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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 12:16 PM
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Poll question: Who here would vote third party before voting for Feinstein?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 12:19 PM
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1. I have before so I don't see a problem doing it next year
unless she makes a big improvement

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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 12:19 PM
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2. Missing option
Cast my vote as, "I would be willing to consider Feinstein depending on who are the other candidates." :thumbsup:
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 12:23 PM
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4. Everyone who is considering running is more liberal.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 02:29 PM
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6. Personally, I don't care much about "liberal" or "conservative"
I have seen liberal candidates for office that I could not support in any way. I have seen a few conservatives (as distinct from neo-cons) whom I have supported with a clear conscience. I do what I can to cast an informed vote, not one based on labels or affiliation.

Since I know little about Feinstein (I've lived in Washington State for more than 10 years, after all) and nothing about her challengers, I don't feel qualified to answer Aye to any of the poll choices.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 07:49 AM
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13. Who is 'considering' running?
:shrug:
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 02:39 PM
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23. Cindy Sheehan is considering it and PDA is floating Mike Farrell's name.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:28 AM
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29. When has Sheehan ever said that she was considering running for office?
:shrug:

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 12:20 PM
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3. Not from CA, but saw this this Morning, so FYI:
Edited on Thu Aug-25-05 12:20 PM by Totally Committed
On High Court Vote, Centrist Democrats Caught in Middle
Roberts is qualified and likely to be confirmed, but they worry about the judiciary's direction.

By Maura Reynolds, Times Staff Writer

Excerpt:

One of those caught in the middle is California's Dianne Feinstein, the only woman on the Senate Judiciary Committee. In a speech Wednesday to the Los Angeles County Bar Assn., she said that her vote would take into account concerns about the direction of the court.

"The court's rulings have both shaped and reflected the will and culture of this nation in ways that are everlasting and profound," she told the audience at the Millennium Biltmore Hotel, listing racial integration, civil rights and personal privacy as examples. "In its role as the final arbiter, setting standards for all other federal courts, and being able to overrule past precedent, the Supreme Court holds a unique position."

>snip<

But for those Democrats who have staked out centrist positions, the decision is more delicate. Some, especially those in Republican-dominated states, are under pressure from constituents who like the reserved, soft-spoken nominee and argue that the president's reelection gives him the right to name whomever he likes.

Others who, like Feinstein, face reelection next year, worry about a backlash from more liberal constituents if they vote to confirm Roberts and he emerges as a force on the conservative side of the court.

Article:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-roberts25aug25,1,2452755.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:17 AM
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8. This line says it all
"Others who, like Feinstein, face reelection next year, worry about a backlash from more liberal constituents..."

I guess she should have thought about that before pandering to the DLC and the corporatists.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:47 PM
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10. Yes! The time to let DiFi know we are not happy is now!
I will not be casting any further votes for DiFi. She went a bridge way too far to the right that was covered in dross by the DLC.
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Oerdin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:52 AM
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24. It really does get tiring
To hear the constant whining about the DLC by the extreme left of our party. Some of you seem to forget the far left can't win a much of anything in 90% plous of the the country and the only reason we've had a democratic president since 1980 is because the DLC forced the party center. Hell, Bill Clinton himself was behind the making of the DLC so prominent because he knew the PETA types were a drag on the party nationally. The DLC was Clinton's choosen vehicle to move the party back to the center which won us two elections and narrowly lost two others. If the last two candidates had been more convincing as centrists we would have won those as well.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:40 AM
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25. No the DLC is note "moderate", it is "corporate".
No, the DLC didn't force the party center. The DLC forced the party CORPORATE! The DLC is trying to masquerade as being the "moderate" part of the party. Just because someone sees that the DLC doesn't represent PEOPLE's interests doesn't make them the "extreme left". The DLC has been used to keep the corporation's interests guiding each of the parties agenda, even if it conflicts with those of that party's constituency. Extreme left wing Dems, left leaning Dems, and moderate Dems can all have a catastrophe that can make them bankrupt (witness Katrina as an example), but these DLC people voted for our bankruptcy bill into effect against their interests. Why? Because corporations like the credit card companies wanted their tools like Biden to do so. These DLC congress critters were doing the corporations' bidding (NOT "moderate" voter bidding) in helping pass that bill.

The mixed messages that voting like that sends to the constituency of the Dems is what keeps so many from voting for our party. Rethugs at least are consistent with helping the elites (who overlap with corporate interests, because they are the ones behind corporate money anyway), and they are consistent in pushing RW fundie legislation, since the corporations don't care as much for the effects of what that sort of social legislation on them. What many core democrats want (whether it is liberal or moderate) is an alternative to corporate control over media, politicians, etc. and that IS a threat to them. That is why they want to keep wielding this DLC arm to control us, and as long as we accept that control even partially, that is what keeps many voters away from us. They don't know what the real message of the Dems are with the DLC corruption in place.

