CBS(scientific poll) Edwards clear winner with uncommitted voters

[underpants]

I loved it when Jennings had to admit that the ABC poll (Dick 43-Edwards 35%) was skewed towards Republicans. Here is *GASP* scientific poll:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/05/opinion/polls/main647648.shtml

Immediately after the debate, CBS News interviewed a nationally representative sample of 178 debate watchers assembled by Knowledge Networks who were "uncommitted voters" – voters who are either undecided about who to vote for or who have a preference but say they could still change their minds.


WHO WON THE DEBATE?
(Uncommitted Voters Who Watched Debate)

Edwards
41%
Cheney
28%
Tie
31%

OPINIONS OF THE CANDIDATES AFTER DEBATE
(Uncommitted Voters Who Watched Debate)

Edwards
Changed for the better
49%
Changed for the worse
14%
No change
37%

Cheney
Changed for the better
32%
Changed for the worse
15%
No change
53%


Eighty-two percent of tonight’s uncommitted viewers said Edwards shared their priorities for the country, nearly twice the number who said this about Cheney. The Vice President did receive higher scores on leadership qualities from tonight’s uncommitted viewers, but majorities said both candidates had strong qualities of leadership.

[lancdem]

1. I just saw that ABC poll

and noticed it has 7 percent more Repukes. Hey, even if the polls aren't 100 percent in Edwards' favor, we're still in good shape.

[progressivebydesign]

4. I have no clue why they always oversample Republicans..

.. when it's the Democrats that vote in larger numbers, AND are kicking butt in registering new voters. But.. hey, I'll take the results, they are just even more convincing when the poll is skewed against Dems.

[lancdem]

10. I wonder if their tracking poll is oversampling Repukes

you know, the one with Bush ahead by 6? I'll bet it does.

[MallRat]

5. Everyone is reporting the 7-point GOP skew in ABC's poll.

It's good to see a little honesty.

For example, AP:

"Both candidates got some encouragement from post-debate polls. Cheney fared best in an ABC News poll of a Republican-leaning group of registered voters who watched the debate, with 43 percent giving Cheney the edge, while 35 percent said Edwards won."

-MR

[Lex]

2. kick

:kick:

[gratuitous]

3. Nice wins over nasty

When you're talking about uncommitted voters.

[progressivebydesign]

7. That has been my point!

Cheney, because of Bush's angry behavior, really needed to come off as the nice guy.. or at least the gentleman. Instead, he was a total prick.

[Lex]

11. UNcommitted voters are really the ones we need at this point.

We need all the voters who haven't made up their minds yet (even though that seems crazy that they haven't).

This poll illustrates that Edwards did exactly what needed to be done.

[underpants]

9. Mine too-Edwards has always been liked for being positive

or at least not campaigning negative. I thought that was the reason he was put on the ticket and I think I am right on that.

[Philostopher]

6. Perception.

It's where the rubber hits the road. Edwards managed to shake off the 'Democratic Dan Quayle' tag the GOP has been trying to affix on him for months now. Even if you thought it was a draw, they'd spent so much time hammering him because he hasn't served half his adult life in Washington, and happens to be an attractive man -- calling it a draw makes it a perceptual win for Edwards.

I was a little uneasy about things when the debate ended, but that CBS poll proved what I hoped -- even if the debate is called by many as a draw, that the expectations were low for Edwards is a net win for him. Hell, if he didn't beg for his mommy and weep openly, as low as they set the bar for him, it helps the campaign.

[underpants]

8. I thought Cheney was very touched by Edwards comments on his daughter

See I could have put that mean and nasty but I didn't.

The "lull" that some thought was the second half of (actually last quarter) of the debate was really the wind being sucked out of Cheney's sail. Edwards hit him the the hardest velvet glove anyone has ever seen.

[Kolesar]

14. That's what I felt. After that moment, the debate really changed

Early on, those two men were almost seething with hatred toward each other. Those Iraq questions were the hottest of the debate.

