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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:22 PM
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"I will fight like a warrior for the people of California," Schwarzenegger
Schwarzenegger, Democrats face off over budget delay

TOM CHORNEAU, Associated Press Writer
Thursday, July 15, 2004


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(07-15) 19:36 PDT SACRAMENTO (AP) --

As much as he wanted to end what he's decried as the "annual summer slamfest" over the state budget, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger as much as declared Thursday that the fight is on -- accusing the Legislature's Democratic majority of holding out.

"I will fight like a warrior for the people of California," Schwarzenegger told reporters after negotiations broke down again amid much partisan bickering. "There is no one that can stop me. Anyone who pushes me around, I will push back -- including the Democrats and the special interests."

As a result, Schwarzenegger has scheduled an appearance in Southern California Friday to push what his office called his "bipartisan budget plan." The time and location were unannounced.

The tough talk came shortly after Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, D-Los Angeles, called Republican legislators the source of the obstruction in the budget talks and claimed his party had agreed with Republican governor on all spending-related issues in the budget.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/15/state2235EDT0236.DTL
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:27 PM
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1. Yeah, like swartzengroper "fought" enron for the
People of California? Somebody should stand up to B movie actor.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:28 PM
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2. SHUT UP, just SHUT UP!!!!!
You are the "WHORE" of Enron and you WILL screw Cali over you worthless swinebag that you are Arnie!

:grr:
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:29 PM
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3. *Groan!* Another actor-turned-politician like Reagan who thinks if he
reads the script enough times, he can will it into reality.

Arnold, face facts. You are uninformed because you don't like to read. Maria can't read everything to you that you need to know. Second, you can't bully until you get your way. You have to listen and negotiate. You won't always win, but then again, the other side won't always win too. Third, you are not Conan the Barbarian or the Terminator. They were movie roles. You are an elected official. Use your own abilities to get things done. This is the real world and you're stuck in it. Now get f---ing over it.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:37 PM
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4. Okay. Let's send him on a quest.
If he can travel the country on a horse with a scruffy child sidekick, chased by the mafia, democrats, and "special interests," finds the holy hand grenade of Antioch, a nice shrubbery, and the cure for cancer... then and only then can he be the true gubernator of Kahlifourneeaw.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:47 PM
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5. he is the bipartisan budget planinator..
Edited on Thu Jul-15-04 10:47 PM by frylock
where the FUCK does this jackhole think he is? One of his rowdy movie sets?! You wanna fight like a warrior, roido? Get on a fucking transport and go to Iraq.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:55 PM
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6. He went on to say:
"I will crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and hear the lamentation of their women. That is good (for California)."
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-04 02:27 PM
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15. Too Biblical for me
And I have news for him - a whole lot of his enemies ARE women!
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 11:27 PM
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7. Did I hear recently that Arnold decided not to run a second
term???? :evilgrin:

I HATED that we voted him in. I got into so much trouble barking at idiots who supported him. It took us a long time to calm down.

Today, we see the "cuts" just a rollin' down hill to our communities because of him.... thanks Mr. Hollywood!!

HOWEVER, there is one tiny little thing I learned recently that I find pleasing *cough*...(I can't believe I'm saying this...)

Schwartzenwatzit is against so many prisons and prison funding!! I learned through a prison activist group that Davis was a horrible supporter of the prison guard unions and more prisons. He felt like we could just throw people into jail and toss away the key...good riddance. Arnold is making moves to reduce the populations in state prisons and reduce the inflated budgest of same. Weeeeee

I don't know if Ahnold will get his way in this area but I applaud the attempt. We run our prison systems like the ones in Iraq! People addicted to drugs or mental or simply too poor to get a fair trial just get "warehoused" in prison. It's insane.

I got much of this info from: http://www.prisons.org
California Prison Focus
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 09:10 PM
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8. Can't stand him either
and I alienated my share over his "election" (aka: Davis's defeat) at work too. But I'm taking issue with your claim that "People addicted to drugs or mental or simply too poor to get a fair trial just get "warehoused" in prison."

There are lots of chances for people who get popped for felony drug possession to not even get a conviction. "Drug Court" is a widely available option that is first and foremost looking for a non-prison alternative to drug use. It's codified in Penal Code section 1000 et seq.. However, if u bother to read it there are a bunch of caveats for people who are either deemed too lackadaisical to complete the program, reoffend while in the programe, or whose dope crimes are deemed quite a bit more serious per the legislature.

Sexually violent predators and mentally disordered offenders are also kept in secure facilities (like Atascadero and Napa St.)after their sentence for a crime is up, if a jury decides that they are "likely to reoffend if released". Those mental types are not kept in prison after they're diagnosed.

