We need to put up someone to run against DIANE FEINSTEIN

[laugle]

It's bad enough that her husband is profiting from his contract in Iraq. Now I read in GD & P that she will vote for the Boulton nomination. I had always supported her, but can think of nothing she has done for California. Can't vote for her any longer. SHE MUST GOOOOOOOO!!!E-MAIL = [e-mail]...tell her to vote NO on BOULTON!!!!

[Guckert]

1. She wants Bush's boy to make a complete ass of himself for the next three

years, along with the rest of the cabinet of idiots. then the Dems will win 76% of the vote in 08.

[bertha katzenengel]

2. Are you a constituent? Call her and tell her you do not WANT her to

vote for the guy: 202-224-3841

[laugle]

4. Thanks, I already e-mailed her and

I added it to my post. And yes I am certainly a constituent and live near the San Francisco area and she was a good mayor, and I had high hopes for her, but am very disappointed with her as a senator.

[bertha katzenengel]

9. Cool.

I voted for her for Governor way back when, when we got Re-Pete. :grr:

Wish I could still vote in CA. Alas, I've moved to MD.

[Zhade]

36. Like she listens!

How many of us begged her not to vote for the war, or Negroponte, for example?

Replacing her with a real Democrat is probably easier than getting her corporatist, Margaret Thatcher-loving, war-profiteering ass to change.

I'm willing and ready to donate to her challenger. To hell with Feinstein.

[LaPera]

3. Yeah, so a republican can win. Get Fucking Real!

That's absolutely what will happen...the republicans just stole the CA Secretary of States office a few month's ago, it was in Democrat's hands and Rove did his little dirty work...now an appointed republican Sec. of State will be in charge of counting the votes (like in Florida & Ohio) don't be surprised by the outcome in 2006.

The Dem Sec. of state refused most of the electronic voting machines, and didn't want any more of the republican owned machines in the state...But the republican coup is now coming to roost... The appointed republican Sec. of State is letting (BBV) them in by the truckloads, all over the state...The whole look of California voting will be changed in time for the 2006 election...of course Arnold is ALL for it and says nothing...AS WE ALL SLEEP!!!

[Melodybe]

5. Martin Sheen should run!

He would kick her ass and any repug running.

[LaPera]

8. Martin Sheen... and other Democrat celebrities would be GREAT!

Warren Beatty, George Clooney, Alec Baldwin, all big time democrats!

And in this day in age, is the only way to defeat the republicans and their owned electronic voting machine...We've got to win big or those voting machines WILL distort and corrupt the vote.

Sadly, people do indeed react to celebrities, republicans have known and used it for years...dems are just starting to understand it.

[laugle]

13. Now your talking!! Beat those

bastard at there own game. Don't be like me and finally wake up after 35 years to find that we still are voting for people who have there own agenda and are not doing the work of the PEOPLE! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

[laugle]

11. LOL, and Warren Beatty too!!!

We must stop electing lousy people just because they are democrats....I can't do it anymore...we must find better candidates when they do a lousy job. It will send a very STRONG MESSAGE. Otherwise, it will be SAME OLD CRAP IN THE CONGRESS!!!

[LaPera]

23. "Number One Democrat" is astute, aware and intelligent as well as

compassionate for FDR ideology, he's a good man, a fine Democrat, who has helped as far back as I can recall, with the McGovern campaign.

I don't think Beatty should be simply laughed off. In these trying times, sometimes, one has to fight fire with FIRE!

He would give Musclehead -- and the republicans money and their corporate owned media machine a run for their money.

If not, don't expect boring light weights such as Westly & Angelides, to get much more than their happily 48% and 'we'll get them next time" speeches, (even with all the Union help that will come their way).

The undecided, moderates & non-ideological voter will vote for the action hero. That's the hard reality most won't face.

Arnold is god...and the future of the republican party...He can not lose! Rove has plans for the fascist musclehead, and electronic voting machines will more than likely assure these plans.

Arnold is showing his true corporate fascist colors, enough so his handlers & backers will do what BushCo needs to control America.

A man and celebrity like Beatty could fuck up those plans...Surely Westly & Angelides won't...They will get just do well enough to get Arnold re-elected and on his way.

