How to vote on PROP 80? Seems to be confusing, some good, some bad?

[evolvenow]

I would appreciate your thoughts? Move-on says "yes". Some seem to be neutral, is it better to leave blank?

[fleabert]

1. SN&R says No, because

"prop 80 is a well intentioned measuer that would change how electricity utilities in CA are regulated. (but)..."this initiative took some good ideas too far." and ..."would cause more problems than it solves."

[yurbud]

3. What is SN & R? How can you go too far on re-reg and renewables?

frankly, anything short of putting Ken Lay's nuts in a vice isn't far enough.

The economic damage let alone paving the way for Arnold these energy trader assholes did is reason enough to put electricity back in public hands, and if we had any kind of a justice system those guys would be locked up in regular ass-rape prison on RICO charges.

[fleabert]

5. Sacramento News and Review, our local free liberal paper.

no on everything except prop 78 is their rec.

I just moved to CA last year, so I don't know much about all this, I have been reading this paper since I moved here and trust their rec.

[yurbud]

6. 78 is the one written by the pharma lobby to counter 79

It's VOLUNTARY drug discounts from big pharma. If they wanted to do that, they wouldn't need a ballot measure, and if they were already doing it, 79 wouldn't be necessary.

You got a link to this paper?

[fleabert]

10. nope, it's sitting on my desk, and I misspoke, they have a no for 78 and

yes for 79. Sorry 'bout that.

google sn&r sacramento

[Moochy]

2. Turn.org - backers of 80

Check out the website of the people behind it.

http://turn.org/

How will Proposition 80 change existing law?
Proposition 80 repeals key provisions of the disastrous AB 1890 deregulation experiment.


Proposition 80 explicitly restores PG&E, SCE and SDG&E's obligation to serve California consumers.


Proposition 80 prevents imposition of mandatory time of day pricing on small businesses and residential customers.


Proposition 80 preserves community choice aggregation while preventing new direct access by customers not already in the program.


Proposition 80 guarantees ratepayers "best value" whether regulated utility companies or independent generators build power plants.


Proposition 80 accelerates the state's 20% renewable energy requirement from 2017 to 2010.


Proposition 80 requires integrated resource planning, including first priority for cost-effective energy efficiency (This is current policy but not required by law)


Proposition 80 mandates uniform reserve margin requirements for all retail providers to ensure reliability and prevent blackouts (current policy but not required by law)

I'm leaning towards a YES on 80. I remember hearing from the TURN folks on a radio show and their argument sounded good, a year ago before this ballot initiative was finalized.

[yurbud]

7. the only thing I would add to 80 is ALL new generation from renewables

until we hit that goal at least.

It should really be flipped--20% old school dirty energy, 80% renewable.

[Moochy]

8. Yes, It's not as good as it could be

And I was prepared to vote against it. Having read who endorsed 80, I think it is a good start, and its one of those situations where I feel that perfect should not be the enemy of the good.

[yurbud]

11. ditto

[evolvenow]

15. I say Screw OIL, time4 free energy, biodiesel and acres o parabolic mirror

s.

Agree Yurbud.

We could absolutely be off OIL. There is no reason, esp. in CA, why SUN , and other renewals could not eventually be totally phased in...oooh, except for those psychopathic war criminals and their cabal o corps greedy for the blood of innocents and all those big dollars from raping the resources with war on you who to steal flippin 'oil.

Here is an alternative to 80:

How about the cabal gets indicted all together, locked up in the Hague and people go sustainable and stop with the hitting and killing already.

Just a suggestion.

Peopl always respond_ oh, you can't do that.Sure we could, that is why they killed Tesla and left him out of the history books...he had a rod you could stick in your backyard that...for FREE...would generate enough juice for the house. Unfortunately, JP MOrgan bankrupted him, and then he died in odd circumstances. So you know damn well, it worked just fine.

It is time to get off oil.

Thanks everyone for all of your thoughtful suggestions, and hey, maybe this time they might count some of the actual votes....now that would be evolution:)

[bananas]

4. First time that UCAN endorses a state initiative

UCAN is a consumers group with a very long history fighting the utility companies.

http://ucan.org/law_policy/prop80.html

UCAN ENDORSES PROPOSITION 80

First time that UCAN endorses a state initiative

<snip a good explanation of why - please read it! >
<snipping all the way to last paragraph for this link: >

The League of Women Voters has produced a useful independent analysis of this initiative. It can be found at: http://ca.lwv.org/lwvc/edfund/elections/2005nov/id/prop80.html

[Gormy Cuss]

9. Prop. 80 is trailing by a significant margin

27% in favor, as I recall.
I'm voting yes because the more support there is, the more likely the lily-livered pols in Sacramento will pay attention to this issue.

If it does win by some miracle, I can't imagine it would be any worse than the situation we have now. I trust TURN more than PG&E.

[bardgal]

12. I voted YES on 80.

[Joz]

13. Left it blank

I like some of the things, like forcing more renewable energy. But I don't like how companies/schools can't choose to use ESPs instead anymore.

[Coastie for Truth]

14. I voted against Prop 80

I am involved in implementation of alternative power sources for independents, for co-gen, for distributed gen, etc.

There are provisions of Prop 80 that could be used by the PUC (acting in bad faith, but perfectly legally) to severely limit small, independent suppliers (I'm thinking of solar) Assuring that access is critical to my biases and prejudices..