There may be some instances where people are railroaded into prison but my experience, as a Deputy DA for 10 years, is that people we send to prison are seriously bad people who either commit atrocious crimes, or don't get it after being given multiple chances and I-warned-you-sos.

BTW, I know and have known a lot of public defenders. They, in my experience, do their jobs in a very professional yet adversarial manner and generally know criminal law better, and the venue they're operating in, than most "hired guns". Basically, they've made me prove every case I've won "beyond all doubt", which as you may know is a substantially higher burden-of-proof than I'm required to under the law. In short, they've fought like tigers even though they're (like myself) not paid that much compared to other attorneys with an equal amount of experience in the private sector.

Just a few thoughts from the inside. BTW, "3 strikes" is going to be on the ballot in November for amendment so you'll get a chance to express your opinion then and I think it will have a real impact on the problem of california prison populations.

Gyre
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:13 PM
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9. TOTALLY WRONG MY DEAR.....
As it so happens, my family has had nothing but trouble with the courts. My oldest daughter is serving FIVE (5)YEARS for a drug offense. The Judge called her (and it's written in the record) the Anti Christ of Prop 36!! He gave her ONE (1) TRY at drug deferment for a lousy six weeks--even Oxycontin Rush got better treatment. She got ZERO (0) Mental Health help in this county...................NO FUNDS not even under precious welfare cutting bastard Clinton!! The public defender used to be my lawyer; he changed. I'm sure there are wonderful people in the legal system somewhere but they are not everywhere and PEOPLE DO GET RAILROADED.

You are right about 3 strikes...it is a scam and needs to be revoked. But puleassssssssssssse don't give me any nonsense about what goes on inside a prison unless you've spent some years in there your self!!! Oh, wait.....you are a DA........YOU ARE ONE OF "THEM". I no longer have any respect for people in your profession--never there when common people DO need help, only there to throw the book at someone who is down on their luck. You should be ashamed of yourself!!!

If YOU look up the NAMI and the National Mental Health Alliance, you would SEE and READ that people with Bi polar disorders and mood disorders and various other "TREATABLE" disorders ARE WAREHOUSED for minor offenses when they aren't medicated BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GET THE BENEFITS OF A SINCERE MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM OUTSIDE!! The FACTS are there.

I have suffered untold sorrows dealing with this for 37 YEARS!! You do NOT know what the bloody hell you are talking about. You quote some dumbshit Penal stats that don't relate on whit to what I'm saying... I'VE LIVED THE GD NIGHTMARE OF OUR COURT AND PENAL SYSTEMS, not to mention the hell of getting any help from the social system!

Did you bother to look at the link I provided????????????????????????????????

I'm NOT saying that criminals should not be punished. I was just stating that prisons are a money making operation, they are overcrowded unnecessarily, they are unnecessarily cruel, the courts and the laws are unjust. The punishment in many many instances does NOT FIT THE CRIME. We do have a huge tendency to just "ship 'em off" when we can't find any place or money or programs to put light weight offenders into. I could go on. I have plenty of data if you want it.

Find another Job or another attitude and THEN call yourself a Democrat.!! :grr:
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 10:00 AM
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12. Find another Job or another attitude and THEN call yourself a Democrat.!!
Sorry for your troubles.

BTW, I don't appreciate your judgements. Didn't realize that a person needs to have their profession cleared by you before they are allowed to be a registered democrat!

Gyre

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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 10:45 PM
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10. Some reading........
Below is the testimony of Corey Weinstein, MD, presented at the California State Legislature's hearing on women in prison, October 10, 2000:
Corey Weinstein, M.D.
San Francisco, CA 94114
Major Changes Required for CDoC Medical Services


During my 30 years of medical practice in California I have visited hundreds of prisoners in 13 of our State’s 33 prisons and reviewed thousands of prison medical charts. Since the tragic and unnecessary death in 1992 of a prisoner, Diana Cortes Reyes, I have conducted regular visits to the Central California Womens Facility in Chowchilla. During the recent class action legal challenge on behalf of women prisoners, Shumate v. Wilson, I served as medical consultant to the plaintiffs legal team doing monthly interviews at CCWF, one site visit to California Institution for Women and reviewed every medical record of the named plaintiffs and important cases.

