (please don't flame me) |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. See post #100. I've been in the same boat. |
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Minimus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
105. i abhorred the idea of attacking a country that did not have the means |
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jsw_81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
106. There was NEVER a threat from Iraq |
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stevielizard (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-04 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
107. yes- sometime in early 2001 I googled |
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