[laugle]

24. Thanks for your very thoughtful posts,

You do seem to be very up on California issues. But I think you like many others in our party seem to think that Rove, and gang are these unbeatable magicians. I don't believe it for one minute. I have no doubt we could kick AAnold's butt and will. But my main gripe is Feinstein. I have been a huge supporter of her for many years, but can't think of one accomplishment for our state she has achieved. This is her second term and nada, zip. So I would very much like to have an alternative, obviously not a pub. Any suggestions?

[LaPera]

26. Electronic voting machines, will prove you wrong.

As much as you want to believe its an open forum of ideas and VOTE that we can beat this machine, your wrong.

It's tactics, my friend and because as slimy as it is ...We must bring forth candidates who can WIN...

Do you think for a moment if we had less than (as you see it) credible democrats in the House, as the simply majority, we couldn't bring impeachment proceedings?

Of course we could...

Yes, I was born & raised in SF and have lived my whole life in Northern California...I see how the republican fascist are slowly moving in Arnold's direction...a bullshit election over Gray Davis via Enrons, Texas, Bush, Roves run...then they steal the Secretary of States office...juct coincidence, right, Now this appointed Republican fuck counts the vote, brings in the machines, again coincidence?

Get real...

I need not go on...If it takes a Democratic celebrity to stop Arnold and the fascist (though you don't see it, blindly, you preach)...or my ex Mayor Fienstein as creepy as she is...We must stand together....

They fucking stole our election in CA...Have you forgotten?

[laugle]

27. I don't appreciate that "preaching" comment

it really is quite rude. I too am very cynical, especially with regard to electronc voting. But I believe in California we will have a paper trail. I'm not worried about it. However, I do think there is a huge problem with voting nationally. Instead of complaining, why don't you work toward election reform? Also, it seems you don't think much of Diane either so what is the argument?

[Freddie Stubbs]

58. He's too chicken to run against Arnold

And DiFi is much more popular than Arnold.

[Hippo_Tron]

49. I'd come to Cali to wave "Bartlet for US Senate" signs, but...

I think that Martin Sheen has absolutely no interest in elected office.

[laugle]

7. I've been voting now for 35 years and

am tired of voting for a lousy person just because they are a democrat. The congress is just the worst ever. That's why I say we need to find better people to run in our party or heaven forbid an independent....

[Cascadian]

67. I agree!

The time has come for people to wake up and realize you are not going to get change from a politican just because they happen to have a "d" at the end of their names. Feinstein among many others have voted to go along with the Neocon agenda and therefore aren't worthy of holding that seat. The lesser of two evils is not going to cut it anymore. I think more people would vote if the those Democratic lawmakers started to oppose and fight the Republicans more than they are now. I went along with voting for Kerry the last time and he tried to act like a Republican. I am not doing that again. It's time for the Democratic Party to clean house and get rid of the DINOs. Maybe then people will have a good reason to vote for somebody with a "D" at the end of their names.


John

[SteveIrving1]

41. There are all ready state Laws preventing BBV

http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1438&sess=PREV&house=B&site=sen

SB 1438, Johnson. Elections: voting systems.
Existing federal law, the Help America Vote Act of 2002, requires,
among other things, that each voting system used in an election for
federal office produce a permanent paper record with an audit
capacity for that system, allow the voter to verify his or her votes
before the voter's ballot is cast, and be accessible for individuals
with disabilities. The act provides funding for these purposes.
Existing law requires the Secretary of State to establish the
specifications and the regulations governing voting machines, voting
devices, and any software used, including the programs and procedures
for vote tabulating and testing. The Secretary of State may not
approve any voting system that does not fulfill statutory and
regulatory requirements. Existing law also requires the Secretary of
State to adopt rules and regulations governing any voting technology
or systems used in the state that provide blind and visually
impaired individuals with access that is equivalent to that provided
to individuals who are not blind or visually impaired.
This bill would prohibit, on and after January 1, 2005, the
Secretary of State from approving a direct recording electronic
voting system that does not include an accessible voter verified
paper audit trail, and prohibit, on and after January 1, 2006, a city
or county from contracting for or purchasing a direct recording
electronic voting system that does not include an accessible voter
verified paper audit trail. In addition, the bill would require
that, as of January 1, 2006, all direct recording electronic voting
machines in use on that date, regardless of when contracted for or
purchased, shall have received federal qualification, as defined, and
shall include an accessible voter verified paper audit trail.
This bill would require that to the extent that they are available
for the purposes of this article, federal funds or the Voting
Modernization Fund, a special fund, shall be used. The bill would
prohibit the expenditure of General Fund moneys for these purposes.
By increasing the duties of local elections officials, the bill
would impose a state-mandated local program.
The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local
agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the
state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that
reimbursement.
This bill would provide that the Legislature finds there is no
mandate contained in the bill that will result in costs incurred by a
local agency or school district for a new program or higher level of
service which require reimbursement pursuant to these constitutional
and statutory provisions.