Get rid of the DLC, and get back to having a big tent that represents PEOPLE of both the left and moderate viewpoints! Have our party be accountable to PEOPLE and not corporations!

Clinton won his elections more because of his own personal attributes, not because of the DLC. A lot of the "corporate" DLC agenda didn't really take hold when he was elected anyway, at least not in the first election. What is obvious is that the Dems, with DLC control over the last few elections have been losing because of this split. The DLC is a cancer that must be removed for them to appeal to the liberals and the moderates and isolate the right wing and corporate types in the Republican Party.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 01:54 PM
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5. If Medea Benjamin ran for the Greens again...
I might vote for her AGAIN! Didn't like Feinstein in 2000, and still don't like her in 2006. The only way I'll vote for Feinstein is if I see a real threat might win from the Rethugs if she doesn't get a vote. I will look for someone else decent and viable in the primaries.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 12:21 PM
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9. I would vote for anyone before voting for Medea Benjamin
let's just say she's not my favorite politician in the world

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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 03:58 PM
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18. She's a jerk. However, she's better on the issues than Feinstein
Edited on Thu Sep-01-05 03:58 PM by genius
I still remember her using the 2001 counter-inaugural to attack Al Gore and an anti-Bush rally to attack Gray Davis. She's done good work since then, and my objections are to her tactics. I think she may have learned since 2001. She backed Dennis Kucinich for President and he's a DEMOCRAT.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:27 PM
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21. Why? I wrote her a letter begging her to run against Feinstein
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-05 10:43 PM
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7. no Feinstein
John Kerry was the LAST vote I will ever cast for anyone who was stupid enough to give Bush war powers. Aside from the idiocy of this war, the Constitution allows that only the Congress can declare war.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:35 PM
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17. welcome to DU!
:hi:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:27 PM
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11. Voting fior DiFi, you got to be kidding me
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:42 AM
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12. Nominating Feinstein is a losing proposition. We need someone
people like.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 08:10 AM
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14. How does someone who people do not like keep getting reelected
time and time again? :shrug:
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 04:59 PM
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26. Because many people want to stay with her
because they think she is a safe bet. I say get rid of her now or risk having the same old shity congress or worse than we have now.

Why the hell can't we find better candidates to run against bad ones in the democratic party? Damn the pubs do it all the time.

The party had better get it together soon or we are doomed. A third party candidate would be a great equalizer in the congress to the lousy 2 party system, but people keep staying with the same old.

Remember, THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY is; doing the same thing again, but expecting different results....

Dump her now!!!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 03:18 PM
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33. Third party systems lead to the fun that is going in in Germany right now
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 12:16 PM
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15. I won't vote for her
She's let us down too many times, and we gain NOTHING by having her in that seat. I'd rather hand the seat to a Thug for a term to send the party a message than put up with this any longer. We've blindly kept Feinstein in that seat out of fear for far too long already.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 12:05 AM
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22. No way I will vote for Diane Frankenstein again,
Nor would I vote for John Kerry, if he were the nominee again...which I don't see happening.

Wake up dems, you can't keep voting for lousy people just because they are dems. We all know this congress on both sides is corrupt as hell. How long are you going to let it go on??

The best thing, is to put up democratic alternatives. At best you will at least LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THEIR BUTTS!! Feinstein thinks she's safe....lite that fire now!!!
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-05 01:13 PM
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16. Depends
If it's close between Feinstein and a rethug, then voting third party is a vote to keep Bill Frist as majority leader and in charge of the Senate. When you vote, you don't just vote for the person whose name is on the ballot; you vote for the whole coterie that comes along with them.
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FrannyD Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-05 11:31 PM
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19. Definitely not voting for her
I'm pissed off at myself that I did before. Live and Learn.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:01 AM
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20. If I want a republican in office, I'll vote for a real one this time. n/t
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-05 06:50 PM
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27. never
I will never vote for her again. I'll vote repub, green, or not vote for senator.
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political_invader Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 02:02 AM
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28. A vote for Feinstein
Has been a wasted vote IMHO. As her voting record shows. The problem with voting her out with someone else we lose her tenure on comities
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:52 PM
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30. Sorry. I can't stand to see another Republican in office.
I'll grudgingly vote for Feinstein.
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:32 AM
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31. Agreed. n/t
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-23-05 10:38 AM
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32. Even though she's coming out against Roberts
She's a republican to me. Couldn't vote for her ever again.
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