My experience has made me well aware of the difficulties that prisoners in California continue to have in accessing adequate medical and psychiatric care. The California Department of Corrections has been resistant to any change whether mandated from without by the Courts or attempted from within through the dramatic expansion of CDoC medical executive and modernization of administration. Neither money, nor law nor reorganization has been able to effect the changes necessary to establish baseline adequate care in our prisons. The result is suffering and needless death and disability for the prisoners, and demoralization and patient blaming by the staff.

I want to emphasize that merely tinkering with the present disaster whether by Court order, internal rearrangement or quiet backroom deals between well meaning attorneys, CDoC leadership and the Federal Court is not enough. A major restructuring is required. The present medical leadership of CDoC has been compromised in many ways and cannot earn back the trust of the prisoners or the community. For example, how can the Department retain those responsible for the failure to develop a plan of quality assurance for the BCL Lab that falsified thousands of test results, and then for four years failed to review one single prisoner’s file until the SF Chronicle reported on the scandal. In any other industry those responsible would have been fired. There are even serious allegations from ten whistleblowers that the CDoC central office arranged for their staff to tamper with medical records to fake compliance with the Settlement Agreement in the Shumate case.
As a Correctional Officer described to me during a visit to CCWF, within the CDoC the staff do not trust or communicate well with each other. Medical, custody and administration are at each other’s throats all the time. It is a dysfunctional workforce that often degenerates into the culture of alliances and enemies. The staff who want to deliver good care are frequently labeled and harassed as “inmate lovers.” Many prison employees agree on only one thing -as the guard’s union trumpets so often- that the main enemies are the prisoners and their families, visitors and supporters (and some members of this esteemed panel).
.............more
http://www.prisons.org/Legislative.htm

Just a sample. More info at the main website.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 11:04 PM
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11. Some more reading.............
http://mentalhealthsummit.uchicago.edu/criminal_justice/

The Problem:

Illinois has long had a Department of Mental Health (now called the Office of Mental Health or OMH) which by law has the responsibility for operating all of the state psychiatric hospitals and for funding and regulating the community mental health system. OMH has a great deal of experience and expertise in operating a mental health system. Unfortunately, there are now large numbers of persons with mental illness in our state prisons operated by the Department of Corrections (DOC). Indeed, there are approximately 6,000 persons with mental illness in our state prisons. This number exceeds the total number of persons in all public and private psychiatric hospitals in Illinois.

There is a substantial flow of persons back and forth between the OMH operated and funded system and the DOC system. That is because the average length of stay for inmates in prisons is quite short–1.3 years for prisoners released in FY 2001. There are also more than 31,000 adults on parole in Illinois. At least 4,500 of these are persons with mental illness, many of whom desperately need community mental health services. Similarly, many people discharged from state hospitals end up in state prisons, often due to behaviors that are the result of untreated mental illnesses. Mental illness goes untreated because we do not have sufficient community mental health services.


Just another sample........it's out there if you care.

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captnjaq Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 10:59 AM
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13. Gubbanah Girlie Man
Hello everyone,

I've written the following open letter to the Daily News of Glendale/Burbank, they have not published it (yet). If anyone wants to write to their own papers and use my letter as a source, please feel free. If I can't get it printed, maybe someone else can! Basically, this whole girlie man outrage is terribly misplaced, and there's so much more to criticize the man about, I say we stop spinning our wheels.



Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,

It's a shame that you are getting such a hard time from those crazed liberals who found your "girlie men" comments offensive. I certainly didn't, it's quite normal for strong men to question the power of others who stand up for what they believe in despite their subordinate positions.

But Mr. Governor, with all due respect, you have yet to properly address your hush-hush meeting with Kenneth Lay and Michael Milken on May 17, 2001. Nor have you acknowledged your scuttling of the lawsuit filed under Civil Code provision 17200, the "Unfair Business Practices Act," which would have required Enron and other energy companies to pay back up to $9 billion to the state of California, a suit which coincidentally needed only the support of whomever held the office of Governor in order to go forward. (http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=282&row=1) This suit certainly would have made a serious dent in the budget deficit, am I wrong? Shall I continue to assume that these two events are connected, or is there another side to the story?

I hope you understand that until you have the courage to answer questions regarding these odd circumstances, I shall have no choice but to refer to you as Governor Girlie Man.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-04 07:15 PM
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16. Hi captnjaq!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 01:53 PM
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14. About the prisons...
In the last couple of days, I heard on NPR that a judge said that Arnold had made a deal with the prison guard unions that will make it difficult to reform prisons.

Arnold had promised not to kow-tow to the prison guard union, but he made this deal because he wanted to be able to brag that he got a budget on time.

I think the deal he made with the Indian casinos on gambling revenue is also being criticized as not as good as Arnold said it was.
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