[sce56]

6. Got this email from MoveOn

Dear MoveOn member,
If you can call your Senator in the next two hours, (before 6:00 pm EST) you could help block the confirmation of John Bolton to be the United States' Ambassador to the United Nations.

We apologize for the short time frame, but tonight's vote has dramatically tightened in the last hour. We are now short one vote from one Democratic Senator needed to initiate a filibuster and push back Bolton's nomination.

Your senator is one of only 5 Democrats who have not committed to stopping Bolton, but they are still weighing the facts and their constituents opinions and your calls in these last 2 hours could push them over the top. Please call right now:


Senator Dianne Feinstein
Phone: [phone]


Then, please report your call by clicking here:

http://www.moveonpac.org/call?tg=FSCA_1&cp_id=33&id=5579-3303445-K6LgJMsXz862ZKIrAmzf1g

Just tell who ever answers the phone something like:

"Hi, my name is _________ and I live in __________ and I am calling to urge Senator ___________ to stand up for America's role as a respected leader in the world, and block the confirmation of John Bolton for UN Ambassador."

her phone is busy busy busy keep them calls coming!!!!!!

[laugle]

10. Thanks for the GREAT LINK!!!

I'm calling right now....lets get busy!!!

[sce56]

12. Just got off the phone with her LA office she is going to vote against him

according to her staff!!!!!!!!!!

[laugle]

14. Damm, DU'ers do have POWER!!!!!

[laugle]

15. Fantastic Link!!! Can you

post this link in General Discussion and Politics. She will get a zillion calls. Others were calling direct and not getting through. I just used your link and had no problem. Please post it in GD & P. Thanks. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!

[Rowdyboy]

16. Damn right! We have WAAAAYYYYY too many Democratic senators already

Lets get rid of her and Biden/Lieberman/Bayh/Nelson/Nelson/Landrieu/Pryor/Salazar/Lincoln/Conrad and Clinton and all the rest of the DLC/DINO/Republicanlite assholes...

Okay, so we're down to only 32 Democratic senators now but, by God, they're mostly good reliable liberals!

[laugle]

17. No, lets get better democrats

hey, stop bagging on Hillary. HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!! I miss clinton, aw the days of Monica.....remember, when that was all we had to worry about?

[LaPera]

18. Hillary is NOT Bill.

She does not have Bill's charisma, nor shown the same political brilliance as Bill Clinton.

Hillary is also a woman, which makes absolutely no difference to me.

However, it will to many voters and the republicans will eat her alive.

[laugle]

20. Ever hear the slogan "get two for the price of one"

If we all buy into that propaganda crap about Hillary we are dead in the water. She's a woman, she's too liberal, yada, yada, yada.......

[yurbud]

39. Even at height of GOP attacks in 90s, Hillary topped most admired polls

I find her a bit bland and too accommodationist with big business, but if you put her in a debate with Bill Frist or Jeb, she won't be the one who runs off the stage in tears.

She would bitch slap either of them and make them her hos.

[Rowdyboy]

19. I admire both Hillary Clinton and Diane Feinstein

and don't see a major difference between them. Both are DLC, both ae moderate-centrist liberals, and both take tons of corporate money.

Why do you have such respect for one, and disdain for the other?

[LaPera]

21. Very good point...

Though, I'm very liberal and I have a hard time with both Senators (as well as all moderates in general).

Still, and again, a very good point.

[Rowdyboy]

22. Well, think about it...Are there issue where HRC and DF disagree?

Or is it just a personality thing....

[EFerrari]

56. How is wooing anti-choice democrats and supporting an illegal

war "moderate"? I don't know much about Clinton, but from the little I know, they didn't throw away the mold after they made Feinstein.