[spooky3]

19. agreed

[Philostopher]

24. I think you're right.

I was surprised I had to explain it to the Mr. -- he noticed the wind went out of Cheney's sails, but he honestly didn't realize how disarmed the (polite and not the least bit ad hominem) mention of Mary left Cheney. Even his opponents are, ultimately, disarmed by Edwards -- he's no Breck Girl, that's for damned sure!

[fiorello]

25. Democratic Dan Quayle? This year's Dan Quayle is George W.

[Philostopher]

31. That was the GOP talking point on Edwards.

Once again, their hubris bit them in the ass.

[LuminousX]

30. Even if it was a draw, that means Edwards is equal to Cheney

in the eyes of the voters, which is a big boost. Cheney with his years of service can't crush a newbie like Edwards? Edwards must have a lot of gravitas for a 29 year old man.... what do you mean he's in his fifties... wtf? How old is Cheney? 63, good god!

[Philostopher]

32. The most stunning thing I saw last night

was the photo of the handshake that Skinner used in the opening post of one of the 'live debate threads' last night. No wonder Cheney didn't want to be required to shake hands with Edwards (that was the rumor, anyway) -- he knew that, for being just over a decade older than Edwards, his appearance would not reflect well on him.

I looked at that and called the Mr. over and said, 'would you look at this? Twelve years, I think, between the two of them. Is that even possible?'

It's stunning, it really is.

[HFishbine]

12. Hey Underpants, you got Michael Moore in trouble

He's trying to give you away to people who register to vote.

[underpants]

13. Huh?

I don't follow

[HFishbine]

15. You didn't know?

LANSING, Mich. (AP) - Republicans say filmmaker Michael Moore should be prosecuted for offering underwear, potato chips and Ramen noodles to college students in exchange for their promise to vote.

more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20041005/D85HJ9U80.html

[underpants]

17. That is funny

God I love Moore. That does sound a bit like bribery but in reality (remember that?) it was a JOKE!

Geesh Repubs have NO sense of humor.

[calimary]

16. LOL!

NO! He can't! Underpants is OURS!

[underpants]

18. But I CAN be leased for short periods of time

Every man has a price. Mine is low.

Just kidding of course.....my wife will accept no binding bids though.

[spooky3]

21. but are you clean?

[underpants]

23. Well I wash my feet every Sunday

That was an old joke in my family with one of my uncles. We all thought it was really funny. For the life of me I can't understand why now.

[bloom]

20. It does seem that it was Edwards to either win or lose

I'm glad he came off favorably. :bounce:

[Polemonium]

22. I'll try and stay away from the oxymoron scientific polling

And say hurray for our guy, and PLLLLBBBBBBTTTTTTT to the devil guy

[liberal N proud]

26. The undicideds are the ones that count here.

It is important that they make their minds up. The rest of us already know who is the only man for the job.

[underpants]

28. These are "uncommitted"s

They aren't completely without an opinion and may be leaning one way or the other but they are open to changing their minds. That is better than just swaying the undecideds.

[JI7]

27. it seemed Cheney was too personal in his attacks

many times he would just throw out mean nasty comments about how edwards probably wasn't there or about kerry's "many" positions on the war.the fact that he wasn't talking about anything specific but would just throw out those comments made them look like personal attacks. and of course he had that ugly sniveling look on his face the whole time.edwards on the other hand kept the criticism on issues and give examples of it. he didn't just throw out empty attacks like they aren't being truthful. he would specifically mention what they were not truthful about such as saddam 9/11 connection.


and watch edwards and see how he never took anything personally. this was something kerry was good at in his debate and hopefully he keeps it up. but when they are criticized they did not let it get to them. you could not see it on their face if they were angry or upset in any way.

[underpants]

29. Edwards-the Velvet hammer

His answer on gay marriage was accurate to their position and it seemed to really touch Cheney. Cheney had nothing left until his closing statement.