If an old rollerskate runs against Feinstein, it's got my vote. The worst that would happen it that we'd get an actual Republican who won't be as well connected to the Defense industry as she is.

[laugle]

25. First of all I respect both Hillary and Diane,

I am a constituent of Diane and simply think she is doing a lousy job for California. Hillary, is of course a Senator for N.Y. and her constituents seem to think she is doing an excellent job for N.Y. Personally, I think she is a brilliant woman and would make a very fine president or V.P. In a very short time in the congress, she seems to have garnered repect from both parties. That in itself is a major feat. I am very issue oriented and don't expect to agree with everything a candidate says. I don't vote based on personality, charisma, or looks. I just wish more people were that way. Thanks for your reply.

[Panda1]

28. No, we don't.

Why not go after some Republican seats instead?
I'll keep Feintstein, thank you very much.

[maveric]

29. Juan Vargas should run. State rep from San Diego.

Harvard educated, was also a seminarian student. Smart, vibrant, energetic, great charisma.
Juan will take the blue vote as well as the Latino.
He did more to improve the City of San Diego as a city councilman than any other of the well-fed white guy repugs on the council.
He loves to piss off the RW too.

[Freddie Stubbs]

30. So far no Democrat has had the balls to challenge her

And I doubt that any credible Democrats will.

[CountAllVotes]

31. FEINSTEIN is OUT in my book

The day she voted YES on that REAL ID thing. I wrote her (and BOXER too!) that if she voted yes on this, I would NEVER vote for her again and that goes for BOXER too. To hell with both of these two sell-outs. Neither have a clue :wtf: democracracy is! :grr:

:kick:

[siliconefreak]

32. Keep her!

The vast majority of the time, Feinstein shares our views. A Democratic challenger would be ridiculous.

She received a 100% rating from Americans for Democratic Action:

http://www.adaction.org/ADATodayVR2004.pdf

I'm glad she's our Senator. If she runs, she will win.

[Panda1]

34. Well said.

Thank you.
There are plenty of rotten Cheap Labor Conservatives to oust.

[MaryBear]

33. Go after Republicans!

Diane and Boxer together have a lot of clout for California. To go after Diane is destructive to larger Democratic goals.

[Panda1]

35. Exactly.

Agreed. I'm glad to see others on the same page. :)

We have to go after the TheoCon-artists first.

[ronnykmarshall]

37. I'll second that.

For all her faults, I'll stick with Dianne and go after knocking off the GOP seats.

[Cascadian]

68. Feinstein is already destructive to larger Democratic goals.

Especially when you throw your support to laws that only hurt the little people. No. Feinstein has betrayed the Democratic Party too much and therefore must be voted out in favor of another Democrat that is a fighter and holds true the core values of the Democratic Party. The divisions you see in the party are the result of one side that has sold itself out to the corporatists and the other side that is still fighting for the common people. Hopefully, the common folk will win in the end.

John

[yurbud]

38. my email to Feinstein: don't rubber stamp WMD liar

Sen. Feinstein,

Even though John Bolton may ultimately be confirmed, you need to represent the will of the California people and say no to having an ambassador at the UN who has open disrespect for the concerns of other countries and the UN itself, and much worse, asked intelligence analysts to lie about Cuba's WMD capability, much as others in the Bush administration did on Iraq to the detriment of the American people, Iraqis, and our reputation in the world.

Rather than rubber stamping Bush appointees, democrats in Congress should be voting on their merits and let the chips fall where they may. Your moderate republican colleagues might join you more often if you showed the courage and conviction to stand up for your core beliefs, but no one would risk the wrath of Karl Rove to throw in their lot with cowards and quislings.

If you continue to act in complicity with the Bush administration, there will be a powerful grassroots movement to replace you in the primaries that no amount of big business money will be able to overcome.

[MaryBear]

40. My version would say to her:

With Senator Boxer, you are doing good work for our state. Please vote no to having an ambassador at the UN who has shown open disrespect for the concerns of other countries and the UN itself, and much worse, asked intelligence analysts to lie about Cuba's WMD capability, much as others in the Bush administration did on Iraq to the detriment of the American people, Iraqis, and our reputation in the world. Don't give wild eyed leftists reason to oppose you when they need to focus on the real work of getting your Republican colleagues out of office.

[yurbud]

44. I hope you sent it to her too (address in post)

[e-mail]

[MaryBear]

45. Done through her website. (address in post)

http://feinstein.senate.gov/email.html

[laugle]

62. Great letter......you rock!!! n/t

[xxqqqzme]

42. OMG - NO

sent her this:

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO on bolton nomination. He is a disaster. Our world image is in the gutter; our reputation teetering on slut. We don't need a new pimp!

Think they'll understand it?

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. Haha. Good luck with that

She is the most popular politician in CA. Who could beat her?

[MisterP]

46. other posts notwithstanding, I think we should be permitted to do a little

activism within our OWN PARTY and not just lying back and accepting whomever the Powers that Be foist on us.

[MaryBear]

47. Agreed, and we should use our heads

when we do it.

[laugle]

50. Well it is nice to see

one person who seems to "get" my original post! We must be in the same age group. You live and learn plenty when you see how messed up our congress has become with this "lifer" mentality, that they can all keep there jobs even when they are not doing the job of the people who sent them there!

[laugle]

63. Well said..........AMEN!!!! n/t

[jamesinca]

48. Does Feinstein have any children?

I was recently going through some old articles and I found stuff about the Enron meetings here in California. Arnold went, and then there was a name that did not stand out till now, Martin Feinstein Chairman and CEO of Farmers Group Inc. This is from the May 17, 2001 meeting that was held in L.A.

[laugle]

51. When Feinstein's husband got a contract

in Iraq, she sold us out!!!!

[MaryBear]

52. I believe they are separate individuals

and his actions are not hers, and vice versa. Also, I think they have different last names?

[laugle]

54. Well I heard it from at least 50 different

people, including Radio hosts Bernie Ward and Ray Taliaferro. It seems to be common knowledge. Also, my point is his actions effect her. You know this if you are married. But that was just the last straw. There are many reasons why I no longer support her. No time write now to post all, but maybe later.

[laugle]

55. I forgot to add,

I believe her husbands last name is Blum.

[MaryBear]

59. I believe it is.

And although I don't support her, I do support the combo of her and Boxer and their clout.

[laugle]

60. Boxer is doing a fantastic job,

this is the kind of leadership and guts that Diane needs to show and I have been waiting to see. I guess my point is that 20 years from now, I don't want to see a bunch of Strom Thurmonds in the congress. What I call the "lifers" people who are constantly re-elected but don't really do the work of the people. The polls show that 60 of the country disapprove of congress. This is why I think the time is right to put up our best candidates and replace those who are not doing a good job for the people. Please note, that I was a long term supporter of Diane. I don't plan on voting for her this time, unless something changes. But, I have no doubt she will win again without my vote. But after voting 35 years now, I need to take a stand and not just keep the democrats afloat. And no I certainly don't want pubs in.

[EFerrari]

57. Oh, puhlease. Diane sent all us anti war protestors a shameful

letter in response. And then her husband's company built CentCom.:eyes:

[Doomsayer13]

53. if you can get pigs to fly, give me a call

until then, nobody's beating Dianne Feinstein.

[laugle]

61. I think Jackie Spier would be a good candidate!

But I think she is already running for state senator.

[mitchtv]

65. I love Jackie, hate Dianne, but Jackie is termlimited out

she will be running for Lt. Gov , or so I read on DU

[laugle]

64. Feinstein must goooooo!

She is now co-sponsoring the Patriot act. Does anyone know if Cindy Sheehan will run against her. We need suggestions for candidates.

[LeftyMom]

66. Let's focus on Arnie instead of fracturing the party in '06

If we had a safe Dem gov I might agree, because DiFi is useless at best, but the timing isn't right to take her on right now. (Unless Ahhnuld drops out and they run the usual rich right wing nut job with no brains and no chance in hell. Then maybe we can do it.) We need to conserve resources for:

-the governor's race in '06
-the '08 presidential race
-Barbara Boxer's reelection, if she gets a viable challenger and we have to put effort into that in '08. If the repigs have any strategic sense at all (and even though the CA variety are dumber than dirt nationally they're cunning and good at campaign strategy) they'll do that to keep California dems' money tied up and out of the presidential race.